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11-02-2004 05:45 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Torsten

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hi there,

have any of you heard of a chinese LMH copy ?

we just a a thread posted on the german RC-Line forum.

just wanted to check here.

thanks guys

t

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11-04-2004 02:42 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Plummit

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Yes I've heard of it. There are also supposed to be copies of other helis coming out.

Don't have any other info, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I have seen one of the new copies, (kits) of (IIRC) a Hornet, and it appears there was some significant assembly to be done by the user.

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-Marc

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11-04-2004 03:23 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Torsten

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Marc,

here is what I found so far:

Chinese LMH knock off

lets wait and see what is left of it when the Arlton brothers slam the importers

t

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11-05-2004 12:48 AM  13 years agoPost 4
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The Chinese are pretty bold.I doubt if Litemachines can fight this one. Mabey they can. China has a tendancy to thumb their noses at Patents. The most that may be accomplished is them keeping the product out of the states. China is notorious for copying products and dumping the lesser quality merchandise on the worldwide markets. Peoplewill buy it because they are looking to save a buck .

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11-05-2004 03:44 AM  13 years agoPost 5
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Things should change once China fully engage in WTO few years from now.

Fact is right now it is not illegal to do this in China.

So they are not bold or brave...they are just legal businessman conducting legal business.
For now at least...

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11-05-2004 05:42 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Darthdrk

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I dont think many will side with you Alan. Ethically its not even accepted.
Entering the WTO....yea right, Just about everything is produced from china. Hmmm.... wonder how the Chinese would feel if someone stole an idea from them ???? I wonder what kinda noise would be made...
Well,anyway dont want to get into much of a discussion about it. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Its expected or the norm as far as the way the chinese do business.

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11-05-2004 07:09 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Torsten

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it is not important were you manufacture a product but were you sell most of it.

and as long as lite machines have that part covered by their patents they should be OK.

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11-05-2004 07:53 AM  13 years agoPost 8
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well, LMH do have several patent. really need to read the patent to see how defensible they are, but looks like they are at least defendable. probably can be fought in court to show prior art on some of them, but couple may be defensible. (flapping main rotor patent) the probably won't be imported into US by distributer. some may show up in ebay though through HK or taiwanese seller. Patent also is in australia, europe, france, germany and UK. from what is on the manual, patent is design to keep someone from creating an exact copy. It can be sold in area outside the patent protection like asia. they did change some stuff like the LG design and crutch design to get around those patent. May be they can sell it anywhere but US.

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11-05-2004 01:13 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Darthdrk

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landing gear looks like it come from the Eolo

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11-05-2004 01:29 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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the other thing that I am not sure about is the size. I wonder if it is same size as corona. some of the design looks like enlarged micro. if you are molding it out of plastic, crutch design could easily be changed.

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11-05-2004 01:56 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Darthdrk

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since you mentioned it,it does look smaller than the Corona. It may be more like a zoom size.Look at the Tail rotor,looks really large, main gear looks like a micro size gear. It could be a shrunk down Corona,kinda like a shrunk down raptor ( T-Rex)

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11-05-2004 07:28 PM  13 years agoPost 12
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Hey guys don't forget that patents don't last forever. The Corona has been around for a while so its possible that any patents they did have are now or soon to be expired, leaving their innovations to be "mimicked" by the "bottom feeders". I think they have the option of re-applying for the patents but some comapnies don't always do this with their products.

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11-05-2004 08:07 PM  13 years agoPost 13
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Your right, They don't last forever. Right now I think , in the US anyway, that the peroid is 99 years past the life of the creator allowing you to will off your rights to family members or commercial interests.

-eSmith.

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11-05-2004 08:40 PM  13 years agoPost 14
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As far as I know, US patents are only good for 7 years, unless you pay maintanance fees which can push them to 15ish.


The sky is our canvas

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11-05-2004 08:57 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Torsten

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jepp,

that´s right. i have two us patents and they have to be maintained by a us patent lawyer. after 15 years they are open.

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11-05-2004 09:00 PM  13 years agoPost 16
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OK, I just did a quick search for patent law, on the US patent office site. 20 years seems to be normal and your right about the maitenance payment thing. and it seems depending on the type of patent the amount of time varies.

Also the domestic and international law differs so it becomes a jurisdiction issue.

Personally, I don't think China gives a Flying **** either way right now. China is preparing to dominate the manufacturing world right now and is ramping up production of EVERYTHING and stockpiling raw materials at astonshing rates. At some point North American companies are going to be screwed. We are already seeing raw material shortages in our industry (manufacturing Paints and Coatings) and are on allocation based on last years consumption rate for many common chemicals simply because demand from china has distorted the markets causing capacity issues for raw material suppliers.

Anyway, just supplying some info. Cheap heli's are not a bad thing!

-eSmith.

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11-06-2004 01:25 AM  13 years agoPost 17
alanhsu

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Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

I do not agree with things like this.
Copying other's idea and etc.

I am just stating fact, in china, right now, they just copy everything and sell it in China. They even copied a book my friend wrote and sell it in China.
Also 98% of the drug now selling in China are not original.
But it is said that once China is fully integrated into WTO, drug companies can now sue these companies in China that copy stuff.
So that's what I am saying. Lite machine cannot sue them in china yet, but they will be able to in...8years?

BTW, In China you can buy knockoffs of zoom, Hornet2, Dragonfly, Hirobo Lama(I actually saw and fly this knockoff in Canada myself), bunch of airplanes, I think some traxxas trucks too, also Trex yet to come too haha. Just about anything at half the price and half the quality. So this particular one is really nothing special.

Now my info might be incorrect, but that is just my understanding.

Also, if you see them in US, it just means that some shops decide to import and sell them since they are so cheap to buy and can be sold at a higher price. But I do not think its at all legal in US.

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11-08-2004 02:44 PM  13 years agoPost 18
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Siince the word is obviously out, I was told of this (Chinese copies) about 6 weeks ago. Supposedly, these products were coming in fully assembled, but the Hornet I saw had no assembly done - it was all nuts and bolts and bearings! There are copies of other helis too.

Let's remember that if a product is "improved", then you can get around a patent and even patent the improved version - as long as you don't call it by the same name.

So far, Lite Machines has been very accommodating with the "upgrade" market. That's probably because you still had to buy the basic heli (or parts) to be upgraded. And the markup on parts is significant enough to make it worth while to not come down on the upgrade guys.

If this is indeed a micro, then there may not be much to go on other than the design part, which might be considered an "improved" version. Also, lawyers and lawsuits cost $$$, and no lawyer is going to take something like this on contingency if there is a chance he might lose in the end.

regards

-Marc

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11-08-2004 09:32 PM  13 years agoPost 19
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Wow, Check out that Groovy Radio!!!

LOL!

Shotgun

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11-09-2004 05:37 AM  13 years agoPost 20
Plummit

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>>
Check out that Groovy Radio!!!
<<

Groovy????

regards

-Marc

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