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11-03-2004 04:21 PM  13 years agoPost 1
waterskier

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Well everyone that thought that my prices were too low.....Look at what this guy in Conroe TX in offering!!!! $200.00 a job and his pics don't look that much different than the ones I take for $200.00 plus he has the capability to take high alt, much larger field of view pics. Going to have to lower my prices to compete with this guy.....Probably to $99.00 for standard package!!! Sucks!!
I don't know how the guy is doing with the expence of 152, camera, digital imaging editing, and his time (all included in $200.00)

How can I compete with this guy unless my prices are half of his for the same picture?!?

Here is his website:
http://www.eddiesairshots.com/
Here is mine:
http://www.aerialimaging.net

Greg

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11-03-2004 04:35 PM  13 years agoPost 2
electro212

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remain calm

his costs are much greater than yours
and he can't get the angles you can

how far away from you is this guy?

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11-03-2004 05:32 PM  13 years agoPost 3
CKY

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Why worry? He probably has to get a trap line set up before he goes out and shoots several properties at a time. Probably a retired photographer with a plane that is looking for a reason to go out and fly.

You do not have to have a lower price to compete.
Your biggest challenge will be 'you' being able to sell the sizzle and not the steak. You are not competing with full size aircraft and their own set of limitations.

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11-03-2004 05:34 PM  13 years agoPost 4
GMcNair

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If he's not operating under part 135, then don't worry, he won't be your competition much longer. But at any rate, do not lower your prices. This isn't a curb on the strip where the ugly and disease ridden women do have to lower their rates. You still have a VERY viable product at a very competitive rate. What you need to do is spend more time marketing, and highlight what you can do.

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11-03-2004 06:58 PM  13 years agoPost 5
waterskier

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Part 135?
Why should he be opperating under FAR part 135 Commuter and On-Demand Operations? My understanding is that if he has a commercial pilot's license and an aircraft that qualifys FAR part 23 he can opperate under FAR part 61 for aerial photography? Is this not correct?

Thanks for your thoughts. I will continue to market myself, and will not lower my prices for not....Guess it all depends on how much bus I can get... Would like to eventually vertically intergrate my business by offering full size aircraft service for the high alt pics....Would be a full service aerial imaging business.

Greg

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11-03-2004 07:16 PM  13 years agoPost 6
airshares

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Look at this way.
You are looking at it all wrong. You should raise your prices. You get what you pay for. And usually when something is too cheap there is some catch or something wrong. Raise your prices, claim superior quality, and offer money back if your clients are not satisfied with your work. Dont make this industry cut-throat. You will ruin it for everyone if you start slashing prices. What does that do to the market? It makes everyone have to lower their prices more and more to compete. Pretty soon this business sucks. Keep your prices where they belong, charge a premium for your work. You are offering a unique service.

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11-03-2004 08:59 PM  13 years agoPost 7
ericslife

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Dont lower your prices! They do,do the trapline ! Its the only way they can do it!!
eric d
http://www.pacifichelicam.com

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11-03-2004 09:22 PM  13 years agoPost 8
peaks view

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11-03-2004 09:29 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Polariman

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Agreed. Keep your prices where they are.

Just say...

"I can't comment on what that other guy charges because he is the only one that knows the value of his service." (This infers that you have a higher value.)

You are still more versitile, safer, QUIETER, and most importantly the client can review your pics easier than his.

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11-03-2004 09:53 PM  13 years agoPost 10
daggit

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It’s all about marketing
your low altitude are capabilities a huge selling point

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11-03-2004 10:00 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Load Factor

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I agree with John.....I gave my flight instructor, and a few others, a demo flight at the heliport. They were very curious and full of questions, but the look on their faces when they saw the pics was priceless! Almost like "Oh crap! Is this what we are going to have to compete with!" Keep your prices where they are or higher! IMHO a picture from under 200' says more than one at 500', in most instances.

Tanner

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11-03-2004 11:47 PM  13 years agoPost 12
FLAP

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some of those pictures look like they were well under 500 feet by the full size. Telephoto?

And, what the heck is a trap line by the way?

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11-04-2004 05:12 AM  13 years agoPost 13
CKY

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Sorry, trap-line is Canadian for trudging through the snow to pick up dead animals caught in leg hold traps set in a circular pattern in the woods. Then you thaw em, skin em, and eat em. The skins are for sold for profit, eh..
Eh...

Chris

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11-04-2004 11:42 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Flingwing Pilot

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Full Size Operator Competition
The flights conducted by the flying photographer are under FAR 91 and there are conflicts in the FAA regions about the requirements for these flights. FAR 61 concerns certification standards rather than flight rules. FAR 135 is for non scheduled passenger flights and some other services and another regulation (FAR 119 Certification: Air Carriers and Commercial operators) exempts aerial photography from falling under commercial operations. Go to the thread marketing your photography and see if it gives you any ideas about working with this photographer as well as photographing in the same market. DO NOT CUT YOUR PRICES JUST TO COMPETE. COMPETE IN PRODUCT, SERVICE, PRODUCT, GUARANTEES, AVAILABILITY, etc. but never in prices. There is more than enough work in the marketplace for both of you and another ten competent photographers.

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11-26-2004 08:50 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Rajun151

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I'm late for this thread and Greg, this guy is more in my neighborhood than yours.. So don't sweat it...

A couple of his shots look really low... I've seen some ultralites (float equip'd) up at Conroe but I'd think the Cessna's flying at a 100 or two might tweak the Bentwater crowd... Can they fly that low over the lake or houses? What happend to 500?

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11-26-2004 09:35 PM  13 years agoPost 16
electro212

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You get their tail ## and turn them in!!!

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11-26-2004 10:30 PM  13 years agoPost 17
alanhsu

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You guys.

Do not compete!!!

Competing = lose profit.

If its likely that this guy will be around in your local area for a long time
You guys should attempt to cooperate by setting a constant price(perhaps you can even drive your current price up a little).
You'll probably get less jobs then before if you both drive up the price a bit. But then note that you'll earn more in total.

If you got a lot of firms in the local area, forming a commette might help.

If you lower your price, he'll lower his, and in the end you still get the same amount of customers, but at a lower profit.

This is really basic economy, and its why OPEC works the way it works, OPEC countries decide to sell less and drive up the price to earn a Lot more totol profit.
Ever seen the movie "a beautiful mind". This is basically what John Nash came up with.

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11-26-2004 11:09 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Flingwing Pilot

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Full Size Operator Competition
P.S. I am a full sized operator and I would welcome the extra profit that working in cooperation with you would bring if your photography is as good as or better than mine.

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11-27-2004 12:04 AM  13 years agoPost 19
Darren Bradley

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waterskier


One another note , Check your web page for spelling mistakes

Satification Guarnteed!!!

Instant put of when people are booking your time !

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11-27-2004 03:37 AM  13 years agoPost 20
waterskier

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Cooperative work is good, but legally questionable.....Colusion and monolpist activity are closely regulated by the SEC......But I guess they are really after the Gorden Getcos of the world, not the small business opperators....

Thanks for the comments on the web site....I will get my wife to check the spelling....mine sucks as you know...

thanks,
greg

Greg

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