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05-20-2004 04:15 PM  14 years agoPost 1
gmeister45

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I tried my first auto last night. The first few were ugly and I paniced before going back to normal mode but everything was OK. They started looking better until I thought, 'this one looks good, Im going all the way'. I got about 5 feet from the ground, flared nicely, and then panicked again. I pulled negative(for some reason I don't understand) and the chopper hit the ground and bounced back up to about five feet, several time. The only damage is a bent main, bent boom and soiled shorts.
Very entertaining, to me and the peanut gallery.

Gary - Its not if, but when you crash!!

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05-20-2004 05:09 PM  14 years agoPost 2
RotorX

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how much negative have on it?

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05-20-2004 05:14 PM  14 years agoPost 3
TWOWHEELTOM

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been there....done that....

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05-20-2004 05:40 PM  14 years agoPost 4
BOONY

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you should really only be using something about -3 negative

Remember crashing is stupid and you could end up crying in front of your friends!

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05-20-2004 06:00 PM  14 years agoPost 5
Mike99

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Autos are all about timing. Getting that left thumb (or pinch) to react with all the other things going on is the toughest part. When you said you "pulled negative" maybe you were losing some head speed and the thing just dropped. Practice, Practice, etc.... is the best learning method.

Great Info Here

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05-20-2004 06:33 PM  14 years agoPost 6
gmeister45

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first auto
Thanks for the link. Good info there. I have my throttle hold curve the same as my idle up curve. +9 to -9.
How can I auto with only -3 pitch. Dosen't seem like enough. One thing I didn't do is go to low pitch and then hit the switch. Seems scary.

And it didn't fall, I drove it into the ground because I went to low pitch.

Gary - Its not if, but when you crash!!

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05-20-2004 06:38 PM  14 years agoPost 7
A. Bundy

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Keep trying,you'll get it.

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05-20-2004 06:44 PM  14 years agoPost 8
gmeister45

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first auto
For $15 in parts its cheap entertainment.

Gary - Its not if, but when you crash!!

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05-20-2004 06:48 PM  14 years agoPost 9
A. Bundy

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I think you might want to enlist the help of a good local flyer to show you the autorotation basics.

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05-20-2004 06:52 PM  14 years agoPost 10
gmeister45

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first auto
THE BASICS????

What are you saying.
You are now enlisted.

Gary - Its not if, but when you crash!!

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05-20-2004 06:55 PM  14 years agoPost 11
A. Bundy

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I'm not working on some POS venture. Maybe the previous owner can give you some tips and help set it up.

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05-20-2004 07:18 PM  14 years agoPost 12
Mike99

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First step - take it to five feet. Then move to THold. Watch the heli - if it just settles to the ground your set up is fine. If it jumps up or down then TH and IDU1 are not the same - they should be as you say yours are. After a few trys at five feet, and your left thumb gets comfy - then try holding the heli at "near to ground level" by applying steady and increasing pitch when you get close from the five foot level. When the blades get really slow it will settle to the ground. After a few of those you can start adding altitude as you have a good feel for the actions needed when you are near the ground. Having a little forward flight helps lift as does a little wind on the nose.

Hang in there - you will get it. Careful - boom strikes are common if the head speed gets too low and you bang the ground.

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05-21-2004 05:42 AM  14 years agoPost 13
JoeBecker

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I've just started popping my first baby autos from about 3-4 feet myself. My question is, isn't there a certain low height to avoid, because you'll be at just the area where you're still low overall (like 10 feet?) but not high enough at the same time? I would like to ease myself higher and higher but I'm worried about this danger zone, if it exists. I heard this is more of an issue for .30 size ships. Any thoughts?

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05-21-2004 06:17 AM  14 years agoPost 14
RaptorPraetor

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The "Dead Zone" is around 20-50 feet. Hard as He11 to auto unless you have good foward movement. Believe it or not it is easier to auto the higher you are. I like to take it up to over 200 feet and drop it hard comming all the way to -11 on my pitch to get the bird down quick. Head speed is awsome at the bottom. If there is a decent head wind I only come back to -5 to -6 and come down really really slowley.

The smaller the bird the harder it is to hold the headspeed. A Fury can hover forever at the bottom of an auto where as a 30 size Raptor you need to get it to the spot and set it down.

The hardest part of shooting that first auto is reaching up and hitting the switch. A good way to learnn is to get really high and hit the switch come down a ways and then hit it again to get the engine back up. Some people do this but I didn't I hit the switch and crapped myself all the way down. Must have slid 100 feet on asphalt. shaved my skids down to nothing.

Patrick

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05-21-2004 06:18 AM  14 years agoPost 15
tailrotordave

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I believe somewhere between the 15-30 foot range is bad because you cannot generate enough headspeed should you need it--i.e. losing an engine and not realizing it until the headspeed starts to bleed off and you notice that it isn't as loud as it normally is.
I used to do a bunch of them around 5 feet or so from a hover. Hit the hold switch and let it settle, trying to hold it off an inch or so.
Then I went to doing them in normal mode all the way to the ground. Go up high and pull the throttle down to a fast idle and start to feed in collective about 10 feet or so. Make sure you land it every time because if you do these as practice, but never get the heli on the ground, then you are cheating yourself of the most important part of the exercise--the flair and the touchdown.
After that, set your throttle hold a bit high so it keeps the blades spinning a bit and go for it. You'll find it is pretty easy and very fun.
Hope this helps.

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05-21-2004 08:37 AM  14 years agoPost 16
mcatech

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A Simulator is a tremendously valuable tool for practising autos

I flew for nearly 5 years without ever doing an auto I still can't believe my luck as up untill then I never once had the engine die

anyway my first attempts also looked ugly but by some miracle I pulled them off
but I gave up until I got reflex any very quickly discovered what I was doing wrong

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05-31-2004 09:44 PM  14 years agoPost 17
A. Bundy

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Gary made a real nice 200' auto for the first time last night.Smooth as silk except for a little forward slide we still got to work on.

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06-01-2004 02:32 AM  14 years agoPost 18
AMainMaker

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I still haven't done a voluntary auto. All of mine were involuntary engine flame outs. over heats and whatever else nature has in store for me. All were successful a little rough on landing but no damage or boom strikes.My first one with my Raptor 90 was inverted. I was doing a roll when the engine overheated and flamed out. Bad part was I was upside down when the engine went. Luckily I kept the head speed up and flipped it over and landed pretty smooth with only a little bounce.
Maybe someday i will get enough nerve to try one voluntarily
Jason

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06-01-2004 02:46 AM  14 years agoPost 19
B.Hofferth

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amainmaker, was in dales shop the other day and he was telling me about your inverted auto with the raptor, and he thought that was the coolest thing he has seen in a while. he had no idea you could roll a copter over and land in an auto.

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06-01-2004 03:32 AM  14 years agoPost 20
AMainMaker

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It was quite scary considering it was the first auto I have done with the 90 none the less inverted.I had my doubts about it too I was already adding up the damage before it even landed. I was up to about $225.00 before I set her down with no damage at all.
Are you gonna go to the Fun Fly Bremen is having in a couple weeks?
Me and a couple other guys will be there flying our helis. If you are interested get ahold of dale or PM me and we can get ya some directions to there field. It is not far from the hobby shop
Jason

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