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Posted by rcnut on 02-24-2009 12:31 PM:
Align servos
Has anyone tried the Align DS610 servo? If so, anything good/bad about these servos?

Looking to install 3 of them in my Trex 700N.

ThanksTeam Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by Git on 02-24-2009 12:44 PM:
the quality of make is average.. similar to futaba 3001/3003

the wires are shorter than hitecs

coarse sounds when switched on.

ive them on my 600N.. had to move gyro away from the aileron and pitch servos because it was causing interference.

ds620 coupled with a 401 for the rudder.. good hold @ 70% gain.. tail held nicely during fast tail slide and funnels.

faster than my hitec hs7965mg on my other 600N

the fittings for servo horns are 'futaba' but had to force slightly my futaba alu quick uk servo wheel onto them.

there was an intermittent twitching (aileron) on one occasion but went away upon switch on/off.

a fren (trex700) is using them direct from a 7.4 lipo without regulator.. 5 flights so far so good.. cool to the touch upon landing.

for the price vs performance, my 600N, 30 or so flights, im very happy.Alees Rush 750
Posted by Regie on 02-24-2009 12:44 PM:
I've tried not the DS610 but the DS620 for my Trex 700's cyclic. 11 flights and so far so good. I'd let them sit there until my 700 retires.
Posted by lightningrc on 02-24-2009 03:41 PM:
Ive got them in my 600 and 700 they do buzz alot but are very quick and work well
Posted by QuantumPSI on 02-24-2009 03:42 PM:
subscribed...

I'm going to follow this thread. I've always been weary of Align electronics and still refuse to try them at this point, but perhaps things have changed and so I'm trying to keep an open mind....now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
Posted by lightningrc on 02-24-2009 03:46 PM:
There not made by Align they just have there name on them like what they do to the OS motors
Posted by Mike Fortin on 02-24-2009 04:24 PM:
Here is my take on it as I posted in a previous thread.

I just got 4 of the Align DS610's for my 700N and got 5 flights on them today. I am running them on a straight 2 cell lipo at 8 volts.

First thing I noticed was that the servos are very quick as well as strong. I was able to hold the swash and the helicopter would lift itself up/down with the strength of the servos.

Speed seemed as fast as the 8717's that I had been running in the same machine only 1 day earlier and in the air it feels as precise as the previous servos. I let others fly the machine with Align servos without telling them what servos they were and they didn't realize.

The spline is Futaba based and the Align "F" wheels that come with the servos work perfect. I swapped out my 8717's as I simply had to try these new servos knowing that they had some big shoes to feel I was reluctant but can tell you that they worked flawlessly under extreme conditions.

I have 22 flights on them last weekend and they were rocking! Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by Puffy929 on 02-24-2009 04:51 PM:
I agree with Mike.... I have them in my 600 and I will not buy another expensive servo for the 50.. Not sure on the 90 yet cause I have the 8717's in it...but yea... I like the servos and I would recommend then in any heli...TRex600Nitro YS 50 JR9303Converted to 2.4 TJ Pro
Posted by rcnut on 02-24-2009 05:07 PM:
I guess the next question will be.....how long will they last? And how well do they hold up in a crash?

So far, I've read the case breaks and the output spline will strip first, if using the Quick UK aluminum servo wheels.
There not made by Align they just have there name on them like what they do to the OS motors
Should this be the case, then they should last.

I have purchased 3 for my, just ordered, Trex 700N (along w/Align 91HZ).Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by Mike Fortin on 02-24-2009 05:13 PM:
So far, I've read the case breaks and the output spline will strip first, if using the Quick UK aluminum servo wheels.
I have to snicker...sorry.

I have seen 8717 cases break in a crash..but then again there wasn't much left to the helicopter either..can't blame the quality...just gravity.

Using metal servo horns is not a good idea, I would much rather have a plastic servo wheel strip out than to break a metal gear inside the servo.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by QuantumPSI on 02-24-2009 06:20 PM:
There not made by Align they just have there name on them like what they do to the OS motors
Then who makes them and/or where are they made?...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
Posted by 30636086 on 02-24-2009 06:24 PM:
Using metal servo horns is not a good idea, I would much rather have a plastic servo wheel strip out than to break a metal gear inside the servo.
+1I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!
Posted by SRH990 on 02-24-2009 07:22 PM:
The Align 610/620, 510/520 & 410/420 are made by Savox. Savox have in production a brushless motor servo rated to run on 8.4V, I can't wait to see how much these are when they hit the stores.Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4
Posted by lightningrc on 02-24-2009 07:36 PM:
I would imagine align will have them also with there name on them
Posted by Regie on 02-24-2009 11:05 PM:
I guess the next question will be.....how long will they last? And how well do they hold up in a crash?
I don't want to find out the answer to the last question. As to how long they would last, no one has the answer yet. The most flights I've read goes to Allan Szabo which he posted in HF. He said he runs direct lipo with those on the cyclic and has more than 100 flights and no problems.
Posted by rcnut on 02-25-2009 02:15 PM:
Savox (Savoxtech) is in Taiwan. Several top RC buggy racers are using these servos for the 2009 season.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by rcnut on 03-02-2009 02:39 PM:
I installed the Align servos over the weekend and had a chance to run them, verify they work. So far, so good. I did notice they are a bit nosier while moving. I was told that once the horns are installed, they quite down some.

Can't wait to "rock"/"hammer" on this servos, see how they feel.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by raptorheli2 on 03-02-2009 02:56 PM:
just to clarify the case breakage. the cases reported to be broken some have not occured during a crash. i know personally of 2 people locally who have cracked a case during normal flying. 2 different people and 2 different helis.

there is also reports of them failing on 8.4v, i seen a picture of one badly melted a while back but not sure of voltage it had. i think it was 8.4 but not 100%. with that said jr servos also have been known to break with over voltage but i've not yet heard of anyone breaking a case midflight?

i'm sure they are fine and good value for money overall but would need to be special circumstances for me to take 8717's/8915's out and put these in for sake of it.

cheers
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Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-02-2009 03:30 PM:
This weekend I had another 25 flights or so on the DS610's and still all is well at 8.4

Someone says the servos are noisy..I don't hear anything in the air??Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by lightningrc on 03-02-2009 03:33 PM:
Someone says the servos are noisy..I don't hear anything in the air??
lol

Mine are noisy but not that noisy I can here them when my heli is flying around
Posted by rcnut on 03-10-2009 05:33 PM:
Almost finished the build. The servo are very fast on 4.8V (bench battery). Just received my Relion battery and reg, will be install it tonight.

I may not get the chance to test fly until next week, leaving thurs. night and return Sun. night.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by jsenicka on 03-10-2009 07:16 PM:
Picked up 3x DS620 last week for use in a T700N Night Bird I am building. Will run at 6.8 regulated.Jim Senicka
Team Manager, GrandRC Flight Team
Posted by LONEWOLF2440 on 03-10-2009 10:50 PM:
i just put some on my 600n i like them alotMIKADO LOGO 600 TREX 550
Posted by 4cyclic on 03-11-2009 12:49 AM:
I just put n 3x 620 in my 600N direct 2s, 12 flights so far, no problems. Great servos.Life is meaningful flying helis.
Posted by QuantumPSI on 03-11-2009 01:02 AM:
One more question about these servos... are they made by the same manufacturer that makes Align ESC, governor, BEC, and motors? Just curious....now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
Posted by GMPCOBRA on 03-11-2009 08:00 AM:
ive heard thay are good servos am getting a set for my 700 this week end and will most likly run them unregulated on 7.4 as i havent heard of anybody hurting them this way and the price is definatly right compared to the 8717 i baught for me 600.
Posted by JetFire on 03-11-2009 09:23 AM:
I also have the 610s on my 600N and it Rocks! The 620/Spartan combo is also rock solid. These servos are sickening quick and lots of torque to go with it. The only gripe I have is that the leads are a bit short and I had to get a 5 inch extention for the rear servo. Other than that, its the best bang for your buck no doubt. Mine has already survived two minor crashes since I've had it. Both times my plastic stock grips broke and the last one included some broken ball links. It appears that these are the breaking points so I'm not sure how well the servo will hold with metal grips. I also agree that they are a bit louder than your average servo but its not a big deal IMO.


