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05-03-2018 05:49 PM  17 days agoPost 1
UKhelinoob

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Guys. Here is the heli that I trained on since I stopped flying (I didn't start with a sim).. I Bought this neat little 4 channel fixed pitch heli last year (MJX F45), and got training gear fitted and jumped off the deep end (never looked back) heh.. Now. I'm finely gonna make this heli fully brush-less (I've had the brush-less kit for over a year gathering dust) You see, I've never flown a brush-less heli before (Just nitro's), and want to start on this MJX F45 before I go to my collective pitch helis (With training gear on).. The kit is easy to install.. But you have to solder the motors ESC ground wire to the underside of the receiver board (I think that I'll use a small connector that way I'll be able to easily remove the ESC from the receiver board if it ever fails) The other wires plug into the brushed motor socket that's on the receiver, and the Tail motor's ESC 3 wires too, are soldered to the receiver (I'll have to figure some think out with that).. They look like servo cable (I bought another receiver with the on-board gyro in a different place (It's Vertical at a servo header instead of being flat at the other side of the board which the one in the heli has).. It's a new version of the receiver for brush-less..

The ESC board for the main motor had a large Electrolytic Capacitor on the power line.. But with that there.. The receiver board won't be able to sit flat, so I removed it and soldered in a small SMT Tantalum capacitor in it's place (I used to work in electronics).. It's the little orange part left side (Bottom) of the board... I made sure that it has the same value and voltage (220uf 20v). Now the receiver board will be able to sit flat, and no one has done that with their conversion kits.. Only me.. Going on to the main rotor head.. All the plastic is going to be upgraded to aluminum Parts (Swash-plate up), and I bought a complete spare head unit, so I can do that to it, and replace the plastic head unit with the aluminum one into the heli, and the frames will be carbon fiber too (All the parts are made by Xtreme production).. Lipo are 7.4v 2600mAh.. They are for the brush-less kit but didn't come with it.. Buggers... But Longer flight times eh??..Better servos are going in too (The supplied ones in the heli are cheap ones with plastic gears...

When I bought the little heli.. I was surprised that the heli is 2.4Gz (Not FM), and the TX has a large LCD screen too (I'm gonna fit a lipo in the TX with a voltage drop-down board (7.4v to 6v), as I hate rechargeable AA, and you can't charge them in the TX.. Also, you can fit a wireless Aerial Camera to the heli (For FPV) Using a apple I-pad which clips onto the TX . Bracket is included with the wireless camera.. But I have to download the program from the apple web site (For this camera).. The TX has a button to turn it on, and the camera unit plugs into the receiver using a cable.. Neat eh??.. Oh, On YouTube.. A guy did all this (Not the camera part though) and recommended getting Carbon Fiber main blades from a blade heli.. But I looked everywhere for them and they are out of stock (I can't remember which Blade model now).. If anyone knows me Let me know...Thanks..

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05-03-2018 09:03 PM  17 days agoPost 2
JuanRodriguez

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UKhelinoob
Guys. Here is the heli that I trained on (I didn't start with a sim).. I Bought this neat little 4 channel fixed pitch heli last year
So, you've been flying for a year or less with this heli ?? I thought in one of your several other posts that you were not a novice......

Or , have I misunderstood this entire post ??

Just wondering ???

Reason I ask is that when offering "advice" on different things, one has to know your actual experience level to provide the best possible advice.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-03-2018 10:49 PM  16 days agoPost 3
UKhelinoob

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UKhelinoob
Guys. Here is the heli that I trained on (I didn't start with a sim).. I Bought this neat little 4 channel fixed pitch heli last year
So, you've been flying for a year or less with this heli ?? I thought in one of your several other posts that you were not a novice......

Or , have I misunderstood this entire post ??

Just wondering ???

Reason I ask is that when offering "advice" on different things, one has to know your actual experience level to provide the best possible advice.....
Well, I've being flying of and on for years. But stopped a number of years ago, so I bought this heli to start flying again (in my large back yard), and so far I haven't crashed it yet.. But since the time that I stopped.. Heli's technology have advanced a lot since then (Brush-less better gyro's and Longer battery time using Lipo's)...

Thanks for asking though......But I will needing advice on gyro's

Oh, I found out that this is not a beginners heli.. Even though it's fixed pitch (Lucky I had a little bit of experience from the past) I ain't a novice but not a expert either.. In between I would say. But not skilled enough to try 3D on a T-rex 450 (Crash!!!!)...

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05-03-2018 11:14 PM  16 days agoPost 4
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What do you actually have experience with ?? And did you get beyond the hovering stage ??

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-03-2018 11:16 PM  16 days agoPost 5
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Yep I fly it around..But the bloody thing is fast that's why it's not a beginner heli.. But not much setting up on a fixed pitch heli Like you have to on a collective pitch ones (Gyro is on the receiver and no pitch to setup on the TX).. If you've don't have any flying experience at all.. Then it's not the heli for you (Sim first then)...

