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11-05-2004 03:41 PM  13 years agoPost 1
lasnubes

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Tampa, FL

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Hi All:

I am a sport flyer, mostly F3C style, loops, rolls, stall turns with 540s, some flipping- but a lot of scale type flight and precision hovering/pirouettes.

I am confused by all the electrics. For nitro I fly a Robbe Cuatro and TT Raptor 50 V2.

I want something big enough to handle some wind, but small enough where I don't go broke buying LiPOs. Something where I can charge and fly without a lot of constant fiddling. Something that could be an almost daily flyer. Something that is easy to fix and has parts/upgrades available.

I fly Robbe so I was set on the Eolo, but now I am finding out there are a LOT of Zoom fans. Is there another heli I should consider? I do not want something tiny (HBird is too small??) because most of my flying will be out on the golf course after dinner to relax and unwind. Therefore some wind capcbility is a must. Logo 10 or 14?

I realize I am asking for an opinion and everyone has one. I do not want to upset anyone or start a flame war, but please- if you have the inclination- provide me your opinion, the reasons you feel the way you do, and any specific advise you would care to share. I have searched for this topic and cannot find a COMPREHENSIVE article/post that fits my quandry. Perhaps the end result can help others as well.

Please write supporting your choice, not deriding someone elses.

Thank you for your time!

Carl

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11-05-2004 04:21 PM  13 years agoPost 2
MikeC

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Mosinee, WI

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I fly a Shogun 400 with Himax brushless 2025-4200 motor and I love it. I'd like to get something bigger later, possibly a Logo 10. My Shogun handles wind almost as well as my Sceadu EVO 50. I'd like to get into a 50 size electric (maybe convert the EVO) but the costs are astronomical, hence the Logo 10 option.


Regards,

Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

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11-06-2004 02:47 AM  13 years agoPost 3
sailmike

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Northridge, California, USA

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Sounds like the Logo 10 would be perfect for you. It uses 500-515mm blades, a bit smaller than a Raptor 30. There seems to be lot of Logo 10 fans on this forum and so a lot of support. A 4s4p lipo pack shouldn't break the bank.

I have a Zoom, Logo 14, and Joker. Of the three I like the Logo 14 best. It is the same size as a Raptor 30, so you can use the same blades. It can also be upgraded to a Logo 20 by getting a longer boom. The Logo 14 comes with an autorotating tail, and the 10 does not. Another difference is the 14 comes with carbon frames, though, there is a carbon version of the 10 now. The 14 uses 5s4p packs and I have four so that I can use two of them in the Joker. I've heard that the 10 has limited battery space, but the 14 has plenty.

I've never flown the 10, so I don't how well it behaves in the wind. The 14 is not effected by wind much.

I never charge the batteries at the field. The four lipo packs give me plenty of flight time on the 14. In fact, I usually only use two of them on the 14. They take at least 1 1/2 hours to charge. Nicads charge faster, but give you much less flight time, 5-10 minutes vs 20+ for lipos depending on your flying style. You could get two packs and charge them at home and that should give you enough flight time to satisfy.

Hope this helps,
Mike

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11-06-2004 10:37 AM  13 years agoPost 4
rscamp

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Ontario, Canada

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I concur that the Logo 10, 14, 20 or 24 is good for you. These are quality helis that are well designed and fly well out of the box. The only downsides are parts cost and parts availability. This can be addressed somewhat by obtaining some spares or by keeping your heli from hitting the ground

People also generally like the Eolo but I have no experience with it. The Corona is great for beginners but beneath your capability. Getting the really small helis to fly well usually requires significant upgrades and they generally offer less performance per dollar.

I would recommend the Logo 10 as a good balance between performance and cost.

Rob

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11-06-2004 12:47 PM  13 years agoPost 5
nivlek

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Norfolk England

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The only electric heli that I have flown is the JR Voyager E which belongs to a club mate.It is fitted with the stock motor and controller
but he is using eight cell instead of the intended seven, so far this hasn't caused any problem.With a 2AH nicad pack flight times are limited to around four and a half minutes, but I was impressed with the quality of flight .I didn't attempt any aerobatics because it wasn't my heli and the owner hadn't set it up with much negative pitch as he doesn't do aerobatics yet.However, even with the stock motor the heli felt as if it would be capable of some mild aerobatics.Fitted with a brushless/lipo package I would think that it would be a great heli.

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11-06-2004 01:24 PM  13 years agoPost 6
lasnubes

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Tampa, FL

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Thank you and keep them coming! I am getting the feeling that the Logo 14 is the way to go. A bit more than I intended to spend, but more of the sort of heli I would enjoy. Sailmike, how much does a 5s4p pack run and what charger is the most upgradeable (for future technologies) for this sort of thing?

Again, thanks for your time and efforts!

Carl

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11-06-2004 01:45 PM  13 years agoPost 7
lasnubes

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Tampa, FL

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I just checked out the battery pack prices, ouch! I think I am back to Eolo or Zoom! ?????

Carl

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11-07-2004 12:09 AM  13 years agoPost 8
raptorbasher

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Bristol, England

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Hello Carl

Have just got to grips with a zoom 400 BL setup, and as I normally fly a raptor 50, and having some time on an old hornet, was expecting the zoom to be very skitty and twitchy, but was totally gobsmacked with how stable it is, almost to the point of a hands off hover. Very happy! a few easy mods out of the box, really just build issues but flight times are around 10 to 12 minutes on lipos. I have two packs, and they charge in an hour. its a lot of fun.

Only downside is the light weight make it a bit sensitive to the wind, but you will get used to it.

hearing reports that the t-rex handles the wind better due to its heavier weight, but that is probably at the expense of flight time.

The logo range look very well built but as you have seen, lipos are pricey for them.

hope you are happy with whatever you choose!

Cheers

Tim

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11-14-2004 12:47 AM  13 years agoPost 9
darrens

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United Kingdom

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Hi,
For Nitro I fly a Freya 90 X Spec but this model followed my Eolo. The Eolo began life as standard running on Nicads and having run times around 8 minutes. I have upgraded it lots since and now run a brushless/lipo set up. The lipos are the flightpower 8000mah and I get run times between 20 & 25 mins dependant on flying type. I love this machine. Its size makes it easy to take anywhere and the performance would now rival any 50 size heli for capability and spirited climb out. Check out the Eolo page on RR and you will see that this little heli is getting a serious following all over. I have not chosen the Zoom purely because of its size which in the UK would limit the flying time due to the wind we have. The Eolo appears happy in winds that you would associate with the limits of a 30 size heli, providing you have a quality servo on the tail instead of a micro servo.
Hope this helps your choosing!

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