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11-04-2004 07:00 PM  13 years agoPost 1
tommy

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On monday, I finaly have my new Fury Extreme working properly(electronic, mecanic and engine) Now my plan was to go out and fly whatever I wanted. From the time the fury was new and until now, my flying time was allways to check some thing out. To lean the engine from breaking in, ajusting the gyro, checking the tail-gears(who has stripped twice because of wrong greace and ajustment) so on and so on. Now finaly everything was working properly.

When I discover something wrong, and fix it, I have to get alot of flying-time to get my confidence back. F.ex. after the tail-gears stripped, I have checked the tail-mesh 3-4 times pr flight. And take the tail-box out at least once everytime I was out flying. There are 2 gallons since the tail-gear stripped, and the mesh has not changed since, so now I have got my confidence back regard the gears.

So what happends this monday, I tok some time off work(it is dark when I'm finnished working here in Norway), and took my Fury to the field. On my first start, the idle was not constant. It idles fine for 3 sek and then it revs slightly up and eighter shuts down, or goes back to normal idle. Changed the plug, but acts the same. Took it home, and found out that something had gotten in the carb(I can't see anything, but this is what I assume)

I took my YS91 off(why is that so difficult on the fury?), and clean the carb, all the nedles, and the regulator with compressed air. I started the heli in my backyard tonight, and it idles fine. (could not test other than idle, since my neighbours would complain) I have now installet another fuel-filter(had one allready), so now I have 2 fulters.

Likely the engine is fine now, but I will not be leaving 6 foot of the ground for the next 3-4 tanks, to be sure that there is nothing left in the carb.

I will not be confident about the chopper for 1-2 monts. And by then, probably another problem has arrived.

I just need to get my frustration out. I like to work on my chopper, but I hate when something is wrong, and I'm not sure I have fixed the problem, or if it comes back.

My first heli(Shuttle) lost the cannopy during an inverted manoeuvre. On my next chopper(Raptor) I tied the cannopy down with an obsession. Now I have rest a little about the cannopy, but when I landed my fury last week, both cannopy-screws was gone. Holding only on the grommets in the back(where there is no screws)

Do I need to see doctor about this, or are there anyone with the same problem as me

/Tommy

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11-04-2004 07:21 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Ringding

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The fury is too expensive for you, that's the real problem

I know what you are talking about but when flying my R50, I don't give it that much attention. I still hate crashing it but it's not as bad as crashing a fury.

EDIT: Just don't fly too close to you when you are not confident...

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11-04-2004 07:24 PM  13 years agoPost 3
greg

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I go fly 6 or 7 flights with my Raptors come home, clean them up ( a good post flight check happens during this time), and charge the batteries. Next time out same thing. Very few problems.

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11-04-2004 07:34 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Gary

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I love my Tempest, but I fly it the least. If it goes down it's not a cheap fix. So I just fly my Raptors and get the Tempest out at events.

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11-04-2004 07:45 PM  13 years agoPost 5
ZIGZAG

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Hi
Welcome to the wonderful world of helies
ZIGZAG

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11-04-2004 07:45 PM  13 years agoPost 6
mrNoodles

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Doctor wont help..

Get a 'not so expensive' heli to repair

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11-04-2004 08:24 PM  13 years agoPost 7
tommy

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I dont' think the cost of the fury is my problem. I had the same feeling about my raptor50.

I had this feeling for 6 month on the raptor also, and the last 2-3 monts I got confident. Maybe the fury will be reliable and have my confidence after 6 months. After I have found what parts to monitor, and what part to replace frequently even though it's not broken.

It bothers me, that there is always something wrong. I feel it is bad luck for me. The first fury-problem I had, was the TAIL TRANS. INPUT FEMALE-TORQUE TUBE(MA0800-7 - 1) in front of the tail-boom. This had a missing bolt throug it(manifacture fault), and caused me to loose the tail in hover, lucky I didn't crash.