Oh.. All me experience is with fixed pitch heli's not collective pitch ones yet (Sim for them eh??)..But as you know I have 3 collective pitch heli's on the go and a nice T-rex450L Dominator that I'm gonna put together after the 450x, as I am able build them..

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05-03-2018 11:25 PM  16 days agoPost 6
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Ok, so pretty much a novice ....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-03-2018 11:30 PM  16 days agoPost 7
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Ok, so pretty much a novice
Noo not completely, as a novice can't fly a fast small fixed pitch heli...You see to me a complete novice is one that hasn't got past the hovering stage into full flight no matter what type of heli.. I have... I'm just a novice on collective heli's that's all (I never said that I was a expert), or was you thinking that I was a expert LOL (Where's me training gear)... Oh, will you come to me house and setup my 450l??.. Lots of packages will be coming in the mail to built a Dominator.. I even coughed up the $35 to get a orignal Dominator motor, and $40 for the Align ESC... Good eh???

When finished.. There she will sit.. A nice shelf queen to look at.... Oh, I received the first parts.. The Boom with the torque tube and the tail fin... I'm on my way...

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05-04-2018 12:21 AM  16 days agoPost 8
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The small fixed pitch helicopters back in those days were sold as “beginner/novice” helicopters that one could buy cheaply to get into the hobby. Many were packaged with transmitters sort of “ready to fly” after charging the batteries. I really don’t know if that was good or bad thing as I never went that route.

Most people I know (from my “era”) started out with a 30 size collective pitch nitro and it wasn’t until many years after that the electric helis (or planes) became feasible.....

There is no way that I would ever advise a beginner to start out with a small fixed pitch heli. Instead, I would advise them to get something like a collective 450 (minimum) or a 500 (preferably) and in kit form if possible
..... all that , of course, would be after simulator time !!

It breaks my heart to see you buying that off the wall stuff and then throwing more “bling parts” on top of that for something that you’re unlikely to get in the air ....

But it’s your money !! And if it makes you happy getting all those “great deals” then by all means, carry on !!!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-04-2018 10:59 PM  15 days agoPost 9
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Ok... But I fly my little 4 channel fixed pitch heli like this (Just flying around), so am I still a beginner then (Learned on a fixed pitch heli first cos I had no help here where I live), so if able to fly a fixed pitch must be a plus for me going to collective pitch, as I've got the experience with the four controls eh??..

Oh, I only bought me heli last year to get started again.. (I just upgraded the 7.2v lipo to a 2600mAh), so It ain't old at all (It's modern fixed pitch heli with 2.4GHz radio (LCD screen)) and will be brush-less too) you'll help me get the 450L in the air eh???, as a lot more packages of part's came today (A few more then start the build). But some like the Align ESC wasn't cheap.. You see I'll have fun building it, as it'll be my first decent electric heli.....But might need help setting up my OrangeTX which is Spectrum compatible with the receivers...

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05-04-2018 11:50 PM  15 days agoPost 10
JuanRodriguez

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Nice basic hovering type maneuvers..... I hope that you don't refer to that as FFF !!

Based on what I see in the video, you'll be MUCH better served with a collective heli ! You're ready for it...... However........

I've taught many people how to fly helis but found it most beneficial to teach them how to fly an airplane after they learned how to "hover"..... Flying an airplane gets you ready to FFF with a heli......

With what you have flying now (video heli) you really need to start doing figure 8's so that you're flying in both directions......start small and then farther away from you...... that is, instead of what you're doing now which is basically making a pass and then ending the leg with a high hover, finish the full turn and fly a distance past you and then make a full turn to return in the opposite direction..... does that make any sense ??

As has been suggested, you're best bet in setting up your collective pitch heli is to find someone locally that can help you set it up. It will be extremely difficult to do over a keyboard.....

BTW,what language is that you guys are speaking ?? Russian ??

English is not my native language.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-04-2018 11:52 PM  15 days agoPost 11
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Noo. I know that it ain't free flight, and I'm British. You see I found a video on YouTube, so you can see how I fly the F45 (I think that they are Russian or somewhere in eastern Europe), am I ready for collective then. Also using my Sim too (No heli help here where I live, so I'm on me own)
Though you do make sense about what your saying...

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05-05-2018 12:01 AM  15 days agoPost 12
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Oh, I see..... that is NOT you flying in that video...... The way your post was worded lead me to believe it was you flying it.....and then the Russian dialect got me wondering ! And I thought you were giving me the finger at the end !!!

