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11-01-2004 07:35 AM  13 years agoPost 1
LGM Guitars

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Tonight my buddy sent me a link to a gorgeous Turbine heli in the for sale section.
There was a comment made about
"must be nice to have that kind of money to throw around"

Well, I fly jets mostly, and I hear this comment on a regular basis, it's unfair and uncalled for. On another RC forum there was a thread on who is responsible if you shoot down another plane. There were a few guys who felt if they accidentally shot down somebodies jet that they shouldn't be responsible because "if you have the money to have a jet you can afford to lose it"

Bull......

Guys flying turbines are not elitist pilots or anything like that. We're not all millionaires who can "have money to throw around" It would be nice if we were I guess but we're not.

I don't make much money, but I also don't smoke, I don't drink every night, I don't use drugs, I don't go away every weekend, I don't replace my car every couple years etc.

I just decided what I really wanted to do and made the sacrifices in order to acheive that goal.
There really is no reason that anyone flying RC couldn't buy a turbine powered aircraft if it's what they REALLY wanted. If you aren't willing to save up for it, then it's not something you really truly want.
That's not a bad thing either, everyone has priorities in life, RC is not something we have to do to survive, but in one way or another we've all made some sacrifices for RC, whether it's money or just simply time.

Anyway, this post isn't meant to be rude, or mean, or anything like that, I just hate seeing / hearing statements that associate high end models etc with having heaps of money, it simply is not always the case, and even if it is, I don't feel it's fair to make statements like that.

Just my 2 cents.

Jeremy

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11-01-2004 08:15 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Helinutnz

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good on ya mate
I agree.
Just jealousy I guess.
Enjoy your jet!

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11-01-2004 12:42 PM  13 years agoPost 3
dariof

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I am sure you already know the answer to your question. Most people have always, are, and will allway be jealous of those who have more. It is the nature of mankind, and thus the reason why one of the commandments addresses this issue.

Money is the easiest enity to be jealous of, because others can see the resluts of that money. But people can be jealous of others' flying abilities, family, etc. The list is endless.

People don;t care what kind of sacrifices you made to get where you're at....they only care what you have that they don't.

Don't worry about it. It's their problem. If you ever become the jealous one, then it's your problem.

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11-01-2004 01:21 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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Shoot! Without even considering turbines, I've heard many times from non-hobbiests that they'd love to get into RC helis but they don't have that kind of disposable $$... These are often people who make a lot more than me!

I just respond that you'll find the money to spend on what you really enjoy.


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11-01-2004 01:35 PM  13 years agoPost 5
ifixairplanes

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I found the initial cost of helis to be quite a good amount. After you have everything though, its all nickels and dimes for the parts when you break something. I wish I had the money for a turbine anything, but I am happy with what I have for now. A few planks and my heli. Being jealous of something or someone never got anyone anywhere.

sean

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11-01-2004 01:38 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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Its a matter on what you want and how bad you want it, I never accuse anyone with a turbine of not worrieing about crashing...heck thats why I stay with glow and just recently got into gas...but turbines arnt something I'll ever do because I dont want to sacrifice what I already have to get them, the desire isnt as high as just getting out there and flying. Do I have the money for turbine? yep, will I ever get one, nope...I'm comfy where I am and thats why I dont ever tell someone its ok they just lost their jet, they will get another because its not just the $ its the time that went into it which you cant put a price tag on. that being said if you have a ferrari you got the money to insure it and put tires on it ect...

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11-01-2004 03:07 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Tailspinner

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LGM,
If flying turbines is your thing more power to you. Anybody that gives negative comments, is incapable of understanding that you have made sacrifices for your own enjoyment.
I've been into 1/12, 1/10, 1/8 off-road, and now helis. Yes if I had it all to do over , there are certain changes I would make. I also hear these comments now and again. Of the people that have made these comments, some of them are heavy smokers? A few smoke one or more packs per day? At $7.00 per pack that equals $2555.00 per year. I don't spend near that per year on my hobby. I think it funny that they can afford their addiction, yet don't understand my spending money on R/C.
While I don't have the figures, I think there are more deaths due to smoking than flying R/C helis or tubrbines.
Enjoy your self and to HELL with the negative comments.

