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11-03-2004 12:55 AM  13 years agoPost 1
twguns

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Here's a quick photo of the plug/fuse that is being done in Indy.
It's 1/7th scale and is 83 inches long, 14.25 wide and just over 12 inches tall at the top of the mechanics area.

The plug you see is first cut in foam. (Now that's done) Next it will get surface finished and finally the mold made and then useable and sellable parts/kits... Hopefully full kits will be available with scale landing gear and former sets around the first of the year... The 4 blade, off-set tail rotor set-up in my gallary will be available as well... Prices to follow in about a month.

Take care,

bigTim

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11-03-2004 01:08 AM  13 years agoPost 2
todd3603

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Impressive

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11-03-2004 01:11 AM  13 years agoPost 3
dj_hawaii

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AWESOME!!!!!, will it be able to fit in Gasser mechanics?


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11-03-2004 01:21 AM  13 years agoPost 4
twguns

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I haven't checked the older gasser mechanics yet, but I think so. It was designed and sized to fit the new "Fury Gas" mechanics and should fit quite a number of the different mechanics sets. We can do some measureing and probably do a list of the mechanics that will "drop in".

Don't expect that list for a few days though, maybe after this comming weekend.

bigTim

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11-03-2004 01:44 AM  13 years agoPost 5
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Thanks, I'll check the width of my Bergen and XCell, The only problem I see is the exhaust staying in the fuse. i was going to fit in my Xcell into my old Apache fuse, but that would mean I would need to cut out vents (screened) on the sides for heat escape (the mech would sit approx 1/8 away from the fuse) and take a header out of the body then back in (u-shaped) then to a tuned pipe. Both the vents and header would appear under the wings. But now I know yours is on the way. Can you put me on the list? Thanks-in-advance


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11-03-2004 10:31 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Makiedog

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Tim,
Glad to see that you're back in the scale fuselage business. I still have one of your Rotory Wing Concept Huges 500D! For those who don't know, Tim used to sell a line of heli fuselages some 18 years ago. Its about time someone gives Len Mount some healthy competition! Judging by the price Len intends to charge, you probably won't have any trouble selling your.

Out of curiosity, what will the kit come with? Oleo struts, gear, weapons, FLIR, cockpit, etc? I'll be very interested if it fits the Vario Benzin mechanics.

Pat L

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11-03-2004 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Dr.Tim

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I saw Tim's Electric Pancake Profile Apache Flying at IRCHA! Very impressive ... He sure has some good ideas .

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Approach Engineering

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11-04-2004 02:33 AM  13 years agoPost 8
CobraJock24

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Need more motivation? Good luck with it!
I wish you the best with this project... with as little frustration as possible! If you need a little more motivation, I can add a wee bit of a short story for you:

Back in August, "dj_hawaii" and I were among the group from here "giving an evil eye to" an early days Century Apache that appeared on EBay, that was still in the original box.

One thing led to another, and I ended up with it in my shop... I think only because "dj_hawaii" already has one and he wanted me to share in his grief!!! Sorry man, but its funny!!

This "new in the box" is something just slightly above what anyone of us can make as a first attempt scratch built model..... "dj_hawaii's" past comments regarding it's scale, details, etc., in past postings are very insightfull and accurate. As an example, there are no weapons in the kit, those the builder is guided to finding straws and toilet paper cardboard rolls, and so on.... to fashion the rocket pods, hellfire's from, etc.

This is scratch building at it's finest, and certainly not a "real kit." You even have to purchase your own plywood for wood formers, draw them up, do all the cutting, and so on.... The kit is just basically a weak fiberglass shell, wierd landing gear arrangement that is sooo wrong, and a canopy. Nothing else.

After spending a mere five minutes with the "kit" components, I am sure that they discontinued selling them due to numerous complaints!

Therefore, please keep up the good work, and produce a quality Apache... Hey, we all know you can do a lot better than the old Century product without even trying hard, because you're looking good with that plug at this point!

Cheers,
Grover

FYI: I will be building this ole Century Apache up with X-Cell mechanics, after I finish the conversion of an old original Kalt Cobra gunship into something with modern mechanics. Emile has me on the right track using Nexus mechanics in it. I will be also modifying the Apache to make it more scale-like, if at all possible.

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11-04-2004 12:30 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Copter Doctor

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nice looking plug. i have never seen the century kit of the apache but i have heard all the stories. must have been pretty bad. i have always said though, you can make anything look more accurately scale if you are willing to do the work and almost nothing is impossible to work with. to the surprise of many, i turned this:

into this:

now i am working on turning this:

into another surprise. will take some serious work but it should be lots "O" fun.
i saw the profile apache at ircha as well and it was very impressive. these are guys i just absolutely admire because they think the same way i do with their ideas. the efforts they put into this fuse will be welcomed by many. keep us posted

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11-04-2004 03:28 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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This Apache project has been in the works for about a year. A few guys here in Indy have worked on it but it is the project of KERRY MUNCIE. And was the profile test bed at IRCHA.

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11-05-2004 01:17 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Mika Woodward

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OOPPSS
Every one spells Kerrys last name wrong . It's Muncy . No big deal i just think it's funny .

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11-07-2004 11:23 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Makiedog

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Brian,
It sounds like Starwood is selling the LM Apache at $1,950. Do you know if it comes with any scale weapons (rocket, hellfire missiles and chin gun) and the FLIR? At that price, I think it should.