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Posted by Regie on 03-11-2009 10:23 AM:
As I've mentioned I use 620 on the cyclic now with regulated 7.4 from a CC BEC and 3S. I use it in the 700's cyclic. If anyone is thinking of what servos to use for their cyclic, I'd say go for the 610 rather than the 620 to get more torque. Both are blindingly fast anyways. But I think the 620s will be fine on the 600's cyclic.
Posted by jsenicka on 03-11-2009 11:59 AM:
I don't get the more torque needed arguement, unless I discount the whole "CCPM uses the torque of all three servos" song...
The 620's are like 144 oz on 6 volt, and the 610 even more.
I am running 94758Z on two of my 700's with great success, and they are 115oz on 6v?
For that matter Alan ran those on his R90 mecahnical setup before he shifted brands.Jim Senicka
Team Manager, GrandRC Flight Team
Posted by rcnut on 03-11-2009 01:08 PM:
The 620's are rated sfor 10Kg/cm at 6.0V, which = 138.8 oz/in.
The 610's are rated sfor 12Kg/cm at 6.0V, which = 166.7 oz/in.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-11-2009 05:14 PM:
At this point I have just under 100 flights on the Align DS610's @ 8V on my 700 and they are rock solid.

If your thinking of getting them, they are a great choice.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by rcnut on 03-11-2009 09:10 PM:
I'm supprised more people arn't using them. Super fast, strong, and cheap!Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-11-2009 10:46 PM:
I'm supprised more people arn't using them. Super fast, strong, and cheap!
Uncertainty, people have not heard enough about them to "trust" them yet.

Even though they are not rated for 8V people want the 8V seal of approval with some longevity. Since nobody really has that much time on them my guess is that they are simply waiting for more reports to come in versus the few that have.

I know many, many people running them on 6V that are extremely happy so only time will tell.

Esprit Model is now offering them in combo's at a super price, so my guess is that you will start to see more and more show up.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by QuantumPSI on 03-11-2009 11:20 PM:
Uncertainty, people have not heard enough about them to "trust" them yet.
That's exactly the case with me. Based on what I've read here and other experiences, I am VERY weary of Align electronics. I will be HAPPILY surprised if these servos are as good as many say.

PS No one answered my previous question... the manufacturers who make these servos, are they the same ones who make align ESC's, BEC's, governors, etc.?...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
Posted by jake26 on 03-11-2009 11:52 PM:
the align servos are made by Savox. I'm not sure about the rest of the align elec.
Posted by jesse may on 03-12-2009 12:54 AM:
I too am waiting for what more people have to say about these servos. Very tempting to go and get a set. I'm currently using Fut 9252's with an Align regulator at 6v. Which many people told me not too but haven't had any problems. but now I want to go to 8v and do away with the regulator all together. So that leads me to my question. With a 8v set up what do you do about gyro? Can you run 8v through it? And should I just use a Align 620 servo for the tail?
Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-12-2009 01:50 AM:
Most new gyros are ok with 8V, the tail servos I would still be a bit weary about.

If your using an AR7100/7100R then you have nothing to worry about when it comes to gyro/tail servo. I have not used the 620 on the tail but others I know that have say it works well. I have only been running the 8900G on a regulated 5.4V

Not sure who makes the Align Gov's but the work great as well, BEC's and ESC's I'm not sure about but the ESC's seem to have always worked well for me as well.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by Tradhunt on 03-12-2009 04:17 AM:
I know its not an Align 700 but I'm running the 610's on my Odin 90 at 8v through a 7100R.

After reading a post that ASJ was using them with no issue and Mike Fortin post about running them with no issues in several thread's I thought I'd give it a try.

I'm still breking in the engine but no problems so far. I think if all goes good I'll change all over to 610's and 620's feed by a 2s lipo through a AR7100R.I don't crash... I land with style
Posted by HeliPhil on 03-12-2009 12:17 PM:
I have been running 620 on the cyclic on my 700 for 5 months - no problems, They each behave the same which is more than can be said for the 9252 servos that I took out....... I actually made on the exchange as I sold the 9252's for more than the 620's cost - Am I happy , you bet I am....
Posted by sinte on 03-12-2009 03:40 PM:
sweet! i got a set of 610's last month based on rumors that these were gonna be good. nice to hear all the positive feed back. i've got a set sitting on my hobby-table waiting for my next project...the Odin 90
Posted by Avropilot on 03-12-2009 05:10 PM:
I have been using the 610's on one of my 600n's since they first hit the market. I bought them off a international seller off ebay. That was about a year ago and have countless gallons/flights on them.

I also have 8717's on another 600 with the exact same setup. I can not tell the difference between the two. I run 6v on both. Same speed quickness and pop on both. I will never spend 130.00 for a JR servo again. I've heard complaints they are noisy, however I did not buy my helis to sit on the bench and listen to them. Maybe i'm the one with the problem and my engine is to loud.Waiting for parts
Posted by Blackhawk6 on 03-12-2009 09:54 PM:
Great point! Who cares how loud they are. I've have wanted them for awhile now. I going to pick some up soon. $$$$ is the only timer though.
Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-12-2009 10:08 PM:
Who cares how loud they are.
I hear nothing when I am flying.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by Jamin_00 on 03-13-2009 02:35 PM:
^^^^^ exactly what I say.
Posted by lightningrc on 03-13-2009 02:52 PM:
I was one of the people saying about them being noisy , not complaining it was just worrying to here them buzzing .

Im the same , ive had these servos along time in 3 of my heli's and there superb , just hope the price stays that way.
Posted by rcnut on 03-16-2009 09:01 PM:
I just bought 4 DS620 for my Outrage. I'm going to use one of them for the tail servo.

Hope to test fly my new 700N tonight right after work.Team Miniature Aircraft
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...Citizen 654!
Posted by jelkins on 03-28-2009 01:26 AM:
I have also been using the 620s on a 700 for about a month now with no problems. I decided to use them all around so there are 5 of them. I am running at 8v with the spektrum two channel step down for gyro and throttle.
Posted by audio131 on 03-29-2009 10:51 PM:
hi
i'm going to use the ds620 for a throttle servo.. 8717's @ 8v on cylics .also there is a big difference between the ds610 and the 8717, most important difference is quality jr has it locked in
Posted by baddynergy on 03-29-2009 11:07 PM:
I recieved a set of Align 610 servos friday. Installed them Sat. And took them off Sunday. They are way too "steppy" for me. You can literaly watch the swash chatter as it moves along its travel. I am going back to Ace ds1015s. Maybe I got a bed set, who knows. But electronics only get one shot with me, too much money in the air to worry about servo failure.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-30-2009 01:54 PM:
That's not the servos, try putting some triflow on your mainshaft.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by helirulz on 03-30-2009 02:40 PM:
That's not the servos, try putting some triflow on your mainshaft.
He already said that the servos are the same even with the links to the swash disconnected.
Its the same as what's happening on my InoLab D760MG servos. I couldn't stand them on the ground for being 'steppy', but i couldn't fault them in the air as well.
Posted by jsenicka on 03-30-2009 03:26 PM:
I have a set of DS620 I just set up in a Status. I saw them as "notchy" or "Steppy" as well. I have a set of ACE1313 digitals in a fixed wing and they are the same.
I thing the issue is a very, very narrow deadband and no load. If I put any pressure on the control surfaces of my Showtime 90 with the 1313 Ace servos, they get smooth. Yesterday I did same by loading the swash a bit with my hand on the Stratus with the 620's and it smooths out as well. My theory is the servo fights to find it's new desired position when unloaded, as it overshoots slightly and comes back. With a load it seeks new position in one go.Jim Senicka
Team Manager, GrandRC Flight Team
Posted by baddynergy on 03-30-2009 07:48 PM:
I thing the issue is a very, very narrow deadband and no load. If I put any pressure on the control surfaces of my Showtime 90 with the 1313 Ace servos, they get smooth. Yesterday I did same by loading the swash a bit with my hand on the Stratus with the 620's and it smooths out as well. My theory is the servo fights to find it's new desired position when unloaded, as it overshoots slightly and comes back. With a load it seeks new position in one go.
Interesting. When I put a simulated load (light finger pressure) the problem only gets worse. The bigger problem was it made it impossible to check for interaction.
That's not the servos, try putting some triflow on your mainshaft.
It is 100% the servos. Even with no linkage they do it. As I have said, this is a bird I have been flying for months with no problems.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Rockohaulic on 03-30-2009 09:38 PM:
I recieved a set of Align 610 servos friday. Installed them Sat. And took them off Sunday. They are way too "steppy" for me. You can literaly watch the swash chatter as it moves along its travel.
Hey bud - aren't you the one who taught me to go with tried-and-true! Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know
Posted by baddynergy on 03-30-2009 09:41 PM:
Hey bud - aren't you the one who taught me to go with tried-and-true!
uhm, uh yeah maybe..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Mike Fortin on 03-31-2009 12:45 AM:
It is 100% the servos. Even with no linkage they do it. As I have said, this is a bird I have been flying for months with no problems.
Sounds strange, with the many 610's that I have seen being flown this is the first I have heard of this.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by baddynergy on 03-31-2009 12:59 AM:
There have been many reports with the 410 doing this, I have also recieved several PMs from guys this happened too. So I know this is not an isolated case. Maybe a bad run came out, who knows. I will exchange them and see what happens. If I get 2 sets like this, I will be done. The worst thing is, I know from past experience with Savox servos in a plane they do not all behave like this.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Stolla on 03-31-2009 10:55 AM:
Maybe you should'nt look and listen to the servos on the bench but go fly them. I have 2 identical vbar machines, one on 8717's and one on 610's, there is absolutely no difference in the way they fly. Vstabi is very reliant on servo speed and power so thumbs up from me!Common sense may not be common after all
Posted by baddynergy on 03-31-2009 01:08 PM:
Maybe you should'nt look and listen to the servos on the bench but go fly them.
WOW, maybe I shouldn't bother doing a proper flight check either.
one on 610's, there is absolutely no difference in the way they fly.
And while setting up your V-bar did you just bolt them in and fly and not bother to get everything as good as you could on the bench. If your servos werent working perfectly would you really fly a V-barred heli? You have a LOT more expensive set up than I do.

