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11-06-2004 10:57 PM  13 years agoPost 1
tskg2

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Guys- when I got back into heli's about 5 years ago- my supplier up in Auckland got me started on Cool Power- and I've used it ever since. Runs well, no problems with performance for me. I know about keeping the fuel/oil out of the sun- what I'm talking about here is a problem with the oil prior to mixing.

About 4 years ago, we started mixing our own fuel here in town- and we got the CP oil from my man in Auckland. I did several mixes, not a prob. Then-

about 2 years ago (give or take) a batch of oil came to me that was off in color- not the deep blue I was used to. Pale- with a touch of red- so it mixed to a semi-attractive pale Lavender. I talked to my supplier about this- he said not to worry- works fine.
This thin color has now been happening everytime since then. And a batch I made 3 months ago was WAY too thin in color!

Before ordering the oil for the mix I need to do now- I told my guy to get me some of the "Cool Power powder dye" that I have heard other flyers use to color their fuel darker. My supplier said- Not to worry- color sorted now- no dye needed.

I've now opened the box, to find now that the oil is an interesting blue-green- teal color. And the color is kinda thin, so when mixed with 4/5 other clear liquids- it'll go rather pale. I have told my man I am less than pleased, and have asked him to get the New Zealand importer of the Cool Power range in touch with me, so I can ask some questions directly.

Make no mistake- my supplier is a great, VERY knowledgeable guy- and he always helps us heli guys. But I think he's in the middle here.

The oil I use is Cool Power Synthetic Lubricant Engine oil, Friction Modifier CP-14

So- for all you guys out there that are more knowledgeable about Cool Power than me:

What color is yours? has it always been the color it is now?
Has there been an on-going production problem with CP and the dyes they used?
Is the dye put in at production, or locally, by the distributor?


NOT a slam on Cool Power at all- the fuel always runs well for me, and they are very supportive og the heli community. But this lack of consistancy in one important area- the ability to see the fuel in the tank- I have a problem with. I haven't spotted any emails about any production problems- so I need to get a hand on what is happening here.
All help appreciated.

Thanks- G2

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11-06-2004 11:21 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Darksider

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does it keep burning well consistently?? if it does i wouldn't give the colour a second thought, if your really concerned about running out of fuel in flight get a friend to time you through the most demanding flight that'd suck down the fuel quickest, then remove 30 seconds from that time and set your transmitter timer to alert you.

Gareth

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11-06-2004 11:25 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Ted Toth

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Here in the states my CP High Performance Heli 30%
is pink which can darken with age
the 30 to 40% planker fuel is teal green

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11-07-2004 12:28 AM  13 years agoPost 4
tskg2

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Good so far, but need more
Thanks guys for the help.

I'm certainly not a big 3d flyer, and can certainly eyeball my tank- but I like to see what is in there, ya know?

And what I am talking about here is the Oil- not a premix. Cheaper to mix your own- at least it is over here.

Keep 'em coming- all help appreciated!

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11-07-2004 12:46 AM  13 years agoPost 5
docloc

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I saw the bottle of CP synth oil at hobby store. It was a blue green color. I was using CP 15% and wanted to up the oil from 17% . I decided to go with Wildcat fuel instead. It's only 18%, but OS recomends at least 18 for their engine. It runs really sweet and lots of power.DOC

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11-07-2004 05:06 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Saint728

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Cool Power High Viscosity Synthetic oil is blue/green in color. Cool Power Low Viscosity Synthetic oil is pink in color. Cool Power just started to offer the LV Synthetic oil to us in Australia about 6 months ago. It used to be only avalible in their pre-mixed Cool Power 30% Heli mix. You can buy the LV oil buy the case or in a gallon if your LHS sells it? I'm not sure how long it's been available in the States for?


LV Synthetic oil shown

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11-07-2004 08:31 AM  13 years agoPost 7
tskg2

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Blue Green, huh??
OK, good to get some confirmation about the color, thanks guys.

But why the changes in color- from 2 years ago to now?
And why was the color so cr*p for so long?

Really want to hear from Cool Power/Morgan about this. Have checked their site again today- and the site is still less than illuminating. It would be nice if they actually had a page that showed each product, it's uses, etc.
They do mention "Home Brew", but no details on the types of oil they offer. Odd.

Thanks again- and still open to more helpful advice and info.

G2

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11-07-2004 09:47 AM  13 years agoPost 8
teamjrpilot

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I believe i have the answer for you.

Coolpower HV Oil was always dyed blue. They used to use blue fuel dye. Blue dye natuarally fades in sunlight and sometimes turns pink.

I like many hated that. Coolpower has now experimented with using a violet dye in a light shade to keep the blue look that wont fade but it hasn't really worked. Hence the new change.

See chemically if you use the blue dye on its own it will fade. However if you use two colors to make the blue color or similar - it wont.

Besides i wouldn't be concerned about the color, it has nothing to do with the oil or its performance, it purely distinguishes what it is as the oil is naturally clear before dying.

If you wish to make your fuel a stonger color, simply contact your local dye merchant or broker and ask them to send a voilet and blue solvent dye out to you. The blue will eventually fade the violet wont. Just a few specles is enough to really change the color of fuel so the sample they send will last forever.

