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04-27-2002 05:41 PM  15 years agoPost 61
Bigfish

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Some more pictures

I have added some pictures of my Venture construction to the ones I took at Toledo .......

JR Venture 30CP ARTF

Here is the fan that comes with the US version (sorry it's a bit out of focus - but it's in the heli now)

BF.

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04-27-2002 06:04 PM  15 years agoPost 62
Bigfish

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Static tracking

I just bolted the wood blades on and my static tracking is within 2mm .....

That is much better than my Raptor

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04-27-2002 06:21 PM  15 years agoPost 63
laddy

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Will a CSM Gyro fit under the canopy ok?

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04-27-2002 06:43 PM  15 years agoPost 64
Bigfish

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CSM Gyro

I don't know which CSM you are thinking of using ....
I just measured the CSM180 on my little Kyosho EP and it is about 35mm tall ........ That will fit under the canopy on the Venture.

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04-27-2002 09:54 PM  15 years agoPost 65
laddy

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Bigfish,
I'm going to use a CSM 360. It is @ 47mm tall with the tape. Will it still fit?
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04-28-2002 01:12 AM  15 years agoPost 66
Bigfish

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Gyro

laddy ......

Hmmm the 360 is a big unit, it will not fit under the canopy on the frame where JR had the little 460 at Toledo (see the link to Venture at Toledo in my earlier post) I will be using a Futaba GY401 which is really small - only 22mm high with tape.

I am sure you could get creative and mount it further forward on top of the reciever receiver tray - there is about 80mm clarance to the canopy towards the rear of that surface ....... the battery slides into it's own shelf underneath it.

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04-28-2002 02:19 AM  15 years agoPost 67
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

Question for those of you that own one, Does the venture come with thrust bearings in the main grips? I tried downloading the manual and it looks like they have'nt posted it yet. Checked the parts listing and could'nt find them.

Please tell me they did'nt get cheap and leave them out!

Thanks in advance,

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04-28-2002 02:54 AM  15 years agoPost 68
Buzzin Brian

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Auger,

Hate to disapoint, but no there is not thrust bearings in the main blade grips. I was a little disapointed about this. But hey, it did fly well. Maybe an upgrade will come up in this area. But who knows.


Sorry to disapoint.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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04-28-2002 03:55 AM  15 years agoPost 69
tailwhip

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Anybody fly one today?

Dennis

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04-28-2002 03:58 AM  15 years agoPost 70
Bigfish

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Main Grips

Here is the main grip configuration ............ there are two 981004 bearings (5x13x4mm) in each grip.

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04-28-2002 04:09 AM  15 years agoPost 71
rickc

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It looks the same as an Ergo's main grips as far as the bearings. It should have no problem.

Rick

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04-28-2002 04:33 AM  15 years agoPost 72
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

Can't really say its a dissapointment, kinda expected it

"Unlike many other helis in its class that use bushings, the Venture CP sports ball bearings throughout the rotor head. Not only does this make control inputs silky smooth, but it saves the trouble of having to upgrade later on."

Looks like a fun machine anyway, another $20 is no biggie. Just hope they did'nt skimp on some other important parts! I'll probably play with one next week when they come in, if the headblock is straight I may give it a try. Should make a good "Hey look at this, thump, whoops, next" machine

Thanks for the pictures and instruction manual page.. I looked at it pretty close up at toledo, looked quite a bit better than the caliber 30.

Bigfish, I found an easy way to assemble a heli at home with cats around. Open the box, remove all parts, wait till he/she climbs (curiosity allways kicks in) in and close it Saves you many hours hunting down that bag of parts he/she runs away with.


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04-28-2002 04:55 AM  15 years agoPost 73
Bigfish

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Auger

The little fella was very quiet today .......... he got himself a 10'' length of brand new fuel line an was having a great time with it ..... of course it is full of tiny holes now.

I was just about to call Horizon and complain about one of the tail rod guides being left out of my kit when I found it in the cats basket ....

He has already been in the box for hours at a time ......... I must remember to get him out before I throw it out

BF.

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04-29-2002 01:49 AM  15 years agoPost 74
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any test results on maiden flight for the Venture CP

Just wondering if there were anyone who assembled the Venture and have performed test flights wiith results yet? Mine should be here tomorrow from Rick's and I want it in the air by Tursday (weather permitting).

Let me know - thanks Edwin

Team Eddie

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04-29-2002 01:52 AM  15 years agoPost 75
tailwhip

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Yeah I want to hear the good or the bad too! mine will be here tomorrow too. Just curious.
Thanks
Dennis

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04-29-2002 01:55 AM  15 years agoPost 76
Horacio

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Few both Ventures today! Its nice to work side by side w/ a friend so you can compare problem areas. Anyway, assembly was a breeze!! My friends heli had a really tight main gear when the motor was installed.. Darn near impossible to spin! I didn't think about flipping the mount over for a better fit but I did have to elongate the holes in the frame a little bit. The top of the clutch was rubbing the clutch bell and the motor was as far down as it could go. Be sure to go over the entire machine as we found scews that needed to be tightened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm no happy with the blades...they are good for a newbe, but I think I will get V-Blades. Other than that, I think its the ultimate heli to start and transition into 3-D with. It will take you where you want to go without taking your pocket book with it!!! Hey- I better sell that line to JR and they can print it on the box!

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04-29-2002 01:59 AM  15 years agoPost 77
coptereddie

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Thanks H: How long was assembly for the machine?