These are bad servos ( the set I have). I will NOT just fly something I feel is a POS. Last time I did that I had a $50 battery cost me $300 in damages. Imagine the cost in damages if $175(all 3) in servos failing.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 03-31-2009 03:42 PM:
These are bad servos ( the set I have). I will NOT just fly something I feel is a POS. Last time I did that I had a $50 battery cost me $300 in damages. Imagine the cost in damages if $175(all 3) in servos failing.
Your bad experience doesn't equate to everyone else. Fine....you have bad servos. Does that mean the 3 DS 610 and the 4 DS 620 are all bad?? Should I return them before I totally lose my heli's??

How about everyone else that owns Align servos, should they return theirs as well??? What about all the problems with JR or Futaba?? Should we quit using them as well??

And what are the odds of ALL 3 "DS" servos failing exactly at the same time?? This would be a new spin on Murphy's Law.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by baddynergy on 03-31-2009 04:58 PM:
And what are the odds of ALL 3 "DS" servos failing exactly at the same time?? This would be a new spin on Murphy's Law.
Does not mean yours are bad. Mine are. If they are steppy and chattery IMHO I would say they are bad. I didnt say they would fail. I said they were impossible to set up properly, therefore will not get used.
Your bad experience doesn't equate to everyone else. Fine....you have bad servos. Does that mean the 3 DS 610 and the 4 DS 620 are all bad?? Should I return them before I totally lose my heli's??

How about everyone else that owns Align servos, should they return theirs as well??? What about all the problems with JR or Futaba?? Should we quit using them as well??
I certainly NEVER said "because mine are bad yours are too". If they behave the way mine do I would say YES they should all be returned. Let Align know shoddy electronics for cheap (even though specs are good) will not be tolerated, as with any companies product.

And believe me, if I ever had a Futaba or JR servo behave like this I would most certainly say so. The good thing is I am not sponsored say I CAN say my experience with this stuff.
Should I return them before I totally lose my heli's??
Your call. I dont tell ANYONE what to run. Its your money, not mine. If you are comfortable with them, enjoy..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Git on 03-31-2009 05:56 PM:
just butting in
ive got the ds610s running direct from a 2s lipo for the cyclic and regulated 5.2v ds620 for the rudder.

my cyclics does glitch on the bench.. sometimes just one sometimes all three. but i read sumwhr its because due to the high speed and voltage the electronics try too hard to find the centre and they overshoot. do not quote me.

once (just once out of maybe 50 flights) during a flight the cyclic went slightly haywire just after taking off for a hover. landed, cut engine, off and on tx/rx, restarted and it went away. never found out why though.

as off tonite, the ds620 coming off and will be replaced by an old 9253. it just wouldnt stop wagging no matter how. crashed hard last week, boom snapped in two. guess the 620 was hit hard. no physical damage to the exterior or tell tell signs of stripped gears.

im keeping the 610s on because 1. ive got no more servos 2. apart from dat 1 incidence, or on-the-bench glitches, they performed 100% no matter how hard i push them. 3. its on my practice heli so if it crashes (again and servo beyond economical repair) i have an excuse to buy n try the new savox/align servos that i heard is coming soon. hehe

my 0.2cAlees Rush 750
Posted by Stolla on 04-01-2009 08:35 AM:
Geewiz, never thought my simple comment will bring the blood to boil, look, what i meant is sometimes servos may sound weird and may look weird but when you fly they work extremely well. My 8717's "glitch" on the bench with the ar 7100 rx, lots of people have experienced this but seems it does not glitch in flight, perhaps the rx is too close to the tx on the bench who knows.
Good thing is we are all entitled do do as we please so if you want to throw out your aligns for something else good for you, my comment to go fly and not worry too much about behaviour on the bench is based on personal experience where bench behaviour does not neccessarily relay to flying.
One thing though i guess it's important to look at alternative causes that may cause steppiness, for one the rx resolution may be too low, for instance on spektrum ar 7000 resolution is half (1024) of ar 7100(2048), the higher the resolution the smoother the servo, obviously if the servo is matched. It would be interesting to get some data on type of equipment that relates to steppines.
Baddraptor what radio setup, regulator etc are you using, maybe we can find a tendency or compatibility issue here.Common sense may not be common after all
Posted by baddynergy on 04-01-2009 02:19 PM:
Baddraptor what radio setup, regulator etc are you using, maybe we can find a tendency or compatibility issue here.
9303 2.4, 921Rx, Scott grey Reactor reg, 3600mah lipo. It isnt and equipment issue IMHO. I run the same set up on all 3 of my 90s. Pix are in the gallery as far as electronic placement.

If its an incompatability issue, almost everyone would have the same complaints. As I have said in previous posts, I know Savox makes GOOD servos. I have used them in the past on a couple planes. I am certainly not new to RC been, flying for 30yrs (4 yrs heli). I have had bad electronis before, it happens. THese are bad (my set).
Geewiz, never thought my simple comment will bring the blood to boil, look, what i meant is sometimes servos may sound weird and may look weird but when you fly they work extremely well
Didnt get my "blood to boil". It was a weak comment that sounded like "dont bother to do a proper set-up, just fly". I am a perfectionist that likes to know about interactions and set up issues. I can get rid of any problems before ever flying. Never had an isse like this with ANY servo in all the time I have been flying.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 04-01-2009 02:36 PM:
I agree with you Stolla. It is my choice as to which manufacture I use, good or bad. I wanted to try the Savox/Align servos because of price, speed, and torque.

So far the set I have is working fine. Yes, I too have noticed a servo glitch on the workbench, could be due to working too hard or the type of receiver (AR9000). But this hasn't stopped me from using them.

I would like to see if these servos will become the alternitive to the over priced named brand. Let's face it, $200.00 for a servo that can run on a fully charged 2 cell LoPo (8.4V), with no regulator??

I guess....if you have that kind of money to throw away, why not.

I've had 5 flights so far on my Trex 700N with 3 Align DS610 on the cyclics. Due to a Dean's connector failure, my 700 crashed. It's almost fixed, and should be ready to test fly tomorrow / Friday, providing it doesn't snow......again!!!Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by baddynergy on 04-01-2009 03:04 PM:
Yes, I too have noticed a servo glitch on the workbench,
I think your misunderstanding my issue with the servos. IMHO a glitch is an intermittent twitch or so that happens OCCASIONALY. mine is a CONSTANT severe "notchiness" in the range of movement in the servo. It made set-up totally impossible. I could not even check for max pitch or cyclic without the servos (all 3) moving at least an 1/8 of an inch up and down. THey do this at rest or when moving the sticks. IMHO the set I have is totally unflyable.
I agree with you Stolla. It is my choice as to which manufacture I use, good or bad. I wanted to try the Savox/Align servos because of price, speed, and torque.
Your right. And I have said as much. But at the same time, in your first post, you asked for experiences good or bad with these servos. I posted my bad. In a thread asking about stuff like this, They take on a life of there own and doesnt always follow simply the OPs question. Sometimes they start following others experiences ad this one has. So dont get upset with a semi high jacking as it is STILL about the Align servo, just not only yours.
..if you have that kind of money to throw away, why not.
LOL, if I did not have "throw away money", as in money that cannot be spent in much wiser ways like true investment, I would not be in this hobby.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 04-01-2009 03:36 PM:
But at the same time, in your first post, you asked for experiences good or bad with these servos. I posted my bad.
Yes I did and apparently I misunderstood the way you were expressing yourself, sorry.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by Stolla on 04-03-2009 08:05 AM:
Baddraptor, just to rule out any compatibility issues have you tried using a std 4.8v nicad instead of the SG regulator?
Btw if you described the steppiness at first to be so severe that you can't set up pitch and cyclic i wouldn't have made the statement that gave you the impression you should'nt bother about setting up your heli......or whichever way you want to read it.
So who else has this problem with the align (savox)servos. The fact that they provide the option to get 8717 performance at a fraction of the cost is the real attraction but if there are problems or compatibility issues it would surely help to be aware of them. It's not about throw -away money cause if you do you won't have any

rcnut what's with the dean connectors, it's not the first i've heard of, could you explain in more detail.Common sense may not be common after all
Posted by Mike Fortin on 04-03-2009 01:59 PM:
I'm at 150 flights plus with the DS610's and there are no issues.

