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05-13-2018 05:53 PM  12 days agoPost 1
Rojoalfa

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My radikal G20 FC with zenoah 20cc refused to fly...

Motor in idle OK but rpm not increase.

Carburator... Check
Spark plug... Check
Throttle curve... Check
Stator gator... Check... Clean connections.
GV-1... Reading rpm out of control... From 500 to 1500...very unstable.
Motor is very stable, so reading rpm not consistent with motor behavior.

By the time I increase throttle, motor don't develop High rpm...less than hover rpm... 1550 rpm.

Just one time, motor gets explosion to Carburator...by the time I was starting up.

Stator gator has nothing to do in this problem... It is reading from sensor.

CDI... Sensor...

Any ideas.

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05-13-2018 06:47 PM  12 days agoPost 2
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Not mentioned is that it was all working before with no issues and now this?

I would just bypass GV1 and stator gator to assure its definitely not the engine despite running smooth at idle.

Carb to engine isolator metal or original plastic?

FWIW...I dont use a stator gator on mine.

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05-13-2018 08:13 PM  12 days agoPost 3
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By pass gv1 and startor gator.
Motor in idle ok... Very stable.
It seems to me, at the first time, transition problem.

My radikal has 150 flights... Then , it was difficult to get started. I change spark plug... Nothing... Clean carb several times...nothing... Very bad transition between LO and HI.

Today, after cleaning carb with xilene, finally motor gets started but... According to reading on gv1 with stator gator, rpm is out of control.
Something Is not well here...

So, transition problem? Or cdi gets saturated and fail...

I need to do some other test before buy something.

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05-13-2018 11:49 PM  12 days agoPost 4
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Carb to engine isolator metal or original plastic?
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Plastic from stock.

I did spray with WD40 near isolator to see if motor accelerate... No response.

That means no leaking packer over there. No air coming from outside.

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05-14-2018 02:03 AM  12 days agoPost 5
rbort

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its simple
Your ignition module is bad. Won't work under load. Try changing that if you have a spare and once the motor is working try to narrow down the issue.

Might be even as simple as the plug cap is not on all the way. Its in the ignition, that's where you need to look.

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05-14-2018 02:10 AM  12 days agoPost 6
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I think stator gator is dead meat.

If hall sensor is bad, there is no way to motor to be quite stable.

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05-14-2018 07:55 PM  11 days agoPost 7
JuanRodriguez

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Rojoalfa
I think stator gator is dead meat.

If hall sensor is bad, there is no way to motor to be quite stable.
Not clear if you bypassed the stator gator and tried your tests without it .....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-15-2018 10:02 PM  10 days agoPost 8
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Not clear if you bypassed the stator gator and tried your tests without it .....
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I disconnect SG from gv1.
Motor was very stable in idle.

I close HI needle and check rpm with throttle full...
Motor keeps running but behavior in high speed change... So, hi needle probably working OK... Transition is doing OK I mean.

That is why I think Cdi is not working for some reason.

Is There a way Cdi get saturated when rpm is increasing?

I run Cdi with a 6 amp BEC also...

I am going to check this BEC.

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05-17-2018 01:49 AM  9 days agoPost 9
oldfart

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What battery are you using to power the CDI?

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05-17-2018 10:54 PM  8 days agoPost 10
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What battery are you using to power the CDI?
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I'm using a 2s LiFe 3800 mah from hyperion.

That battery is for both electronics and CDI.

It allowed four full flights between charges.

Bec seem to be OK... Not getting hot... Normal...

I don't get it. Cdi is working OK at idle, then fail at hi rpm and then back to normal in idle.

Electronic don't work that way.. Isn't it?

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05-18-2018 05:37 PM  7 days agoPost 11
Pistol Pete

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Zenoah CDI or RcExl?
If zenoah, do yourself a favor and dump it.
RcExcel CDI dont need a BEC.
Consider also ditching the stator gator.

Unclear if you didnt have any issues before or is this a new heli for you?

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05-19-2018 02:40 AM  7 days agoPost 12
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My century radikal g 20cc has 159 flights . Very nice and cheaper helicopter to Fly.

My other gasser helicopter run with magneto ... Very simple design.

My first spark plug run that 159 flights.
Problem beging when that spark plug died.

After replace spark plug, motor did not run at HI rpm ...
Run very well in idle.

Stator gator failed... Ok... So, it is dead meat.

Carburator have more than 5 times cleaning procedures.
We check transition LO to HI rpm... Carb seems to be Good.

Cdi... My suspect...
I decided to install a BEC looking for isolate the electronic from electromagnetic issues. That was because I used one battery to energize the whole system.

Other way to test this Zenoah cdi before I get a hammer and finish that suffer?

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05-19-2018 07:27 AM  7 days agoPost 13
Pistol Pete

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Rojoalfa
My first spark plug run that 159 flights.
Problem beging when that spark plug died.
Spark plug brand and gap?
Gap 21 to 25 range...start with lower number.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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05-20-2018 05:29 AM  6 days agoPost 14
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Spark plug from stock... Champion Y82 with 0.025" Gap.

Spark plug without resistor.
Good spark plug.
I removed metal cap without problems several flights before ...
Very difficult to removed on my helicopter.

Zenoah 20cc is hard to start... Good idle , Good performance.

In my case, carburator plugged with something and bad transition or cdi failure... Or something else?

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