Are you on the list?

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11-01-2004 03:47 PM  13 years agoPost 8
greg

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LGM....I agree with you. The thing I always keep in my mind is that it is all relative. I look at other peoples hobbies and think how affordable mine is (helis). I lot of the people I know are into auto racing, old car restoration, fishing (boats included). And I know I don't have near the money tied up into my hobby as they do theres. But I still get the "must be nice" comments from these very same people. It is all what you want to spend your money on.

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11-01-2004 04:57 PM  13 years agoPost 9
cmartin

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LGM
You make a good point.

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11-01-2004 05:01 PM  13 years agoPost 10
vetrider

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Well said LGM. I'm with ya!

Nolan

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11-01-2004 05:11 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Wa11banger

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Couldn't agree more.. I am a relatively new heli hobby person. I have spent alot on helis getting to where I am now and want to go further. I have been flying planks for many years I mean many and some of my planks although not at the turbine level were very expensive. I would hear comments about what I spent to get them and was even shot down once in which case the members of the club actually had to interveine to get this person to cover the cost of the replacements and rebuild. The point is although I went through the expense to build the model I don't necessarily have the funds to do it immediately again. I would like to get into Turbine helis (oh hell yah) but for me right now the expense is not something I am willing to pay out. To those that have... I am jealous I want to have one too.. and on that foot congrats on getting there and enjoy the hell outta flying it/them.. I will come watch anytime and dream

Just my .02
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11-01-2004 06:33 PM  13 years agoPost 12
washout

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What use is a turbine. Ok its cool but other than that apart from scale they are useless. I think ur better saving ur money for something elsejust my 2 cents

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11-01-2004 06:48 PM  13 years agoPost 13
pcliftonjr

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I'm with ya LGM!
The first question I get from anyone not into R/C Helis is "How much did that cost?".

Bottomline, It's OUR money and we can spent it OUR way...

Paul

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11-01-2004 06:51 PM  13 years agoPost 14
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Of the people that have made these comments, some of them are heavy smokers? A few smoke one or more packs per day? At $7.00 per pack that equals $2555.00 per year. I don't spend near that per year on my hobby.
You bring up an interesting point there. I'm a heavy smoker, maybe two to three packs a day typically. I once calculated how much I was spending on smoking and it came out to around $600 a month...

Last winter I decided I wanted to get back into helis again. I quit smoking for two months and put the cigarette money into a heli fund. By springtime I had my heli, engine, and 9C all ready to go.

I've also got a Freya 90 I picked up used. This winter plan to convert it to an Avant and get a YS91 and 601 for it. With Nicorette lozenges available everywhere it shouldn't be much of an effort.

It's just a matter of priorities...

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11-01-2004 07:29 PM  13 years agoPost 15
LGM Guitars

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What use is a turbine. Ok its cool but other than that apart from scale they are useless. I think ur better saving ur money for something elsejust my 2 cents
Well, that's your opinion. But I for one find that they are far from useless. Scale makes up a huge part of RC modelling, like it or not, with the power available from a turbine why wouldn't you use it? I don't think it will be long before turbines are seen in 3D stuff either, they are getting lighter, and more powerful all the time. If you consider that turbines are still very new in the world of RC compared to a glow engine, the power/weight ratio is astonishing.
As for my hobby, Jets, turbines have revolutionized the hobby in every aspect of it. Now we can fly bigger, faster, more scale jets than ever before. The power that we have compared to Ducted Fan is incredible.
Beyond the world of jets flying fast, we are now entering an era never before seen in jets, slow speed 3D type flying. New jets like the Kingcat are revolutionizing the jet world, now 200mph isn't the most important thing, now we can fly very slow, and do very 3D style manouvers. This would have never happened to jets if it had not been for Turbine engines. This technology is spreading across the board in the world of RC. Turbine heli's are very new, consider the first JPX and Sophia turbines in jets, they couldn't even perform as well as a ducted fan, they weighed about 5 pounds and produced all of 8 pounds of thrust. Now there are new engines like my Pegasus that weighs 4.5lbs and produces 32 pounds of thrust. There are engines out there the size of a coffee cup (the MW44) weighing less than 2 pounds with all support equipment and producing 8 pounds of thrust.
It will just keep getting better.
Turbines useless? hardly, if nothing else they are introducing new materials and technologies into this hobby which will reflect on everything else.

