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11-04-2004 02:29 AM  13 years agoPost 41
jford

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Isaiahsdad

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11-04-2004 02:30 AM  13 years agoPost 42
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Even if you teach your children that being gay is wrong, it won't stop them from being gay. I have seen it happen. You don't choose to be gay or not. It's just like being born claustrophobic, agoriphobig (fear of open spaces), or Arachnophobic, you can't help it, you just are. I think that tellong people that they can live their lives the way they want to is just wrong. It goes against what this country was founded on and what it strives to be. Plus, like has been said already, you don't see them going from door to door trying to force their life style on you do you? What you do see is people like you going from door to door forcing YOUR life style on them.

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11-04-2004 02:46 AM  13 years agoPost 43
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Gay marriage
Let those who would change the nature of society to include married gays as equals with married heterosexual couples show that gay marriage is at least equally benficial to society. Let them show that they have lower levels of separation, spousal abuse, and criminal behavior. Let them show their children are at least equally as well adjusted and do as well in school, that they are as likely as children of heterosexual pairings to complete an education and become working, contributing members of society. What little evidence I've seen from any legitimate scientific study indicates that just the opposite is the case - more crime, shorter and less stable relationships, more problems with children of such relationships. Let the burden of proof be on those who propose change to show that they have an at least equally successful lifestyle, then let them teach their way as an acceptable alternative and become eligible for benefits. The results of yesterday's vote would indicate that most folks haven't been fooled by the "alternate lifestyle" propaganda that's being taught as a result of judicial and beaurocratic fiat. steve.

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11-04-2004 02:49 AM  13 years agoPost 44
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What I was pointing out with these exampes, is that you are born with them. Just like someone would be born having a preference to one sex over the other.

one more you bring to mind wi the phobia comment, ( this is not directed at you KRYPTIK) This would make HomoPHOBIA a disease or mental problem and therefore treatable.

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11-04-2004 03:01 AM  13 years agoPost 45
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Homosexuality is a CHOICE. Show me scientific evidence to prove otherwise, and stick to the subject at hand. Don't try and prove that being afraid of heights is a choice( not saying it is, I for one was afraid of heights once). Just prove, scientifically, that a person is born gay.

phobia:
An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations

I have no fear of gays, therefore am not homophobic. So the term you use is as irrelivent as your trying to vilify your point on this subject.

And yes steve...God does rule!!

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11-04-2004 03:03 AM  13 years agoPost 46
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Well, after three pages of opinions,
Here's another......

Those of us who know, The WORD of God is The Truth.

If you don't know this, you don't know The Truth.

Now, Our Creator, Father God, declares in His Word
that Homosexuality is unacceptable.

That is The Truth.

For you brilliant Helicopter magic mechanics, Get this:
One utilizes a BOLT and a NUT to hold it together.....

I for one, am particularly delighted that God, our loving
heavenly Father, Created a penis and a vagina.
It is TRULY a wonderful DESIGN......

Does is NOT appear to some of you (Who remain in the dark
without The Truth) that a coupla 'prong's' just ain't makin it!!!

Get it yet?

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11-04-2004 03:05 AM  13 years agoPost 47
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my sentments exactly helicopter

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11-04-2004 03:14 AM  13 years agoPost 48
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God if there is one would not let them become gay ( if it is that wrong ) then so where is your logic.

Don't bring religon into this, NOT everyone is religous. Beleave what u will.

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11-04-2004 03:23 AM  13 years agoPost 49
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I have a book for all of you church goers. It's called the Isaiah Effect. It's quite interesting. you guys should read it sometime.
Remember, before you criticize someone else, walk a mile in their shoes.................
I have been one the other side of the fence and know what it feels like. I used to go to church for a while but, then I did some thinking. The comment about homophobia was npt directed at anyone it was just a statement.

As for you Isaiahsdad, I working on the scientific evidence thing. I want to make sure I get all of my facts straight before I post a reply.

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11-04-2004 03:24 AM  13 years agoPost 50
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God gave us the free will to do as we please. He gave us laws to to guide us. If we break those laws, we will suffer the consiquences come judgment day. Don't kid yourself, its going to happen weather you believe it or not. You have evaded the facts so eliquently once again, prove that homosexuality is not a choice. Can't be done. Homosexuality is a choice.

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11-04-2004 03:26 AM  13 years agoPost 51
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the articles I'm reading right now say you're wrong.
Thus I am not evading the question. I am making sure I have my facts straight. (punn not intended)

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11-04-2004 03:35 AM  13 years agoPost 52
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Preliminary Findings:

The scientific findings began in 1991 when Simon LeVay, working at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in San Diego, found subtle differences in the post-mortem brains of heterosexual and homosexual young men. (The majority of homosexual men also happened to have died from AIDS.) The cluster of neurons known as INAH 3 in the hypothalamus were reduced in size in homosexual men, much to the same degree that the same group of neurons is reduced in women. This region of the hypothalamus is also commonly thought of as participating in “the regulation of male-typical sexual behavior” (LeVay, 1991). LeVay, it should be noted, had strong personal reasons to pursue research in this area. A homosexual himself, he lost his partner of 21 years to AIDS. As was reported in a Newsweek cover-story in 1992, he felt that “. . . if I didn’t find anything, I would give up a scientific career altogether” (Gelman et al., 1992). It may also be said that he was not working without the sense of scope of his project: “It’s important to educate society. I think this issue does affect religious and legal attitudes.” Whether this personal interest affected his scientific practice is still left to be determined.