There is always something wrong. I have many problems with hydra-lock when starting. First I noticed a spelling-error in the YS91 manual regarding ilde-needle setting. It got better, but after many weeks, I found another problem. I have mounted the MPII-header pointing upward, causing oil to flow from the pipe and into the engine. Now, when I know what caused the problem, I have no trouble starting.

BUT don't misunderstand me. I love flying, and love my fury. It flies 100 times better that the raptor. And I will never go back again. I can afford a crash with the fury, but don't want to crash. If you anderstand me. I had 3 crash in my flying-history, and eveyone of the was due to mecanical erorr, and not pilot error.

Maybe this is how it shoud be. I feel so high everytime I had a great day with my heli, so the largest cost is the downs, when something doesn't work, or of cause a crash. If I haven't had the downs, maybe the ups wouldn't be that high.

/Tommy

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11-04-2004 08:47 PM  13 years agoPost 8
maller

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Time for you to find a new hobby...



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11-04-2004 08:53 PM  13 years agoPost 9
rcnuts

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Millersville, Penna

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Dude, sometimes thats the way it goes. This hobby is complicated, if you dont like / get satisfaction from maintaining your machines.....well.........
Anyway, its not like that with all helis. It has something to do with the manufactorer, but that isnt always the case. By that I mean the same model heli (same motor and all) may be almost problem free for 1 guy and a big pain in the a$$ for someone else. DONT GIVE UP!! You are acomplishing a great deal just getting your model to hover. Do you belong to a club? There may be other guys in your area that can give you support when ya need it. Great luck to ya!!
Harris,

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11-04-2004 09:10 PM  13 years agoPost 10
mrNoodles

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Tommy
If it happends, it happends
Instead of worrying for all things that can happend - enjoy your nice heli.

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11-04-2004 09:33 PM  13 years agoPost 11
tommy

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I have neve had a hobby that gives me this much fun and adrenalin. So I definitively enjoy this hobby and will not trade if for anything.

Ask me again in the spring. My fury will then be 100%!!!!!!!!!!!

And mrNoodles: Thanks for the advise. I will think that way in the future.

/Tommy

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11-04-2004 09:39 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Helinut29

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Stick with it
You got to stick with it and take a deeeeeep breath when these problems occur and then get it back on the bench.I have set up a few helicopters in my time and some will go together perfectly without a hitch, where you never have to touch it again and some will drive you to drink . Thats when you have to tinker with it until its done so I feel your pain my friend Thats why you have to love it, because if you dont it can and will drive you bonker$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Good Luck
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Im back from the Dead :)

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11-04-2004 09:59 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Sceadu Abuser

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if it was easy would you still want to do it????

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11-04-2004 10:03 PM  13 years agoPost 14
iachia

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I hear you mate!
that's something really frustrating I've been experiencing myself with my milli 3...
I had any sort of troubles and everytime I was thinking I had sorted out all the problems something else would happen.
Anyway don't give up! I now can say my machine is nearly perfect. It takes time but when you get there there's really nothing that can make you feel better!
The downside in my case is that after so many hours spent looking for troubles on the model I can't stand it anymore even if it is now flying really good and so I'm thinking of selling it to try something else...
but again you'll be the happiest guy in town when you'll have your first trouble free flight after all your work!
keep it up and good luck!

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Synergy N9

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11-04-2004 10:18 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Rogue123

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Phoenix AZ

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@tommy
I have to Welcome to the would of MA. The good thing it gets you better @ Identifying youre problems. Like the screws, Try a touch of locktight Ther are others things, But if you hate the PM's. Then get a rappy, there easy and fun thats why I have one. I also have my Fubys too. More Power and smoooooooooooth. Easy No way, but fun when there running right

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11-05-2004 02:04 AM  13 years agoPost 16
Unbalanced

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I don't think its normal to go 3-4 flights just to get confidence that a tuning issue is licked. I'm prepared to hover and maybe fly around gently for say 1/2 tank and then I have the confidence to get back to normal. After a recent rebuild of my 50 I was back into the routine within the first tank. I'm not really worried about crashing through mechanical failure - I consider this a small risk against what I try with the heli.

