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11-02-2004 07:54 PM  13 years agoPost 21
BigChopper

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cyclic rings are for girls!

Andy

PS. What are the inside and outside dimensions required for the JR3810/8103?

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11-02-2004 08:04 PM  13 years agoPost 22
Alistair

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cyclic ring has nothing to do with a gyro so that is just a plain stupid comparison.

the curtis comparison is stupid as well... why don't you have a look at his radio.

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11-02-2004 08:13 PM  13 years agoPost 23
BigChopper

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It has a lot to do with gyros ... If you're as hard as you think you are, lets see you do all this stuff with no gyro.. that was the analogy!

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11-02-2004 08:16 PM  13 years agoPost 24
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Hi
I gotta just be missing something
Isn't that what ATV is used for?
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11-02-2004 08:18 PM  13 years agoPost 25
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NO, that wasn't a good analogy... it has nothing to do with gyro's and being hard....

i learned to fly with out any gyro at all.... i've been doing this for some 14 years... i don't need a bloody ring now. i control the heli, i don't just jam sticks everywhere.... that's all there is too it.

i don't like them, i think they are stupid... accept it.

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11-02-2004 08:20 PM  13 years agoPost 26
DOKEY

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Clear off then !!!!

Ryan.

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11-02-2004 08:26 PM  13 years agoPost 27
Alistair

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lol...... yeah, that's no bother.... all i wanted to say was i don't like them... them someone always has to do the you suck if you don't use them... blah blah blah... oooo curtis uses one... yeah well curtis flies with a bloody ski pole... and, i'm not curtis.

anyways... cheers, go fly.

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11-02-2004 09:54 PM  13 years agoPost 28
rckrzy1

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I'm just stating why NOT use the tools of the time? I use a microwave for boiling water, etc. If there is a tool that keeps you from banging the corners why not use it? Besides stubborness to accept new things.



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11-02-2004 10:04 PM  13 years agoPost 29
sweetP

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and, i'm not curtis.
Nuf said.

What was my tag line? AMA 139721

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11-02-2004 10:44 PM  13 years agoPost 30
G.Man

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Alistair is right tho

John(boy) Parker used to use one and now has no need for one, and does chaos and piroflips with the best...

They arent required, but damn helpful...

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11-02-2004 11:46 PM  13 years agoPost 31
nickt919

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Curtiss has a stick shift on his radio. His heli has a manual transmission. That's why he doesn't need a cyclic ring.

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11-02-2004 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 32
BigChopper

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I dont like 'em... they just look stoopid

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11-03-2004 01:02 AM  13 years agoPost 33
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Leaving aside the fact that they may make piroflips/ chaos easier, are they actually necessary from a mechanical perspective?

Surely one could set up the swash so that it doesn't quite bind in the corners of tx stick throw, then get the pitch/roll rate how they want using lighter paddles or some adjustment in the head.

Or not?

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11-03-2004 01:45 AM  13 years agoPost 34
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I don't find it makes piro flips easier or harder. It is anoying at first when you go for that extra throw in the corner and hit the ring instead. But the flip side is that you can set your swash for max travel and not worry about creating a bind at some other stick position. Plus your cyclic flip/roll rate can be the same around the cyclic. So you have the same rate foreward, aft, left, right, as well as in the corners. It is the same as the argument for or against governors, V-curve vs S-curve, boxers or briefs. If you like it use it, if not then don't.

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11-03-2004 04:01 AM  13 years agoPost 35
Alistair

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I dont like 'em... they just look stoopid
lol, yep, that too....

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11-03-2004 06:18 AM  13 years agoPost 36
JKos

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Gentlemen,
While discussing cyclic rings, one needs to remember that the correct shape for a cyclic "ring" is not circular if any exponential is used on the aileron and elevator controls. If a circular ring is used with exponential, the total control throw towards the "corners" is less than along the individual axes.

Just thought I would throw that in. I believe someone posted plots showing this here on RunRyder a while back.

- John

EDIT: Here you go: http://graphics.tudelft.nl/~wouter/...vellimiter.html

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11-03-2004 07:09 AM  13 years agoPost 37
G.Man

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effectively, the more expo you run, the less binding until the actual corner of the stick...

that actually gives you some margin for error so negates some of the reason for the cyclic ring...

If you fly planes as well as helis, then the cyclic ring becomes a pain in the butt tho..

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11-03-2004 07:54 AM  13 years agoPost 38
Colibri

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It is a smart solution and not one that can be done within the computer of the radio
Why not? The only difference between a mechanical cyclic ring and physical one is that you can move the stick into the corner where it doesn't have an effect anymore because of electronic limiting.

Only if you are going to use the edge of the ring as guide for your sticks like maybe in a chaos you need the physical ring, but most of the time you just need a limit to prevent binding.

An electronic ring can also take into account the above mentioned problem where expo causes a non circular ring.

Tim

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11-03-2004 09:19 AM  13 years agoPost 39
Gadgets

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Mode1 cyclic ring??
Any ideas





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11-03-2004 11:39 AM  13 years agoPost 40
Colibri

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Mode1 cyclic ring??
Can be done electronically as well (and not mechanically).

Tim

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