Brushless 8v servos are not that far away now either.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by rcnut on 04-03-2009 03:23 PM:
Stolla
I tried to make an "Arming" switch, like that of MPI's (before I knew MPI had an arming switch setup). Only my arming switch has no wires other than the jumper wire to turn on and off the heli.

I took two Dean's, male and female, and clamped them side-by-side in a vice. Then soldered a third, female Dean's, to the other two, making this a very ridged connection, allowing for no room to move.
This was probably my first mistake. Had I used some wire, like that of MPI, this problem would have never happened.

How I was able to get 5 flights this way is beyond me. This time I ordered an Arming switch from MPI.

This whole problem started with trying to make some type of on/off switch. I used Fromco's Sahara regulator instead of the Arizona. The Sahara doesn't have an on/off switch connector like that of the Arizona.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by CoronaL on 04-03-2009 09:25 PM:
2S straight lipo into AR7100 non R Rx. About 8 flights on my TREX700 with the DS610's on cyclic(at 8.4) and throttle(reg to 5.3)Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by D-fly on 04-03-2009 09:49 PM:
I have been flying 620 on my 600NP cyclic and I must say I am impress. They replaced 8717s and did just as well.

I will be putting together my 2nd 700 in a month and using the 610 servos. My 1st 700 has 8717 so this should be a good comparison.

Reading this topic post did give me some added confidence.

Thanks
Posted by Blackhawk6 on 04-03-2009 11:02 PM:
[quote] Reading this topic post did give me some added confidence. Me too!
Posted by baddynergy on 04-03-2009 11:23 PM:
Ok, I got my replacement set yesterday. Exact same as the first. Unable to use these as well. Unfortunatly, now my supplier want give a full refund (just lost a customer). Anybody want a set of 3 Align 610s, never mounted. Will take $175+shipping.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Jamin_00 on 04-04-2009 09:45 AM:
You just said they a bad set also,I'll give you $17

If they are bad again as you say I would take them back on the heli and show them and make sure I get the money back.

You sure got some bad luck with them.
Posted by Wa11banger on 04-04-2009 10:33 AM:
I put a set of 610's in my T700 last week, replacing a set of S9451's as I was suspecting my elevator servo was loosing center.

They were drop in and fly on except for the few clicks of subtrim I had to remove on the elevator (which was already suspect) and some de-tweaking in the linkage compensation menu. After going through a lot of setup in the linkage compensation menu originally for the 9451's, I found I had to remove most of it for the 610's. (I am not Futaba Bashing I love my 9451's) But I was very surprised to have to take out any changes here, I really would have figured it was configuration not the servo that dictated this settings. Anyway the changes made brought it closer to zero than the original 9451 servos in the airframe.

I read this thread a few times before I ordered them but thought what the hell they are inexpensive enough to at least try. I will tell you this for bench performance they are a hit. I don't have any stepping or notchyness they are smooth as butta! I put on my swash leveler and setup for center, had to remove some elevator sub trim.. I then ran it to top and bottom noticed I had some air on the Pitch servo arm at top, 2 clicks EP adustment there and no discrepancies at the bottom.

Put the head back on and pitch throws were exactly the same so no changes there. Took it out flying it performed flawlessly, No issues, no real changes other than they are slightly quicker than the 9451 and amazingly I could feel it.. I wouldnt of thought that I could but it was evident.

Now with successful bench run and a flights on them I was trying to think what would cause a notchy servo movement.. Bad servos for sure, but two sets of bad servos is hard to get unless the whole line is bad and mine are not notchy so whole line is not bad.

I ended up trying a few things to replicate a notchy setup but it wasn't easy to duplicate. Because I have them in a T700 and on the QUK servo wheels I could not easily mess with mechanical advantage, if someone is using their own wheel dimensions for another airframe and has the "notchy" behavior please post ball to center measurements so I can try to recreate it there too. So anyway, I dove into the radio and I found only one way to make my servos semi-notchy. If I increased the end points above 130% of servo travel and decreased the pitch percentage in the swash menu I could cause them to exhibit some steppy behavior. Especially when near the top or the bottom of the pitch scale and adding either elevator or aileron. But that is the only way I could make them notchy. As soon as I put the endpoints back to 100% (except elevator was at 102% for top of swash travel) everything returned to normal and there was no notchy behavior in the servos. I can go fast or super slow and the servos simply follow my stick movement.

I can easily see myself loving these 610's if they stand the survival litmus test for longevity. Especially for the price, if they wear within the same experience as other servos I can see these being my new very fast friends..

Oh last thing I forgot all of the testing was only done at 6 volts.. I dont run at 8 volts so I couldnt help ya there.

Just my .02
RickProud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
Posted by Tradhunt on 04-04-2009 10:38 AM:
Wow sorry to hear about you're bad luck with the servo's Baddraptor. I just got my 2nd set installed and no issue's they are really good servo's.

But you never know when you'll get a bad batch.

I'm running unregulated about 20-25 flight so far on the 1 set. I just finished my 2nd set install so no time on them yet.

I wouldn't mind trying out the upper line Hitec's on 8v. I'll have to pick some of them up and give them a shot.I don't crash... I land with style
Posted by helirulz on 04-04-2009 11:35 AM:
the problem isn't whether that are a bad set of servos or not.

Its gotta do with the compatability of the setup. It probably doesn't like a certain setup eg. Spektrum VS FASST or 1024 VS 2048 resolution.
Posted by Wa11banger on 04-04-2009 03:04 PM:
Helirulz

Good call, another bit of info on my setup.. 12Z FASST 8Ch 2048, regulated 6voltsProud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
Posted by baddynergy on 04-04-2009 03:07 PM:
Its gotta do with the compatability of the setup
If thats the case, what should I change?
It is on 2048 res. x9303tx with Jr 921 Rx. I have tried 6v, 6.8v and unregulated.
I have tried Ar7000, ar71000r, and 921 recievers. In order to change anything to suit a servo, its going to cost more than the set of servos themselvs.

My endpoints are all at 100% with 0 subtrim and swash menu at 60. I am out of ideas for these things. I have already put the Ace servos back in and she is perfect once again.
If they are bad again as you say I would take them back on the heli and show them and make sure I get the money back.
Would love to do that but they are mailordered..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by Wa11banger on 04-04-2009 03:17 PM:
badraptor,

did you start with a fresh "test" model in your radio to make sure all tweaks were out of it? Just wondering, I had to take my stuff pretty far out of spec to get it to even start to exhibit signs of becoming notchy or have steps.. It still wasnt chattering the swashplate but it was different responding.Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
Posted by baddynergy on 04-04-2009 03:25 PM:
did you start with a fresh "test" model in your radio to make sure all tweaks were out of it?
Not with the first set, but I did with the replacement set just to make sure. If it is something in the rest of my set-up for the life of me I cant figure it out. I run pretty much the exact same equipment everyon else does. The replacement set has only been hooked up to a Rx to check for the notchiness. I am thinkin the shop I got them from get a few bad sets. They were bought in a bundle of 3 not individually, marked "not for invidual sale".**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by helirulz on 04-04-2009 03:43 PM:
I dont run any Align servos but I've got 2 sets of InoLab servos that does exactly the same thing with 'steppy' movement. I've got it running on a 12FG FASST running 2048resolution on the R608FS but I'm gonna try a R617FS 1024resolution 2.4ghz rx and also on PCM G3 with R5114DPS receiver.

I'm pretty sure its a compatibility issue so I'll report back on Monday
Posted by Mike Fortin on 04-04-2009 06:28 PM:
Not sure what this "steppy" movement is about, kinda weird.

With over 150 flights on the DS610's running at 8V mine aren't "steppy" at all.