Saying you think I'd be better off saving my money for something else is a load of crap, it's not your decision for what I save my money for, if you don't want to buy one that's fine, but it's attitudes like this that IMO make people look foolish. If you don't like something that's fine, but making statements such as that only show a jealous side, or childish side.
For me, I don't care if it's a kid flying a $300 tower trainer, or a guy flying a $30,000 F100 super saber, if they're flying it because they love it, then they've spent their money well. If you're flying ANYTHING, be it a jet, heli, or 40% plane just to impress other people, well, you're in the hobby for all the wrong reasons.
So, turbines are no more worthless than anything else in this hobby, lets face it, if we should all be content with nothing changing, technology never evolving, we'd still be trying to fly 2 channel reed control models, or GMP crickets.

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11-01-2004 08:01 PM  13 years agoPost 16
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Each to their own
washout. You are entitled to your own opinion. that is what makes this world great. if we were all the same what a boring place it would be.

Being objective about the subject......it is passion that we are talking about here....not money. I say fishing is boring and I couldn't think of a worse thing to do with my time but others have a huge passion for it and good on them. The mere thought of being able to cast a rod gets them excited. I am glad people fish....I like to eat them! LOL. I can't understand people throwing them back in the water but then it's not my passion. These same people (at least some of them that aren't also modellers) would yawn at the first comment ever made about models.

Dude, I don't think anything is useless in modelling. Just targeting peoples different interests in this varied and interesting hobby.

In defence of turbines IMHO. They are way cool! Sound fantastic....brilliant technology....shape of a lot of modelling to come.

One other general comment about the subject. It is also important for those that can afford the most expensive toys to be mindful of those that are unable to and respect them by not shoving it down their throats. Everyone likes a "well off" nice guy but no one likes a "well off" tosser.

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11-01-2004 08:06 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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Thank You LGM.

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Approach Engineering

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11-01-2004 08:16 PM  13 years agoPost 18
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What use is a turbine. Ok its cool but other than that apart from scale they are useless. I think ur better saving ur money for something elsejust my 2 cents
Then I guess you have never stood next to Bob Johnson (Skyline models) when he is flying 3D with his turbine like I have, you might have a different opinion then!
Best you dont make asumptions on things you know very little about!

Why buy model helicopters at all, there are far more important things in the world you could spend your money on.. charities, world peace blah, blah... all very worthy causes, but hang on, it's my money that I have worked damm hard for and I will waste it on any pleasure I damn well chose!

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11-01-2004 08:18 PM  13 years agoPost 19
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I Agree LGM. People should keep negitive opinions to themselves when it comes to raining on someone's parade. If I deceded to get a Turbine it would be because I want one. after that point, who cares what others think. So why is it so important for some people to get thier opinions across. You would think we were spending thier money.

I have a friend into RC trucks. He really loves them, he's a car guy in general and these trucks appeal to him.

They Don't do much for me, I even picked up a savage SS to get into it with him. It just doesn't do anything for me, sure it's fun for a second or two, but after having flown heli's, I'm not interested in the limited ground huggers.

I keep that to myself, he doesn't need to hear me piss down on him. Heck, he may even hate Heli's. I wouldn't know, he never says.

We're great friends who accept that each of us has different interests. He wastes cash on stuff that interests him, I blow my wad on stuff that keep me happy. what's left we spend on beer.


-eSmith.

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11-01-2004 08:21 PM  13 years agoPost 20
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Why buy model helicopters at all, there are far more important things in the world you could spend your money on.. charities, world peace blah, blah... all very worthy causes, but hang on, it's my money that I have worked damm hard for and I will waste it on any pleasure I damn well chose!
im with you on that one. you work hard for your money, you spend it how you want and no one can say a thing!!!!!!!

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