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04-28-2002 02:44 AM  15 years agoPost 1
ChrisMoore

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Hey all,

Could you tell me which of these would be the best heli. by best i mean: good for beginner when cost is not as big of an issue as quality of kit. your .02 is very much appreciated.

thanks!

chris

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04-28-2002 02:54 AM  15 years agoPost 2
noxam

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Sceadu 50!

Do your self a favor and get the Sceadu 50 right off the bat! I started with the 30 then converted to the 50, night and day! You spend a little more up front, but also get the 3rd bearing block and the DTDS gear in the kit. No difference between the 2 kits other than the motor mounting hardware and flywheel and clutch bell. Much beter weight to power ratio with the 50 as well. The machine is smooth and responsive and is real fun with the .50 OS in it. And as far as a good starter heli, I don't know, but its working out great for me so far and it's my first heli as well!Just my .02!

Alive and Tocking!

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04-28-2002 03:03 AM  15 years agoPost 3
ChrisMoore

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there are a bazillion posts on here about the sceadu's having overheating problems. what have you done to improve on the cooling, have you even had a cooling problem?

thanks!

chris

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04-28-2002 03:58 AM  15 years agoPost 4
ChrisMoore

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awesome, ive been playin around on the heliproz site for a couple weeks now, picking out stuff--online browsing =) the sceadu is a purdy birdie, hopefully ill have one in my workshop this summer. thanks for the advice guys!

chris

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04-28-2002 12:13 PM  15 years agoPost 5
Dave_D

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The RG is definetely NOT for a beginner as it's crash parts are almost ALL the shuttle (Zs) upgrade "G" parts.

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04-28-2002 12:16 PM  15 years agoPost 6
noxam

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Overheating

I have installed the cooling shroud only for strength in the main frame; I never once overheated the 30 or the 50, its all in setting up the motor and tuning it properly. Cyberheli has a great deal now too, $542 or something close for the heli, OS 50, DTDS and Third bearing block, and it comes with 600mm carbon main blades. Sounds like a good deal to me, I was going to buy it just to have a back up!

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04-28-2002 12:32 PM  15 years agoPost 7
Ken B

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If I had to do it all over again... Sceadu 50 would be my choice.

Don't sweat the overheating thing. Most people are asking if it's a problem, doesn't seem to be. I had problems but that was because of a bad engine.

Hey, get some thing you like... I know you will like the Sceadu.

Avoid the RG as a first Heli.

Ken B

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04-28-2002 05:01 PM  15 years agoPost 8
ChrisMoore

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do you think the sceadu 50 would be a good beginners heli? I think it would be, i set it up to get the most out of it, then 'grow into it" what do u think?

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04-28-2002 05:08 PM  15 years agoPost 9
Ken B

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Just configure the Heli to be mild. As you learn how to do things you can make it more wild when you know what you are doing

Wild heli's and beginners don't mix.

The Sceadu 50 can be a timid machine with the help of an expert.

Ken B

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04-28-2002 05:24 PM  15 years agoPost 10
ChrisMoore

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vokul

thanks for the advice, it makes sense. I have Ray's Authoratative Helicopter Manual and i plan on sticking to his manual when building. i have a ton of sources to draw from for building and setup so i should be alright. theres also a RC Heli Club an hour and 1/2 away. theres another one in my area, but i dont know where it is! =) i plan on joining the heli club in addition to the club i already fly planks at. I dont plan on messing things up, if i have to drive all day to save a crash, ill do it. thanks for the help, im sure ill have plenty of more questions for you all on here

Chris

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04-30-2002 05:00 PM  15 years agoPost 11
rchelipilot

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the decision

hey chris

your question on witch to get,If kit cost is not really an issue the RG is really nice when i got mine i could not even hover very well is a matter a fact the first five flights or so i hovered the rg on the training gear,from there a year later with the rg i was doing 3-D with it as far as crash damage goes its really not that bad.The metal parts that are pricey don't give up they are strong a friend of mine had one and he crashed it every week-end and the average crash cost with carbon m/s blades was only about $150.00 and that's cheap with m/s blades and i never seen any of the wash out arm's or the seesaw arms or any of that bend or break they very rugged and when it's wright the rg is very precise and will do any thing you ask it.On the sceadu subject parts are cheaper than the rg but will break a little easier I had a 50 size never a problem with over heating on mine but it lived a short life so I can't comment on that subject much the collective servo stripped out on it's 8th or 9th flight and it whent to the ground so fast it was scary how fast it happened and nothing you can do but watch it.The power that the fifty had was amazing it would clime straight up with 13 degre's like a rocket that is about all I can tell you so good luck and happy flyin'

chad

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04-30-2002 08:04 PM  15 years agoPost 12
ChrisMoore

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would you recommend the RG as a beginner heli, i can hover very well on my G2 simulator, i can do inverted flight, FFF and some pretty fun stuff including auto's after 6-7 hrs on the sim (not to mention 9 years of flyin planks). i dont doubt my flying skills, i know at some point i may crash, but to tell you the truth, i go so slow when i learn that i dont jump to the next level till im absloutely ready. what are your thoughts, i love the sceadu's looks, id like the Freya 91, but the shuttle RG is a precision machine.