I was checking them out today at the field to see if I could replicate this but no luck.

I did have something similar but it was due to a dry mainshaft, a little triflow on it and everything was perfect.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by 6983868850 on 04-04-2009 11:38 PM:
glitches
installed 3x ds610 on my 700 for cycli, when i maidened i noticed a little swash movement caused by one servo, hovered for a while and the heli jumped up and jown violently so i did not took any more chances and landed.

inspection came out with one servo acting like crazy when i placed a hex screwdriver on the rear side.

the other two servos are fine.

i then installed my electronics a bit different and tried to secure any other posibilities of failure but still the same effect!!

any ideas or advices are kindly accepted.

rx ar9000 with two sats.kmiglis Get airborne..!!!!! TDRigid
Posted by Regie on 04-04-2009 11:41 PM:
Yes! Put it back on it's case and return to sender with a copy of the receipt.
Posted by Wa11banger on 04-05-2009 03:37 AM:
badraptor, wow sounds like kit pulls. Not that it should matter a servo is a servo but thinking you are getting two sets of bad ones back to back or at all for that matter would upset ones confidence. I dont have near the number of flights on mine that Mike does but so far so good. I am very pleased with them and thankful I did not have your experience.

Would love to hear your results helirulz.. I am out of options to go forward or backwards in compatibility except I guess for voltage I think I can step up to 8v without any trouble but I dont think it would improve what I have.

RickProud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, & KBDD team
Posted by rcnut on 04-06-2009 03:31 PM:
baddraptor,

My current setup: JR 9303 2.4GHz, AR9000, 3 DS610's, Sahara reg set to 6.0V.

Saturday, after rebuild, put 3 flights on my 700. It flew great!Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by baddynergy on 04-06-2009 03:36 PM:
RCNUT

when did you buy your servos?? Were they marked "not for individual sale"?

There is another post in the radio servo forum with the same issue I was having. Wonder if a few bad ones slipped out.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 04-06-2009 05:37 PM:
I did a combo order from GrandRC. They came in Align plastic boxes, sealed with Align stickers on the lid. No mention of "not for resale".

The place you bought them from must have done something to the packaging or got them from some other supplier.....

A friend of mine just got his 700 with Align DS610 servo from GrandRC, same as what I got Align plastic boxes, sealed with Align stickers on the lid.

I also bought 4 Align DS620's for my Outrage from GrandRC, Align plastic boxes, sealed with Align stickers on the lid.

Where/who did you order your servo from?????Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by CoronaL on 04-06-2009 06:38 PM:
RCNut got his servos about 3 weeks or so ago. Mine are from last fall/winter timeframe. Plus 2 more sets since then with no problems like you're experiencing at least that I can tell.

I put my swash leveler on my 2nd Rex700 last night to recheck somethings. I was able to use epa to get rid of some interaction at full negative collective just fine. A few points and she was golden.

I'm at a loss to explain what it could be for your setup. I've tried in the past. JR 8717's, Hitec 5245(I think-they were a cheaper digital metal gear servo), Futaba 9252's and BLS451's, Airtronics 94758's, and now these Align servos for cyclics. The JR's for ME personally were a waste of $. They may be the cat's meow for alot of people, but at my skill level I can't tell a difference, except in the wallet. My favorite servo's continue to be the Futaba Brushless, but for the $ these Aligns are great. I'm running regulated DS620's in my Outrage 550 at 7.2v. DS610's in my Rex700 at straight 2s lipo through an AR7100 Rx, and have DS610's at 6v regulated in a 600ESP build I've yet to fly. I've since recommended these servos to several friends including RCNut, and our Friend Matt who just got a Rex700 , and DS610's.

So far I can find no fault in these servos other than they are a bit noisey on the bench with geartrain noise. Other than that, they are very fast, strong and seem to center very well. Time will continue to tell if they hold up etc..

I'm eager to try the Savvox brushless servos when they hit the market, maybe Align will rebrand those as well. Good excuse to buy another heli right To test more servos haha!!! Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by rcnut on 04-06-2009 07:14 PM:
Coronal

THis time I will keep my big mouth shut! Around the wife...that is!Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by CoronaL on 04-06-2009 07:16 PM:
lol
yeah no more "He's got 2 Aurora's" at dinner OK???

I will say I do think the Aurora does deserve premium servos. Those brushless Futabas in my new Aurora look like great servos to me Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by rcnut on 04-06-2009 07:45 PM:
I can't wait for the first test flight. I would like to see how those BLS 252's feel.

OOOK, no more "he has 2 Aurora's!" It's a good thing I didn't mention your heli account balance! That would of left a mark for sure!LOLTeam Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by CoronaL on 04-06-2009 07:48 PM:
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRandy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by theflyingman2 on 04-08-2009 10:11 PM:
Me and a friend both have the align 620 servos all around on our trex 600NSP. they work flawlessly. I will be getting more.
Posted by rcnut on 04-09-2009 02:53 PM:
baddraptor
I checked all 7 Align servo cases and none of them says "not for resale", couldn't find anything like that anywhere on the case.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by sasa on 05-06-2009 09:55 AM:
servo 620 burn
ok I just read all but for me the 3 servo at swash level were burn so easy I just switch reciver on while main blade still fix in tail boom to let engine warm up for 60 second and after that they are very hot and not working at all .

SASA
Posted by helirulz on 05-06-2009 11:01 AM:
any brand of servos would have burned out if you pulled off a stunt like that
Posted by LONEWOLF2440 on 05-06-2009 11:43 AM:
Mine still going strongMIKADO LOGO 600 TREX 550
Posted by sasa on 05-06-2009 12:04 PM:
it is Align servo 620
Posted by baddynergy on 05-06-2009 02:14 PM:
the 3 servo at swash level were burn so easy I just switch reciver on while main blade still fix in tail boom to let engine warm up for 60 second and after that they are very hot and not working at all
And the should have burned up. They were stalled for 60 seconds. ANY servo would have fried like that. I personally do not like the align servos but this failure is clearly your fault..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by John Major Paul Macha on 05-06-2009 02:58 PM:
Well moderators or no moderators there is (IMO) still a lot of distasteful things that occur on RR that seem to slip through the net.
That's it. Have look the price of REWARD at my picture. The is just and just 500USD. Why ? RR have left side - advertising. If there is real not false adds, the Mark income will be enough to put there even USD 5000. USD 500 is just joke proving that the big adds form big companies is pure trick to get new companies. Situation with members is same. False counters in order to prove the number of visitors with goal to get money for adds.

hootowl: Spent your energy here is more secure for you: http://www.ceskyholky.cz/
I guess its the same guy selling stuff on EBay? Feedback rating is pretty good, states member resides in Czech Republic and goods shipped from USA, same guy?
That's it- there is more then 2000 conversions sold with perfect feedback. Look here my bad, very bad name crated by Mark, TaleGunner and other ****ty people around Mark and this server. Good people are already gone from Runryder. My name here is bad, even worse than bad! But how come people buying thousands of my conversions from many dealers? Posting positive feedbacks on Ebay, sending pictures to my gallery ? http://gasser man.com/gallery/index.html
Reason is so simple: Runryder is NOTHNING on the time, when buyer making decision what to buy and where from to buy. This is clear message to all advertisers: Don't play stupid game, don't spent your money advertising on Runryder - is just lost money! The influence of Run Ryder to public is ZERO.

That's it boys, this is the "popular" RR on nova days runned by electrician who does not know what the helicopter really is about..
Logically no? What we can expect??
Posted by baddynergy on 05-06-2009 03:09 PM:
^^^ This thread is about the Align servos. If you have nothing to add about the Align servo, PLEASE STAY THE HE!! OFF THIS THREAD and dont get it closed with your political BS. thank you..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 05-06-2009 04:19 PM:
So far I have 27 flights on my 700 with the Align 620 servos. I have to say they are working great! The noise they make is getting quieter.

I like the punch power they have, and the power consumption isn't that bad. I'm getting 8 to 10 flights per charge on a Relion 5200 battery.

baddraptor,

I wonder if Mark (RR) could just erase/delete "john major paul....." reply from this thread?? That way it won't be closed.

Just a thought.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by baddynergy on 05-06-2009 04:36 PM:
the power consumption isn't that bad. I'm getting 8 to 10 flights per charge on a Relion 5200 battery.
Not bad on the consumption. Now you have to take 2 gallons of fuel instead of one to wear out your batteries..**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by rcnut on 05-06-2009 06:07 PM:
I get 13 flights on my 600 with same type and size battery.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by f penfold on 05-06-2009 07:14 PM:
I've got 620 on my 700 had 8915s on there before but wanted to experiment with cheaper servos . I running them direct from the ar7100r rx to cyclics and throttle so far so good about 25 flights on them now and i have been hard on themI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by cation3 on 05-07-2009 03:07 AM:
. I running them direct from the ar7100r rx to cyclics
...And you're running them on 8.4V (initial fully charged 2s lipo)?