Pat L

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11-08-2004 11:47 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Mika Woodward

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I thought that this was the thread for the US Apache ?

Is that UK THING on another forum ?

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11-09-2004 01:03 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Mika Woodward

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I thought that this was the forum for the US apache !
Is the UK that thing on another thread

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11-09-2004 04:46 PM  13 years agoPost 15
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Just a bit of an update on the status of the Indy based version of the AH 64 Apache fuselage kit.

The plug pictured below was CNC cut of foam and is now being finished in preparation for the first mold. Panel lines are being added as well as other surface details. (for DCM and a couple of others who asked, I hope this satisfies and apologize for not getting back to you directly)

The engine nacelles are not in the correct location in the picture as they are separate pieces and were “stuck” on for the pic with a couple of pieces of welding rod.

It has been decided by KM, (the project principal, Kerry Muncy) that the kit will come with the following, fiberglass fuselage, horizontal stab, wood bulkheads and mounts & hardware, tail drive housing and control rod housing will be installed in the mold and drive cable and pushrod hardware included. A vac-u-formed window set, complete nose detail pieces, scale shock absorbing main landing gear, scale shock absorbing tail landing gear, 30mm chain gun (for under nose), 2.75mm rocket pods and full compliment of 8 “Hellfire” missiles and the mounting gear for the above. All of the accessories will be furnished primarily made from fiberglass, aluminum and molded pieces.

What we are working towards here is a very complete fuselage kit.

The target price for this kit is projected not to exceed $1800 fob Indy.

I might add that the primary people involved in this project for Kerry Muncy are;
Chris Coulson, Mika Woodard, Matt Brown, and myself, bigTim Wilson.

This is not a RWC kit, but I have been asked by KM to handle the communications and to design some of the parts and systems for the kit.

Pictured below are images of the fuse plug, and the “updated” 55* tail rotor that we have been flying on the test bed. The parts for building this TR will be available as a separate kit for a reasonable price. We are also working on a scale cockpit kit and will have more details on that later.

We are “shooting” for delivery of the first kits shortly after the first of the year 2005.

Please email me for any other information.

Thanks for your interest,

bigTim

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11-09-2004 08:36 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Makiedog

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Bravo Tim! If you can pull this off, including all the ancillary parts, I would say the target price is very reasonable indeed. I hope that in addition to the MA Gasser, you would have a set of wood formers designed for the Vario Benzin mechanics because after all, Benzin owners constitute a large majority of the serious scalers out there, who usually fly large scale fuses. Also, this group currently only have one Apache choice, which is similarly priced but not as complete.

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11-09-2004 09:14 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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What model Apache is this one? It's not a D I take it? If your selling it as a "complete" kit why is the tail rotor and cockpit seperate? Does the elevator function in flight? Is it big enough to take turbine mechs? Is the boom removable or are you molding it as one piece? Thanks in advance for answering all my questions... The plug looks great..

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11-10-2004 12:04 AM  13 years agoPost 18
Mika Woodward

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BrianS
I'm sorry for the so called short temper comment about the UK THING . But you know how things get off track .
I have no intent on getting anyone upset .
I'm sorry to anyone else that took offence to my comment !
Thanks
Mika

I just can't wait to get the first mold and get it flying !
Still lots of bugs to get worked out .

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11-10-2004 04:19 PM  13 years agoPost 19
twguns

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Vertolfan, It is a model of the AH-64A Apache. It is not a "D" or "Longbow" version.

The tail rotor that we have designed and flight tested is based around MinAir components plus a few of our own pieces that were made to make this all work with that assembly. Knowing that everyone that might be in the market for one of these kits won't necessarly be using MinAir mechanics in it, we decided to offer the necessary "changeover" parts, instructions and stock MinAir parts list, aas a seperate kit for those that want to duplicate what we have done to achieve the 55* tail rotor. This leaves the option open to those that "want to do their own thing" with the tail. If we were to include the necessary tail parts in the kit it would add probably $200 to the kit price as we would have to supply some MinAir parts, in addition to the ones that we make. Again we felt it better to offer this as an "add on" for those that want it. As for the cockpit, we have not been able to get to it as of yet with work being done on all of the other areas of the kit. It will be done in time but just not now.

Considering that this fuse is some 10" longer (83") and wider and taller than the LM Apache, yes it will accept a turbine. That said, you will have to come up with your own mounting system for the mechanics of your choice as our focus is on making the popular Gas, Electric, and Glo mechanics work in it. We would be interested in fitting turbine mechanics, but do not have any at this time to do that with.

Lastly, the tail boom is one piece with the fuse. It is not removable and will have access hatches where necessary. The tail drive tube and pushrod tube will be installed in the fuse when they are laid up.

bigTim

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11-24-2004 10:13 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Makiedog

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It just occured to me: if this fuse is designed for the Min Air gasser mechanic (whether the old version or the new Spectra), you will have the following problems:

1) Pull Start dangling down at the bottom. I suppose you can use a removable pull start but access to the fuse bottom will be challenging.

2) Having to use a pull start (removable or not) on a wheeled landing geared heli seems like a bad idea. The act of pull-starting is very violent and will likely damage external scale detail, not to mention the landing gears themselves.

Automatic electric start is an option but the ones that are available won't fit Min Air mech.

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