The most important paper that reported the ‘gay gene’ was from Hamer et al., a team of geneticists working for the National Cancer Institute (NCI). Dr. Dean Hamer and his colleagues reported in 1993 that, using DNA from homosexual siblings and their pedigrees, a gene for homosexuality seemed to be maternally linked and found on the Xq28 stretch of the X chromosome. He chose 40 pairs of homosexual brothers and found that 33 of them shared a set of five markers on the long arm of the X chromosome. In the July 19, 1993 edition of Science, Hamer reported that the linkage translated to a “99.5% certainty that there is a gene (or genes) in this area of the X chromosome that predisposes a male to become a heterosexual” (Hamer et al., 1993).

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11-04-2004 03:36 AM  13 years agoPost 53
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There's your answer
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11-04-2004 03:48 AM  13 years agoPost 54
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A study done 13 years ago by a homosexual. I should have asked for credible evidence. And if you dig a little deeper, you will find that Dean Hamer was dismissed from the NCI for tampering with evidence in a lawsuit filed against a major tobaco company. He later confessed as also being a homosexual. As you are probably already aware, no follow ups have been done on either of these studies because they both were dismissed as being based solly on bias and not scientific evidence. Try as you will you are not going to win this one. I for one am putting my views on this subject to bed.

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11-04-2004 03:52 AM  13 years agoPost 55
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When you consider the fact that we are all concieved as females is it so hard to believe that along the path to becoming males that something just does not go where it is supposed to. ie a certain gene that tell women to be attracted to men and vice versa.

This then makes homosexuality a genetic defect of humans and NOT normal.
What about those who are hermaphrodites or transexuals. All linked to similar defects.

We have cures for may conditions but we have no cures for genetic defects. Cancer, Lukemia, MS, Diabettes or even AIDS

PS God destroyed Sodem and Gamora because of the way they lived their lives. Why now does he allow this desecration of his creation?

PPS I don't believe in GOD

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11-04-2004 03:56 AM  13 years agoPost 56
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I am not admitting defeat, but I can see where this is going. We could argue about this untill we are bule in the face or our fingers fall off because we typed so much. I will leave you with this. I believe that homosexuality is not a choice, I believe it is genetic, thus (i seem to use that word a lot don't I?) you can't just stop being gay. I myself am not gay, but I do believe that people have the right to live their life how they choose and that the people af the US (a FREE country) should not have the right to tell a person whether or not they can live their life the way they want to. Well said Peter 65 (see previous post). I am calling for a turce on this subject, one, because I want to go to bed, and two, I don't want ot debate this till the end of time.

Ryan D.

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11-04-2004 03:59 AM  13 years agoPost 57
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Then what came first?

Chicken or the Egg?

I'm glad it was not Adam and Adam or we would not be here at all

I am not religious. So I dont believe in Adam and Eve either

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11-04-2004 04:30 AM  13 years agoPost 58
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Sceaduflyer
I don't believe either that we should try to dictate others sexual behavior. The corollary to this would be that homosexuals should not force my children to be taught in school that their way of life is equally satisfactory when such has not been proven to be the case, nor should I have to pay with my tax money for their partners to have Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits paid to them. No one has denied them the freedom to practice sex in any way they choose. I'm just asking that they not use my tax money to teach it in the schools or for social welfare programs. The force has all been directed at using my money to teach their agenda and fund their lives, I've not forced them to do anything. Let them be free to practice as they please, I just don't care to let them use my money to do it. steve.

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11-04-2004 04:38 AM  13 years agoPost 59
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It is amazing that the gay men are having anal sex and yet the straight walk around like they always have something up their ass...... I am straight, have had gay friends during college and they treated each other much better than a lot of my beer toting buddies.

If you want to really limit things in this country, I would prefer that there be an IQ requirement before you are allowed to procreate. I pay a great deal of taxes to help out with the idiots that keep being produced in our country. I think you should also make health care unavailable for smokers and fat asses. My healthcare costs continue to rise because of the great smoking lard asses out there.

Two people in a loving relationship, no matter what sex, is the least of our worries in this country. It is a sad day when churches spent millions of peoples money to campaign for a candidate just because he supports a ban on gay marriage.

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11-04-2004 04:38 AM  13 years agoPost 60
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I love having arguements abut critical issues in today's society, such as this, gay marriage, but one thing pisses me off ( I'm for gay marriage, and I'm pro choice). can anyone simply dicuss issues? I have my beliefs, but I never say mine is the correct thing to do, yours it horrible etc etc. I simply states my views, and my logic behind them. I personally would not consider myslef religious ( although by birth I'm jewish), but would consider myself spiritual, but it drives me nuts when people have to resort to saying God is always right etc. If God wanted you to simply keep saying God is right, then he would have designed you to only say that. He did however ( many of you may still have yet to realize this) design you with a brain capable of logical thought that was again capable of connecting issues, and creating your own beliefs. One issue that just popped into my head is when people are against interracial relationships ( this is a slowly dying out issue), I pointed to macaws in costa rica that are known to breed between different species. I'm not quite sure what the heck that had to do with it, but I figured I'd throw it out. In any case...

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