How many others are doing this? While my 2nd AR7100R is at Horizon for ~20 business days, I picked up another and may have to field a 2nd 90 (3rd AR7100R) when it gets back. I've been wondering if there were any alternatives to the 8717/BLS451/new HiTec at 8V....

Thanks,
-Drew

ps: That was Horizon's estimated turn-around time for my glitching Rx...
Posted by eckman on 05-07-2009 10:40 AM:
can someone explain me, I don't understand why you have to run servo on 7.2, 7.4 or 8 volt. as the spec of servo say 0.08 on 6V and I think it fast enough and I have to turn expo on. Please someone show me a good point of more voltage to servo rater than what recommended.KASAMA SRIMOK90, KASAMA SRIMOK CYBER, T-REX700 WITH KASAMA UPGREAD, ADK Flybarless Conversion.
Posted by Regie on 05-07-2009 01:25 PM:
...And you're running them on 8.4V (initial fully charged 2s lipo)?

How many others are doing this?
I'm running mine on a regulated 7volts via CC BEC.

Allan S. Jr. himself on his 700 and I've read some others. I didn't see Allan's heli but he posted it at HF about it.
Posted by Regie on 05-07-2009 01:28 PM:
can someone explain me, I don't understand why you have to run servo on 7.2, 7.4 or 8 volt. as the spec of servo say 0.08 on 6V and I think it fast enough and I have to turn expo on. Please someone show me a good point of more voltage to servo rater than what recommended.
Rather than what's recommended is something at my own risk. It's my money. It's my servo.

Oh and I'm not happy with .08 with the way I hover.
Posted by Mike Fortin on 05-07-2009 02:13 PM:
Please someone show me a good point of more voltage to servo rater than what recommended.
Faster speeds, more torque,Quicker reaction timesHave Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by eckman on 05-07-2009 02:18 PM:
Rather than what's recommended is something at my own risk. It's my money. It's my servo.
OK, I understand it your money your own risk and your servo but just want to know what you benefit from hifh voltage to servo?
you run 6v you will have 0.08sec and 12kg
so you run 8v you will have 0.04sec and 16kg right?
Just want to know,KASAMA SRIMOK90, KASAMA SRIMOK CYBER, T-REX700 WITH KASAMA UPGREAD, ADK Flybarless Conversion.
Posted by Regie on 05-07-2009 03:16 PM:
you run 6v you will have 0.08sec and 12kg
so you run 8v you will have 0.04sec and 16kg right?
Just want to know
I have no idea. I don't have any special tools here to test the output. But I'm pretty sure it's faster and stronger than what's rated for.

I did two videos on the DS610 on my Trex700. First video with 6volts coming from the Align 2in1 and 2nd video with 7.3 volts supplied by the CC BEC. It's just a cellphone vid but let me try to find those vids to show you how much stronger they where during the "swash test".

Edit: I can't find the vids. Sorry.
Posted by f penfold on 05-07-2009 03:48 PM:
with the ar7100 you dont have to run a bec its all one unit and it tidys up your wire no end one less thing to go wrongI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by rcnut on 05-07-2009 10:38 PM:
eckman,
can someone explain me, I don't understand why you have to run servo on 7.2, 7.4 or 8 volt. as the spec of servo say 0.08 on 6V and I think it fast enough
I'm running my 600/700/& Aurora on regualated 6.0V.
and I have to turn expo on.
I don't use expo, for me it's just fine.
Please someone show me a good point of more voltage to servo rater than what recommended.
Yea, like everyone said....more power (torque) and speed (faster). Some people are just speed freaks, nothing wrong with that. Others is because they can.Team Miniature Aircraft
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Posted by eckman on 05-07-2009 10:51 PM:
how can I know, what the voltage servo can take? Say DS610. As I don't want to see servo sleep in the air. KASAMA SRIMOK90, KASAMA SRIMOK CYBER, T-REX700 WITH KASAMA UPGREAD, ADK Flybarless Conversion.
Posted by raptorheli2 on 05-07-2009 10:54 PM:
i have a pair of exactly the same trex 700's with 8717 servos. one of them is regulated to 6v and the other i tried with the full 8v. there was so little a difference, if any i just put them both to 6.2v and i'll live with the longer life and less heat.

both helis will crack easily and have same pop so i decided not to risk it as i already had a reg on there.

i have never tried the align servos but on the to do list.

cheers
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Posted by CoronaL on 05-07-2009 10:55 PM:
re: point of using more voltage:
I've considered that using straight 2S lipo for my cyclic servos may put more strain on the servos over the long term. HOWEVER, you are also eliminating one potential source of failure along the way in regards to the regulator. If your regulator fails, then you lose everything in control. These Align servos have shown themselves to be robust in the demands of hard flying and on 2S lipos. I think the limiting factor frankly is Align service typically sucks. If you get a bad servo, you are at the mercy of your retailer where you bought from. Hopefully they can accomodate you. Most good e-tailers I'm sure would help to a point. I doubt you'll get JR 3yr service though, but then again the servos cost considerably less as well.

For me, I'm very very happy with my DS610's on straight 2s lipo.Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by cation3 on 05-07-2009 11:49 PM:
For me, I'm very very happy with my DS610's on straight 2s lipo.
So, how long have you been running them on 2S? How many flights?

For me the reason for 2S straight to the servos is as "f penfold" said: it gives a cleaner, simpler install. Sure, it is combining multiple points of (potential) failure into one single unit, but it reduces weight, simplifies wiring and (less important to me) makes the servos perform better - assuming they don't fail.

-Drew
Posted by CoronaL on 05-08-2009 01:33 AM:
I have about 30 flights so far on that heli.Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by cation3 on 05-08-2009 03:38 AM:
Thank you, sir.

-Drew
Posted by f penfold on 05-08-2009 07:03 AM:
same here now 30 flight and no problems so far .I know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by rcnut on 05-08-2009 02:57 PM:
For me, I'm happy at 6.2V. The gain at 8.0V isn't that significant. You need to remember, a 7.4V LiPo charged is around 8.4V. But this won't last too long. Maybe for 2-5 minutes... So with that, what are you really gaining at 7.8V?? A whole 0.6V more?? Not enough to make a significant difference, IMHO.Team Miniature Aircraft
"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
...Citizen 654!
Posted by Mike Fortin on 05-08-2009 03:02 PM:
With the use of a Spektrum 7100/R it makes running an 8V system super easy. The less things that you have in line the less that can fail or go wrong.

The ease of not having a big regulator hanging off the heli is a huge plus for me.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by CoronaL on 05-08-2009 03:05 PM:
Ray,
My point was not that I need anything faster or anything. You've seen me fly, I couldn't outfly 9252's at this point. My take on striaght 2s to the servos is the advantage of simplified wiring, and one less point of failure in the regulator. I would also say that 8.4v would last more than 2-5 minutes on a Lipo of >3000mah capacity with a low 3-4amp average draw. It will slowly decrease over the span of flights, so I don't consider vdroop to be an issue.

I realize regulators don't fail left and right, but connections do. I think you can sympathize there. Less connections=better IMO. KISS holds alot of water IMO with heli's.

Now this is just how my warped mind works, and doesn't make me RIGHT etc... Just a preference. I realize regulated voltage at 6 or 6.8v has it's benefits too. I like Beer. You like Jamacian midget strippers named Guidomacca. I dunno Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by baddynergy on 05-08-2009 03:47 PM:
An added battery scenario, is to run an a123 battery pack that has a nominal voltage of 6.6v and lasts forever. Eliminating theneed for a reg when running the ar7100. Then cyclic servos would be at a safer voltage for longevity.**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
Posted by CoronaL on 05-08-2009 04:04 PM:
agreed
I have some A123's I'm planning to use on my Aurora with BLS Futaba servos.Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by f penfold on 05-10-2009 06:06 PM:
another 10 flights on them to day thats 40 so far no problems yetI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by eckman on 05-10-2009 07:38 PM:
another 10 flights on them to day thats 40 so far no problems yet
Is there nobody on the field? How you manage to get 10 flight. I only can do 5 flight....KASAMA SRIMOK90, KASAMA SRIMOK CYBER, T-REX700 WITH KASAMA UPGREAD, ADK Flybarless Conversion.
Posted by f penfold on 05-10-2009 07:58 PM:
There was 3 of us there today if you can beleave that I not only had 10 on the 700 but had about 5 of the 600 went through two tanks less than two gallons was at the field from 10am till about 545 getting the flights in while we canI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by Blackhawk6 on 05-10-2009 08:54 PM:
From what I've seen here there isn't to many probs reported yet. Is it just that people are just scared of using Align servos. A buddy I fly with got them a couple months ago an he is still going strong. I think he's got about 10 or so flights. I'm still look'n forward to pick'n up a set for my 600. Those "stats" are just to awesome. Now when I look at other servos I compare them to the Align ones, as far as torque and speed.
Posted by rcnut on 05-10-2009 09:34 PM:
Just got home from the flying field. I normally get 10 - 12 flights per session.
If you stop and think about your flight times,
Is there nobody on the field? How you manage to get 10 flight. I only can do 5 flight....
on average, 8 minute flights X 12 = 96 minutes, or 1 hour and 36 minutes. With 3 people, thats 4 hours and 48 minutes of total flying.