I'm glad it wasn't you cause I'm not at all impressed !!!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-05-2018 12:08 AM  15 days agoPost 13
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Your not impressed with that flying on a fixed pitch then, as I fly like they do (That's what I was trying to say).. You see this heli is not a beginner heli. All Hobby Shops say that on YouTube about the F45... They say start with a sim first.. But I just bought it put the training gear on and off I went with it, in my back yard first.. Now I don't need the training gear on... When I lived in the UK.. I was in a flying club and flew Glow powered planes(OS 50 size Trainers).. Wing on top of the fuselage, and tricycle under carriage (Not tail draggers)..

But I dropped out in the end cos to fly for a day.. You had to get a flying book from another member (Had to call on the phone), without it the club wouldn't let you fly (Not all members had their own book), so that was a nightmare each time you wanted to fly your plane at the field.. No book No fly (It was their stupid club rules.. You coudn't just turn up at the field and fly..

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05-05-2018 12:38 AM  15 days agoPost 14
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Not sure what a "flying book" is but in many clubs I'm familiar with here in Florida and in upstate NY, require an experienced flyer to "sign off" on a "newbie" before they could go out and fly on their own....

I agree with that policy as it makes a lot of sense for safety and liability (to the club) concerns..... there are many experienced pilots that can work with a beginner and get them to solo safely and then after that they are on their own to progress or they can continue to work with an experienced instructor.....that's too bad you don't have anyone to rely on.....

PS..... the Heli Shops will tell you anything you want to hear to make the sale !!!

And if you already know how to fly planes then you should be able to fly your fixed pitch heli much better than the guy on the video !! Just fly that little guy just like you would a plane !! You should even be able to loop it given enough forward speed and altitude !

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-05-2018 12:49 AM  15 days agoPost 15
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Well, I was in the club for over a year so wasn't classed as a newbie. They just never did give my own "Book" or Permanent license to fly. You see they didn't have enough for all members, so I hated to call someone to borrow it for the day, and sometimes you couldn't borrow one cos all the members who had them were at the field flying (Lucky them) and that happened a lot of times, so was not worth going to the field just to watch. That's no fun at all.. rules rules eh???..

Oh, noo not sure if you can do loop the loop with on a fixed pitch or do 3D, as for planes.. I haven't flown them since the 80's (I'm a old fart now)

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05-05-2018 01:00 AM  15 days agoPost 16
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Yes, you can do a loop with a fixed pitch heli !! You need to have plenty of altitude and a good amount of forward speed.....

Same thing with a collective pitch heli...... You DON'T need negative pitch to do a loop, just plenty of altitude and forward speed.......

Your "newbieness" is shining right through !!!!

PS---- a loop is not considered 3D ......

Please explain what the "book" thing is all about.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-05-2018 01:01 AM  15 days agoPost 17
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I know that a loop is not considered 3D, and my newbieness is not shinning out too..

PS I think the "Book" is Permanent license (Soo many years ago).. Hard to remember what it looked like (Maybe like a UK driving license) Oh, looked like a passport.. But no picture and had your name in it..

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05-05-2018 01:09 AM  15 days agoPost 18
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UKhelinoob
I know that a loop is not considered 3D, and my newbieness is not shinning out too..
I'm basing my statement on a lot of the questions you've been asking on several of these threads and basically on your comments....... such as the ones above.....

I guess I must be missing something !!!! I wish I was closer to you so that I could help you.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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05-05-2018 01:27 AM  15 days agoPost 19
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You are missing something, as I'm just blabbing about things with all my hobby projects that I doing.. But I am good at building and with electronics too (didn't you know), as I am able fit a 7.2v 850 mAh Lipo in your spectrum (spectrum don't use them only AA) That's all, and you should move to crummy old Michigan (Oh why did I move here of all places)... (No help with top-of the-line Heli's)... You what I'm fun to be with..No skill in that..

Oh, at least no skill is needed in driving a 1/5th scale gasser Monster Truck too.. Just run over the small kids with it at the local park, since the wheels are 10 inches high, and 6 inches wide...

Oh again.. Can you do Loop the Loop with a coaxial heli, as I have 2 of them here. One is very large though 4 feet 5 inches long (Nose to tail)..It runs on a 14.2v lipo 4000mAh (Has 2 400 motors)..., is my newbie coming out..

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05-05-2018 03:49 AM  15 days agoPost 20
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Here's a better video of how my flying skill is with it.. But that's not me in the video though (He does look a bit like me without the earring rings). What do you think, am I ready to try collective pitch heli with no help at all.... No fancy flying with my MJX F45.. Just the easy stuff (It took me 6 months to get this far on my own) Not easy at all.. But I must admit.. My first electric heli was a MJX T55 coaxial Heli (2.4GHz)..I fitted higher revving motors to it, so it would fly a bit better on windy days (Motors have external removable brushes).. You see coaxial Heli's don't like wind, so I didn't want the heli end up going down wind, and struggling to fly up wind..Also the heli has one servo on it to control the pitch on the bottom blades (No motor on the tail), so it's a bit more wind friendly, and I still have it...

Watch at YouTube

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