thanks

chris

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04-30-2002 10:59 PM  15 years agoPost 13
rchelipilot

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chris

If money is not an object i have the heli for you it's a vigor cs if you can do all that on the sim i see no reason to need a beginner heli, I've been flyin for a year and i can't even really hover inverted to good yet but flips and loops rolls funnels the minner 3-D stuff i can do on the sim so i believe that you can start with anything just use some training gear for a little while and you'll be set

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05-01-2002 04:03 AM  15 years agoPost 14
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I agree the RG is a good FAI machine, I just removed the engine on the last one and sold it since I didn't want the engine rusting up on me. I will just buy a new engine if I do want to fly it again.

I agree with rchelipilot that save for a crash that bends the frame, it's pretty durable, the rotorhead takes a lickin with only the usual spindle and mainmast sustaining damage (those parts are cheap).

What I do recommend if you're going to use the RG as a learner, is to buy a stock plastic shuttle Z canopy and keep the pricey fiberglass canopy in the box until you think the time is right.

The only thing why I prefer you get a Sceadu is aside from the obvious, it will do 3D better, is upgradable easily to 50 size, and can be upgraded to a driven tail (RG can't).

I wouldn't buy a NEW RG nowadays. There should be lots of used ones floating around being sold for a song. As long as the frames are straight, it should be good.

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05-01-2002 04:07 PM  15 years agoPost 15
arcpilot

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Go Fo The RG

Chris,
Let me first begin by saying the RG is a fantastic helicopter. The only thing that comes close is the TSK 30 (and now TSK is gone). The RG flies so smooth and is capable of any thing you can dish out. If you have the extra money, get the RG. It is worth every penny.

As far as crashes go, dont worry about it. Take your time learning and you wont have any problems. Most people crash because they are total newbies and they have no idea what they are doing. You on the other hand have airplane experience that will help you out. Also, have an experienced pilot help you set up the heli before you fly. If you do that you will solve most of the problems that cause people to crash. You also state in you post that you will be learning in a step by step manner. Thats the way to do it. As long as you are careful you will not crash.

Once you learn, you will have a totally kick-ass helicopter that will be the envy of all your friends.

The only thing I would recommend is taking off the fiberglass canopy and set it aside during your first flights. "Just in case" you have a mis-hap, you wont ruin the canopy. Its the most expensive thing if you crash a RG. Sure, you can buy an extra plastic body, but why? Just put that money towards good fule (like Cool Power 30%).

Get the RG, you wont regret it.

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05-01-2002 04:14 PM  15 years agoPost 16
ChrisMoore

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thats what ive been thinking. im a beliver that i can learn to fly helis if i take the time to set up the heli PERFECTLY. the machine i see as being smooth and slop free is the RG. a crash may be more expensive, but there are people out there that did not crash once when learning. There would be no need for me to even think about upgrades.

I have been looking for TSK helis, because they may cost more, but its not like i am paying 600 bucks for a plastic heli! i would get what i pay for. it would better if i bought better equipment, right?

Thank you for the advice,


chris

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05-01-2002 04:44 PM  15 years agoPost 17
Ken B

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Chris,

If you have money why get a 30 size machine at all? Just go right to a good 60. The differences in flight characteristics is worth it.

For the price of a RG and a few bucks more you can move right into a Freya.

Since you apear to have the money Fuel cost and all the other hinderences and reasons to buy a 30 over a 60 are not players. I say go right to a 60 machine. Just food for thought.

Ken B

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05-01-2002 07:00 PM  15 years agoPost 18
rchelipilot

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chris,

If you buy 60 size machine for a few more dollars than the rg you're starting with with another plastic heli and the rg is all metal no upgrades needed.let me suggest one up grade that i had on mine is a servo mount on the tail for the t/r it's better in my opinion that the stock mount where you put servo in the frame and the rod runs seven or eight inches with out any support that allows alittle bit of play in the linkage. Hands down it's with a dout the best 30 on the maket,a 60 size that has all the metal arms and upgrades that RG has you'll over a thousand dollars for it.

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05-02-2002 05:03 AM  15 years agoPost 19
Hughes500Pilot

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RG

I vote for the RG. I have one (see my gallery below) and I love it. It is my favorite heli. Yes, I love it more then my Imperio.

As far as it being too heavy... Yes, it is a little on the heavy side since it is all metal. But it is no heavier then the Sceadu 30. In fact, I think it is a little lighter.

I run an OS 32SX-H with a Hatori Tunned Muffler. Using Cool Power 30% heli fuel, I have plenty of power.

Sure, you can pay the same price for a plastic 60. But, if you crash, parts are twice the price. The motor is twice the price. The exhaust is more expensive. You need better, more expensive servos. And you can expect to use twice as much fuel. Then, you will have to put $500-$1000 into upgrade parts to to get anwhere close to the level of high-end parts the RG has.

I say get the RG.

-Steve

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