The way we fly, one goes up and when finished, the next person goes up, then the third. We keep going like that for a couple of hours, take a break, then start again. It's not hard to go flying for 5 hours om Saturday. However, today it's windy (30 MPH), so only two flights today.

Now that I have a set of Align servos in my heli, all my heli's will have them as they go bad, or need replacing.Team Miniature Aircraft
"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
...Citizen 654!
Posted by Akan on 05-12-2009 07:39 AM:
Does any one running 8V @Futaba R617FS 7-Channel Receiver?
Posted by rcnut on 05-12-2009 01:55 PM:
I got off of work early yesterday, went to the flying field and was able to get in 9 flights. 4 with the 700 and 5 with my Aurora. I started at 1:00 Pm and finished at 5:300 Pm.Team Miniature Aircraft
"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
...Citizen 654!
Posted by CoronaL on 05-12-2009 02:17 PM:
I got off of work early yesterday, went to the flying field and was able to get in 9 flights. 4 with the 700 and 5 with my Aurora. I started at 1:00 Pm and finished at 5:300 Pm.
first of all. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gives a rats behind about your Aurora. I mean pfft, what a POS. Second, if you're going to fly at the field, the least you can do is fly with your buddy who hasn't been released from prison aka "marriage" for weeks to go flying. Third, thanks for helping me tune the motor and lend an ear, it was good to talk

4th, you know I drool over the Aurora, so help me finish mine so we can be the Super Aurora Twins at the field. We can get goofy gumball rings and say "Super Aurora Twin powers activate" Form of Programmable head, or Form of slipping Sprague gear hehe Randy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by CoronaL on 05-12-2009 02:18 PM:
Does any one running 8V @Futaba R617FS 7-Channel Receiver?
I don't think the Futaba's like much higher than 7v if I'm not mistaken. I think someone was running 2s A123's as I recall, BUT I could be wrong. I'm almost positive a straight 2S lipo is a NO NORandy!!! I am the liquor
Posted by rcnut on 05-12-2009 02:43 PM:
first of all. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gives a rats behind about your Aurora. I mean pfft, what a POS.
POOR BABY ........ POS??? Ah last I checked, there's one Aurora just sitting around in your basement
Second, if you're going to fly at the field, the least you can do is fly with your buddy who hasn't been released from prison aka "marriage" for weeks to go flying.
I would have asked...... However, I remember the last conversation we had at dinner about your "2" Aurora's in front of your wife! Opps!
Third, thanks for helping me tune the motor and lend an ear, it was good to talk
That's what friends are for! I'm alway there to help and listen.
4th, you know I drool over the Aurora, so help me finish mine so we can be the Super Aurora Twins at the field.
All you have to do is bring it over and poof! It's built! No secret squirrel decoder ring needed

Now, stop spending your time reading this, go home, grab your helis and your Aurora. Drop off the Aurora at my house, bore me with finite details of how you want it built (then I'll do it my wayLOL). Now shut-up and lets go flying!Team Miniature Aircraft
"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
...Citizen 654!
Posted by Akan on 05-13-2009 06:29 AM:
[/quote]I don't think the Futaba's like much higher than 7v ... [quote]
CoronaL, I agree and thank you for your reply.
Posted by myaces on 05-19-2009 05:57 AM:
I just installed the DS620's in a 600 and they look perfect on the bench and needed barely any subtrim but when I hold the swash with the up and down movement it does feel steppy. I'm not worried about it as the servo's still line up perfect with a swash leveler at all positions but it does seem a little weird.

Anyone figure this out yet? I should get a few flights on them soon and will report back on how they do in the air.~Team Collective Mayhem
Posted by rcnut on 05-19-2009 01:45 PM:
Mine felt that way on the bench, but after a couple of flights.....there fine.Team Miniature Aircraft
"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
...Citizen 654!
Posted by Phoenix_8 on 05-23-2009 05:44 AM:
Align DS610...
can survive a hard crash -I have three from a Vibe 50 that I planted last weekend and they still work.

After reading this thread, I may try running them from an AR7100r (unregulated) that I had just purchased. It seems that some of you have had good experiences with these on a 2S lipo.

Mike Fortin has more than 50 flights with no issues, right?

Did I miss it, or has no one fried one of these servos yet on that set up?

Thanks guys.
Posted by majestic12 on 05-23-2009 06:22 AM:
straight from the horses mouth
- Align T-REX 600N 700N
-- T-REX 700N align ds610 with spektrum ar7100r??

Topic: http://www.runryder.com/t488173p1/
Post: http://www.runryder.com/p3993562/ Alan Szabo Jr 01-23-2009 01:00 AM

servos
I've got about 100 flights on the 610 servos on straight 2s. The factory is currently doing a cycle life test for me to compare the 6v test to. They do not recommend using the 8v just because they really havent been designed for this but either were the 8717s. Its use at your own risk

Alan Szabo Jr.

TREX 700N Flybarless
HF:STMPNGRND
Posted by f penfold on 05-23-2009 10:03 AM:
thats good newsI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by Mike Fortin on 05-23-2009 12:47 PM:
Mike Fortin has more than 50 flights with no issues, right?
I actually have over 150 flights now, and now have them on my flybarless 700.

The servos have been flawless since day 1.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
Posted by LONEWOLF2440 on 05-23-2009 01:02 PM:
Im gona put them in a vision 50 and run them on 8 voltsMIKADO LOGO 600 TREX 550
Posted by GMPCOBRA on 05-24-2009 08:46 PM:
i have the 610 in my 700 fly great just as good as my 8717 servos but am running boolth on crack. no issues at all and verry impressed with the performance of the 700 with the 610 servos. might sell the 8717 in my 600 and buy more 610s
Posted by TmMugen on 05-25-2009 02:13 PM:
Second that..Cheap and good servo..!!
Posted by myaces on 05-27-2009 12:28 AM:
Well, I finally got a great weekend to try out the 620's and I'm simply amazed at how much better my 600 flies now. I'm only running them on 6V but they are awesome.

They might be too good, I was pushing the 600 a little too hard and ended up shearing off the tail section by slamming it into the ground. The servos seem to have held up just fine in the crash even though when I walked up the the heli they were under a lot of load based on the sound they were making.

These are pretty loud on the bench too but I'll take them, for the price you just can't beat it.~Team Collective Mayhem
Posted by HiroboFreak on 07-01-2009 11:32 PM:
Anyone using a DS620 on the tail @ 8v? (AR7100R)

How's it holding up?T-rex700n VBar 5.3 Pro | T-rex700e DFC VBar 5.3 Pro | JR DSX9
Team RCBits | Team Lynx
Posted by jelkins on 07-01-2009 11:46 PM:
I am using 5 DS620's on my 700 with an ar7100 - the throttle and rudder are stepped down through the ar7100 but the 3 for the swash are at 8v. This is my backup machine and I probably have at least 5 gallons through it with no problems.
Posted by LonR on 08-27-2009 06:32 PM:
Just a FYI,the notchy in the servos seems to come from the radio.Im still learning so i'll do the best I can to explain this .I just bought a brand new set of Align DS610 and a new Spektrum DX7 to replace my Hitec HS-5975HB's and FM futaba 7CHP.I got the Servos 2 days before the radio so I started installing the servos in my heli to set them up.Got everything on and when going up and down with the left stick the servos would jump a tiny bit whenever I moved the left stick.Got my new DX7 yesterday and hooked it up and the notchy was gone .Got to thinking so hooked my Futaba back up and the notchy was back.Got the thinking again and took the back off the radio and flipped the metal part (don't know what its called but its for airplanes) so the smooth side was on the part with teeth.But the back of the radio back on and the notchy in the servos was gone .I had the left stick in my futaba nice and smooth but I guess with the bracket still rubbing on the teeth it was enough to make the servos seem a tad bit jumpy/notchy.Just for the hell of it I flipped the metal bar back over and made the left stick kinda notchy.When I did that the servos were soooo notchy when I moved the left stick up and down my eyes couldn't keep up with the swash cause it looked like you were hitting one of them wooden paddles really fast,the ones with the small ball with the rubber band on it.Man if that rubber ban broke my mom would save that wooden paddle and whoop my azz with it so im sure some of you guys know what im talking about .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by LonR on 08-27-2009 06:36 PM:
O-yeah,Im about to go out and try these bad boys out and i'll report back.As long as I can beat the rain .