As others have said you need to be reasonably relaxed about crashing the thing - this puts you in the right frame of mind to have fun. If you are getting paranoid then think of what you can do about that - the problems you are describing would come with any big heli - I've had to sort out a number of mechanical issues with my 90, just last weekend I almost put it in because the main tank clunk line stuck - another forced auto. My advice would be get a cheaper heli to work on the confidence thing - otherwise you run the risk of backing yourself into a corner.

Jeff

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11-05-2004 03:03 AM  13 years agoPost 17
acwman

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I understand the frustration that you are having! I started off with a shuttle when I first started flying. Loved the heli, upgraded it to a point that it really had so much upgrades on it I thought it was everything to me(though it didn't fly any better!) I then went to the larger 60 size helis, and got to a point that I had more helis than flying time! I spent months taking out one after another, and not getting any to run the way I wanted them to, tinkering with engines, adjusting them etc. and it held me back learning anything new for almost a year!

The Raptors started showing up at the fields, and watching them perform all the tricks and 3d manouvers, persuaded me back to the cheaper less expensive route of learning!

I've found the Raptor, as something that I can take out week after week, and learning accelerated rapidly! It is totally reliable, and easy and simple to work with, and repair( and less parts to go wrong!)..not to mention, cheaper to repair than the larger helis! (Have 2 raptors now, just incase I ding one, I still have the other to throw around!)

I still have a couple of larger helis, 2 90 Vigors, Eagle EX, though the feel and power of them far exceed my Raptors, The fun factor still goes to my Raptor! I've had the Raptors upgraded a little by changing the head, and also a few other bits and pieces, and flight characteristics have improved dramatically, and seem to be more comparable to the larger helis, yet If I crash it, I still know that it's still going to be a lot cheaper than the 90s.

If money is not a problem, Just get another cheaper heli to gain confidence, learn new manouvers. I'd totally recommend the Raptor 50

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11-05-2004 06:30 AM  13 years agoPost 18
MJWS

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Sounds like you just need something you can fly consistently. It doesn't seem like the constant maintenance and tweaking is giving you any satisfaction.

Get another ship R50 or EVO 50. Fly it hard. Fuel it. Fly it hard again.

Nothing worse than going home for maintenance. Sounds like you're a little paranoid about the Fury. It's a whole lot more fun if you can go to the backup bird when the "princess" is in her dark mood.

Good Luck, we've all been there.

Mike

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11-05-2004 07:11 AM  13 years agoPost 19
rroback

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Irvine (UCI), Ca

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Sounds like you need an e-heli! Although they have their problems, i like never having to mess with a carb, which drove me nuts flying glow.

Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.

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11-05-2004 10:21 AM  13 years agoPost 20
cjw

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Tommy,

Bad luck, but you get times like this. A few months ago, I had something going wrong all the time with my helis (Raptor and Fury) and couldn't get a decent flight in for over a month. Nothing ever serious, no crashes, but niggling things like;

FURY:

OS engine impossible to start - changed to YS91
Clutch liner worn out - had to replace
Screwed up installing clutch liner and had to do again!
Top White gear broke tooth - replaced
Switch failed intermittently - replaced
Paddle broke in flight - replaced
Tail Rotor blades damaged by Paddle - Replaced
Head bolt on YS91 came loose and was lost in flight - Replaced

RAPTOR:

Main gear broke doing a loop - replaced
Tail belt drive pulley broke - replaced
Tail belt frayed (from pulley braking) - replaced


All of the above happened in the space of about a month or so, with something different going wrong every week

Ah well, the wonderful world of Helis.

Clive

http://www.cjwoods.com

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