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11-07-2004 06:02 PM  13 years agoPost 9
tskg2

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Makes sense
Team- thanks for your thoughts on this strange problem. It looks like we've both seen the same changes over the past 2 years or so. The CP HAS gone from deep Blue, to Lavender, and is now supposedly Teal green.

And yes- the color doesn't make it perform any better.

However- color (for some like me) IS a feature of this product. And if the color changes- and not for the better- THAT is a concern. And has been for the past 2 years.

If the folks that make Coca Cola were to start making the drink in a paler color, or a color that was more reddish- people would ask questions about it. That's what is happening now for me.

I just want some straight answers from CP New Zealand about this.

I certainly can add dye to the oil- but why should I solve a problem like that?

Appreciate your time!!

G2

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11-09-2004 04:58 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Jason WAI

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Why should we add dye to the oil ? just wonder what's for ?

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11-09-2004 05:40 AM  13 years agoPost 11
docloc

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To see it in the tank from a distance. So you can land before the tank is empty and............

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11-09-2004 11:21 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Jason WAI

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Isn't the existing colour of cool power good enough to see in distance ?

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11-10-2004 04:49 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Jason WAI

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mixed 15% and 30%
intersted to know more...... mix 15% and 30% , will it be more powerful ? Definitely, it may save money as 15% is cheaper than 30%

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11-10-2004 04:51 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Jason WAI

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believe that in Japan they don't use any dye at all, therefore the fuel is almost clear
is it cosmo fuel ?

I thought cool power only had standard color for 15% and 30%.

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11-10-2004 11:04 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Saint728

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I thought cool power only had standard color for 15% and 30%
The only Cool Power that's a different color is 30% Heli Mix because it has LV oil in it. Here is the list of Cool Power fuels offered from their web site. http://www.morganfuel.com/coolpower.htm

FAI - 17% High Viscosity Lube

5% - 17% High Viscosity Lube

10% - 17% High Viscosity Lube

15% - 17% High Viscosity Lube

25% - 17% High Viscosity Lube

40% - 17% High Viscosity Lube

15% HELICOPTER - 17% High Viscosity Lube

20% HELICOPTER - 20% High Viscosity Lube

30% HELICOPTER - 22% Lower viscosity Lube

JET 7% - 20% High Viscosity Lube

JET 12.5% - 20% High Viscosity Lube

4 - CYCLE 17% Castor/ High Viscosity Synthetic

20% - 30% - 40% PRO-PATTERN - 20% High Viscosity Lube

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

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11-11-2004 01:17 AM  13 years agoPost 16
Jason WAI

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thanks, Saint728

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11-11-2004 01:18 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Jason WAI

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Here at sea level when using 30% you need to shim the engine.
shim which part ?

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11-11-2004 11:16 AM  13 years agoPost 18
donlynn

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Gidday

I found similar to you down here in chch, it's bound to all have come via the same boat, ~ 2yrs ago blue that was tricky to see ~ 6 months almost purple that faded easier and my last bottle pale blue that holds it's colour best.
I recently fitted a $2 shop hat over my field fuel jug to shield the sun off the fuel dye and it works very well, now I see my fuel level.
I did run klotz for a few bottles as it's red so faster and the older cp blue gave my eyes hell (like a spoonfull of custard in my eyes) if I got a good dose of smoke, I've gone back to cp blus as kloz supply was short and it seems way less aggresive.
I run ~16%cp blue and ~7% nitro, a click rich.

Regards Don

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11-11-2004 11:35 PM  13 years agoPost 19
tskg2

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Not just me
Don- thanks for this- guess it's not just a problem on the North Island, huh? I use a red plastic petrol jug for my mix, seems to work just fine.
I run on 20% oil, 10 nitro- easier for me to get the numbers right !

I'm just getting frustrated now about this stupid thing. One week ago I asked to be give the name of the NZ importer- still haven't recieved it.
5 days ago, I sent an email to Mogan Fuel in the US about this, requesting some information about this- no reply.
4 days ago, I asked another person for the NZ importer- nada.

If the color wasn't that important- and can be changed/altered without passing along info to the users- then WHY color it?

I'm getting close to 'cutting your nose off to spite your face" country now. Not smart, I guess, but I've rarely been accused of being too smart. But geez- I'm a consumer of their product- and would like some answers to some pretty clear questions.
Too much to ask? I know Morgan is a good sized company, but why bother with a "contact us" link on their website- if they don't?

Still not certain what to do- (1) stay stubborn, hold off on mixing the 2 jugs I have in hand now until I get some answers- which means no flying (2) shift to Klotz-but are there any other choices? (3) Use this green stuff- and continue to be pissed that no one from CP would talk to little old me and maybe find more color problems in the future, like in the past (4) Say F*ck it- and get out

Well- 1 maybe, 2 maybe, 3 don't want too, 4 really don't want to.

Sheesh.


Keep in touch- us NZ fliers are a great bunch!

Thanks again- G2

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11-12-2004 12:41 AM  13 years agoPost 20
shuttlepilot

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Mullins, South Carolina

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I've run Coolpower 20% in the past and it was dark green. I'm mixing my own now with their oil, and my mix of 16% oil no nitro turns out very pale compared to the Coolpower fuel that you buy from the LHS. The people at Morgan Fuels told me that it was the same oil that was used in their heli mix. I would like for it to be darker, but I can't see my main fuel tank anyway. I just fly by on occasion and look really hard at the header to check the fuel level.

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