Team Eddie

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04-29-2002 05:17 AM  15 years agoPost 78
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Grrr..... Okay.....

I got this bad boy in the air today, yesterday I was too scared to take it off the ground!

When I was assembling the kit I did have to reverse the motor mount direction (as opposed to the manual) to get proper clutch alignment. The engine I used is an O.S. 32SX-H, I had planned to use the Hirobo 36 but it seems that the LHS needs to find some prop washers to make that engine work with this kit. I used Hitec HS-425BB servos on the swash plate. When I set everything up like the manual I had allot more washout travel during the first half of collective stick movement than the upper half stick had. I thought this was odd, but didn't worry about it too much.

I had never set up a nitro helicopter before so I took it to the LHS for my inital setup of the throttle and pitch curves. The guy who worked on my heli seemed a bit frustrated with getting it set up because at one point he had almost what he wanted in the pitch curve and then adjusted a link and had something totally unexpected. (5-18 degrees of positive pitch range... this has more signifigance later.) When he re-adjusted it everything seemed fine.

I got out to the field Saturday evening and was ready to take it up. I set the engine up as the manual instructed. Then I started the engine and took it out to the heli pad. I spooled it up to about 1/3 stick and found that something was definatly wrong..... the blade tracking was very, VERY bad... the whole heli shook itself all around the heli pad. There was and experienced heli pilot on hand to give me a hand. We tried for an hour to no avail to correct the blade tracking problem. I decided to wrap it up and go home to check things out.

When I got home I discovered major problems with the helicopter. I found out what was so confusing to the person that was setting it up for me at the LHS. One blade had a pitch range of about -4 to +10 and the other was at like +3 to +off guage scale. The person at the LHS has been doing helicopters for years so I know he didn't do this. Besides he didn't take the links off the head... just the ones going to the servos. I pulled out my Mitutoyo dial calipers to check the linkage in the head. NOT ONE LINK IN THE HEAD WAS SET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE MANUAL!! Some of them were off by as much as 6MM! There is my blade tracking problem.. I went through and changed everything to the recommended settings and reprogrammed my radio using a pitch guage to get my desired values. I also checked my pitch values at low, mid and top stick on BOTH rotor blades to make sure they were identical so I wouldn't have any blade tracking issues.

Before I go on.... Why the F! did I pay extra for an ARF? I mean really... if I have to go back and redo the whole damn thing then why pay someone else to do a half assed job of it. I had to reconfigure all the linkage in the rotor head. One of the rubber shocks between the frame and landing struts came to me with a small hole in it. The hole has now worked it's way into a slit that goes half way around the shock after just one day of flying. I found a set screw on the table underneath the Venture after the engine's very first idle. I did check all the set screws from the exploded view and none are missing. I think this is just one the assembler dropped in the frame and it worked it's way out with vibration. I bought my Logo 10 for my first kit. When I had an experienced flyer take it up for me for the first time the heli didn't need so much as blade tracking adjusted.... this thing was supposed to be set up by a "factory expert" and it was all screwed up.

I took the heli out today and it flies great! Blades are in track.... everything is wonderful. The cyclic response is definatly less than my Logo had, but I'm running the trainer paddles. (w/o weights installed) The Venture climbs much better than the Logo did (of course) and it is much more stable in wind. In fact once evening came along a 10-15MPH gusty breeze picked up and I hardly noticed it in my flying. This helicopter is very easy to see at a distance! At the end of the day I developed a clutch issue that I haven't looked at yet. The clutch wants to engage at idle and it's killing the engine... in fact the heli jumps when the starter is applied. I wonder if this is another assembly screw up... perhaps a liner that was installed at the factory incorrectly.

Overall I like this helicopter allot! It flies great.. But I would have rather spent $30 less and assembled it myself because the factory did a piss-poor job of it.

Now if I could just get this clutch problem fixed and this motor broken in.... even though I have no idea how to do it...

Chad

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04-29-2002 05:40 AM  15 years agoPost 79
tailwhip

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Thanks!

Thanks for the heads up!
This is exactly what I was looking for. I think I will go over the whole heli very carefully.checking hardware and checking all the links too.

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04-29-2002 10:01 AM  15 years agoPost 80
Jason Merkle

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Good to see all this info on the Venture popping up so soon! Even though I dont need more helis than I already have, I just cant resist the urge to try it! Ive got a spare TT .36H engine with the new carb on it, spare gyro, Rx pack, and Rx, so all I need now are a few servos and muffler to get it in the air. Im getting a Kyosho Caliber 30 next month, but I really want something new to play with now

So guys, a few questions on the heli. What muffler/pipe do you guys recomend for the TT 36 in this heli? Will the Thunder Tiger upgrade muffler for the Raptor 30 fit? Should I use a Weston? Any other thoughts? I want to keep it cheap - this isnt my "all out heli" but I want decent performance for basic 3D flying!

Servos - which should I use? I really want to use JR servos if possible, but I dont want to get spendy. I dont think 537s are enough on the CCPM. Would 3 531s on the CCPM be enough for 3D flying? Throttle servo will be a 537, tail servo will be the Japanese market JR 810G (.10 transit, digital, only $69!) with a JR 460T HH gyro. If you guys dont think 531s on the cyclics are enough for 3D, I plan to use 3 Hitec HS545s on the CCPM and a 525 for the throttle and tail.

Let me know on the best advice for servos and exhaust guys! Thanks!

Jason

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