Today: Cloudy with a few showers. High 69F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

Tonight: Cloudy with a few showers. Low near 60F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

Tomorrow: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. High 67F. Winds ENE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.

Tomorrow night: Showers with a possible thunderstorm in the evening, then variable clouds overnight with still a chance of showers. Low 61F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%.

Saturday: Morning clouds followed by afternoon sun. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the mid 50s.

Sunday: Mix of sun and clouds. Highs in the low 60s and lows in the low 50s.

Monday: Partly cloudy. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the upper 40s.600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by J Kofoed on 08-27-2009 08:19 PM:
I had a DS610 which broke today.
It happened in the air.
It was the servo electronics that went into pieces.Best Regards Jesper Kofoed
Posted by LonR on 08-27-2009 11:16 PM:
If I get another 50/600 size heli im for sure buying another set of Align 610's.These servos rock,100X faster and stronger than my Hitec's by far .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by jelkins on 08-28-2009 12:57 AM:
Just to point out, the futaba 7chp is one of the worst radios. The latency is the slowest among most other radios. So not only did you upgrade from slower servos you also updated to a much quicker response just from the dx7.

James
www.collectiverc.com
www.HOBBIESandRC.com
Posted by LonR on 08-28-2009 08:20 PM:
Yeah I really like the DX7,now im trying to make my mind up if I should sale my FM Futaba 7CHP or keep it for a backup .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by easternav on 08-29-2009 12:34 AM:
J Kofoed

Were you running the 610's at 8volts?
Can you tell what happened?est. 2006
Posted by TankDirt on 08-30-2009 06:33 AM:
.I just bought a brand new set of Align DS610 and a new Spektrum DX7 to replace my Hitec HS-5975HB's and FM futaba 7CHP.I got the Servos 2 days before the radio so I started installing the servos in my heli to set them up.Got everything on and when going up and down with the left stick the servos would jump a tiny bit whenever I moved the left stick.Got my new DX7 yesterday and hooked it up
O-yeah,Im about to go out and try these bad boys out and i'll report back.As long as I can beat the rain
found it in your face

Sorry, couldnt resist lol..aaaanyways back on topic

How would the medium/hard 3D crowd honestly rate the 610's to 8717 on a .90?
Posted by LonR on 08-30-2009 07:06 AM:
Yeah,the only reason I closed my thread is I didn't want it getting out of hand,this is the thread for that haha.I try staying out of the back and forth stuff if ya know what I mean .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by f penfold on 08-30-2009 07:21 AM:
How would the medium/hard 3D crowd honestly rate the 610's to 8717 on a .90?
I really like them i use 620 on my 700s and 50s great price super fast and good tourqe.They are savox servos any way i only wish they would bring out a faster tail sevoI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by TankDirt on 08-30-2009 07:26 AM:
I meant the switch..I knew something else had to of changed lol..anyways, Dont matter lol.
really like them i use 620 on my 700s and 50s great price super fast and good tourqe.They are savox servos any way i only wish they would bring out a faster tail sevo
Thats the thing..for the price people like them..but how would you rate them side by side to an 8717?
Posted by f penfold on 08-30-2009 07:43 AM:
the only time you can tell the difference is when they are on the ground and under no load they seem to be notchy but as soon as they are in the air they are the same as 8717 or 8915s in my case . I had 8915 (the UK equivalent to 8717)in one of my 700 and two of my fifties
i swapped the ones out of my 700 for a comparison to the align 620s.
And like i said there is no difference from what i can tell. Ive had well over a hundred flights on them so far and not one problem yet.
They are not the best looking servo and align could do some thing about this but all it would do is up the price. sorry to get back to price but that's what it boils down to . the align servo is about half the price of the jr ones at the highest you could get three align 620s
for the price of one jr 8915. And as i said there is no difference other than the way they look

you must take price in to account when you compare anythingI know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by TankDirt on 08-30-2009 07:57 AM:
you must take price in to account when you compare anything
I never do when im just getting opinions about somethings performance...When I ask questions I want to hear if somethings good or not, i hate hearing " this ones good for the price"
..when Im ready to buy a product is when I determain the whole price vs performance balance.

As to what I just said, I wasnt reffering to your answer and I appreciate your opinion...looks like +1 for the 610's so far
Posted by f penfold on 08-30-2009 08:01 AM:
tank do a search on 610s mate there are loads of people with there opinions of these servos .I know I used lock tight why did my head explode
Posted by easternav on 08-30-2009 02:18 PM:
f penfold

They are coming out with a faster tail servo. The align 650.est. 2006
Posted by Blackhawk6 on 08-30-2009 04:01 PM:
I saw the specs for that new 650. Wow! They are fast! That is going to be a great tail servo and for a great price too.

I think my Align servos are great. I have about 50 flights on them and they really handle great. I will use them on all my machines in the future.
Posted by alexz on 08-31-2009 05:22 AM:
Any one that doesn't like them you just send them my way. I can't wait to get my hands on them.

recycle,reuse,and renew baby!
Posted by LonR on 08-31-2009 05:23 AM:
TankDirt,so when ya getting a set .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
Posted by J Kofoed on 08-31-2009 01:53 PM:
Hello easternav.
As I've written, it's broken electronics.
Tooth wheels fails nothing.
I have sent servo as a complaint.
I use 5,6VDCBest Regards Jesper Kofoed
Posted by TankDirt on 08-31-2009 06:05 PM:
prabably over the winter..unless I can get something else cheaper, people are dumping their 9451's and equal servos for pretty much nothing..I saw a set of 3 9451's go for $100 shipped yesturday..or maybe ill get another set of the .06 airtronics servos, their down to about $80 bucks a pop brand new, and its a very reputable company. and on CCPM their every bit that fast.

Ill prabably end up with the 610's im just not limiting my options yet, theres plenty of other players out there.
Posted by easternav on 09-01-2009 12:25 AM:
J Kofoed

What's this?

"Hello easternav.
As I've written, it's broken electronics.
Tooth wheels fails nothing.
I have sent servo as a complaint.
I use 5,6VDC"est. 2006
Posted by jschenck on 09-01-2009 03:34 AM:
Sure would like to know when the DS650 will be released, might consider it for my T700

http://runryder.com/t537187p1/

http://www.alignrcusa.com/index.php...roducts_id=1386
Posted by DESTROS custom on 10-11-2009 10:35 PM:
Well i have the 650 @ 6v in my 500 with gp750 with 1,900 kv motor and is rock solid my friend is a better pilot than me and do funnels piro funnel pyro huricaine side tic toc upward tic toc and i really amase with the servo and i have a JR 8900 and bealive me perform as well or even better beacuse my 8900 is on 700 rex and you know bigger machine more stable so also i read this and put a 610s and 7100 on my 700 and are lightning fast impressme i have the 94758 in past those run at .6 and the 610 seems to to be a little more quick but have lot more of torqueT REX 700 LE YSSR SB19 ,T REX 600 ESP on 12s,T REX 500 ESP,T REX 450 Sport 4s,CopterX 450,T REX 250
Posted by DESTROS custom on 10-11-2009 10:36 PM:
aaaaaaahhhhh
And forget the 650 are in stock now and cost only 79.95 Wow i gone to buy 4 for my 600 ESP 12 cells proyectT REX 700 LE YSSR SB19 ,T REX 600 ESP on 12s,T REX 500 ESP,T REX 450 Sport 4s,CopterX 450,T REX 250
Posted by snipealot on 10-12-2009 04:07 AM:
I'm running DS620's on the cyclic and throttle of my 700N and they are notchy on they ground but I can't tell in the air. IMO great servos, great price.
Posted by Mike Fortin on 10-12-2009 04:23 AM:
Actually http://www.EspritModel.com has the DS650's for $69.00

As for 610's, I have had 4 sets of them and have never had any notchy feeling on the ground or in the air.

I have hundreds of flights on them and have yet to have any issues running on 8V.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
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