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02-14-2018 05:13 PM  3 days agoPost 1
jbjones

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About 13 months ago I was looking for a 'plastic fantastic', and came upon the quest lineup. Having never owned or flown a Kyosho product, I decided to give it a go. I've done a lot of reading and research, and kind of wondered why I never got one of these machines.

Anyway, I bought it from RCJapan shipped to me for less than $600. Granted, that's probably a lot for what it is, but I wanted it. You may be asking yourself why it has taken me over a year to get to it if I wanted it so badly. The answer is that I was a bit disappointed after opening the box. It came out nearly fully assembled. Not a huge deal-breaker, but what really set me back was the canopy. I just don't like it. I was thinking I'd pull a Caliber-looking canopy out of this box, like is in the pictures on the Quest site. Not so.

It's a nice, thick fiberglass canopy. The colors are good for orientation...I just don't like it.

I wasted some time not looking in the right places (actual kyosho manuals for the various calibers) and some money by buying a Caliber 5 canopy. Yeah, that doesn't fit. Had I realized that the Neo-Caliber 50 is actually Caliber 4 frames then I would have corrected that back then. I did find that Kyosho America has a fire-sale on a ton of Caliber parts. Luckily for me they had a Caliber 3 canopy and Caliber 4 sitckers (I like the green/yellow) in stock for a reasonable price.

Now, I'm ready to get this show on the road. I had a NIB YS .50 laying around, so that is was was installed. I have found that every non-locknut bolt that I have inspected does have loctite on it. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be surprised, but it was a welcoming find.

I didn't get photos of the clutch stack being installed, but it was unique for me. I kind of like the way Kyosho designed it. It pretty much eliminates any need for dial-indication. The clutch and clutch shaft screw right on to the crankshaft. Clever.

Because it was so long ago, I don't have pics of the box it shipped in, or how it was packed. I'll update this post as I continue. I've got the electronics to complete the assembly in the mail, so hopefully I will be flying the thing before too long.

J. B. Jones

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02-14-2018 06:24 PM  3 days agoPost 2
BeltFedBrowning

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I like the 2 stage drive. looks like it will be really smooth.

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02-15-2018 04:08 AM  2 days agoPost 3
vfinohio

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Thanks for posting this. My first heli was a Kyosho Concept 30 so I've always had a fondness for Kyosho even though I sold it a long time ago. Had been looking at the Quest stuff more recently but have been afraid to purchase one since it is not supported here in the states. Look forward to seeing what you think!

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02-15-2018 02:14 PM  2 days agoPost 4
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Let me see if I got this right...

Kyosho never made helicopters.?.? Is that right? The helicopters they sold were, and still are, made by Quest?

Back in the day we all bought Kyosho Caliber helicopters from TowerHobbies but in actuality they were Quest helicopters and only marketed by Kyosho through Great Planes? When Great Planes decided to discontinue selling Kyosho (Quest) helicopters, we were lead to believe these helicopters were no longer available - the truth being the parent manufacture never ceased making them and the Caliber line was and is still available?

See all the question marks? Someone set me right.

http://quest-co.jp/rc/neofbl-50.html

Got any other links for reading and information?

Bill

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02-15-2018 02:22 PM  2 days agoPost 5
jbjones

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BeltFedBrowning
I like the 2 stage drive. looks like it will be really smooth.
That's the word from some Caliber pilots that I've seen posted on here through the years. I hope so, that would be nice.
vfinohio
Thanks for posting this.
Sure thing. Why not have more helicopters on a heli forum? That's never a bad thing. I'll try to get more pics as I progress. I did notice that I neglected to take a good pic of the most important component....the head! It's coming...
wjvail
See all the question marks? Someone set me right.
All good questions, Bill. I've read a lot of stuff over the past few weeks, and I want to say that I saw that Quest was the OEM for Kyosho, but I can't find that link as proof. I'm sure someone here has first-hand knowledge.

I was able to make some progress, although not much, last night. I got the canopy trimmed up. I was pleased with this canopy. It's fairly thick, strong milk-jug quality. It wasn't deformed in the mold, and that is my #1 gripe with a lot of milk-jug canopies. So far, so good.

J. B. Jones

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02-16-2018 12:32 AM  1 day agoPost 6
vfinohio

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I would like to see pics of the head and how the mechanics/servos are laid out if you get a chance. I really liked the mechanics when the original Caliber 30(flybar) came out as it seemed to take some of the design from the high end Caliber 60 FAI machine. The only issue I had with that one was the canopy - it wasn't the prettiest!

Oh and is the tail belt driven or does it have a torque tube?

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02-16-2018 01:08 AM  1 day agoPost 7
jbjones

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vfinohio
I would like to see pics of the head and how the mechanics/servos are laid out if you get a chance.
Indeed. I do have a pic of the head. I'll get the pics of the servo tray up tomorrow when I get back to work. I don't have very good bandwidth here.

The servo tray is built out of carbon fiber plate. It's interesting...The manual shows the model with the 700EP plastic servo tray. This one is configured almost exactly the same, just built from carbon plate.

vfinohio
Oh and is the tail belt driven or does it have a torque tube?
It's a belt driven tail. Pretty much everything on this model is Caliber 4. The head, servo tray, control arms, engine mount and tail feathers are new designs. The tail feathers (stab and vertical fin) are carbon fiber. I've actually bought the plastic Caliber stab and fin. I kind of like it better.
vfinohio
The only issue I had with that one was the canopy - it wasn't the prettiest!
Ha! Yeah...Kyosho canopies are an acquired taste, I reckon. The Caliber 30 was just awful. The 3,4,5,6 and the 90 are pretty nice, I think. The 90 being the nicest. If I like the way this one flies and holds up, I might have to look into one of those Impactions...good looking machines, but that's a story for a different day.

J. B. Jones

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02-16-2018 10:13 AM  1 day agoPost 8
wjvail

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Look at how long that main mast is! Most recently I've been flying my FBL helicopters and gotten used to looking at shorter main shafts. On my Tempest converted to FBL I actually was able to shorten the MM 10mm after removing the washout.

Even for a flybared helicopter that thing is long. Usually the space above the washout levers is minimal. There has to be 25mm above the swash driver and the control rods are a foot long!

Is there something unique in the head or location of the tail boom that requires such a long mast? Is it for clearance with the boom or does the head flap more than usual.

None of this is a criticism. In fact I like it. I'm just trying to understand why they did it that way.

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02-16-2018 12:29 PM  1 day agoPost 9
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Look at how long that main mast is!
Oh yeah..it's 10" from the top of the main gear to the head-button. 6" from the top of the frame to the button. Lot of mast up there in the wind. I'm not going to speculate why it's this way....but I bet it hovers very well! Time will tell...

J. B. Jones

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02-16-2018 02:06 PM  1 day agoPost 10
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vfinohio
I would like to see pics of the head and how the mechanics/servos are laid out if you get a chance.
Here's a shot of the new servo tray. The locations of the servos are pretty much exactly where they would be in the EP700 tray

I should be getting servos and FBL unit in today, so hopefully I can make big progress with a rainy Saturday on the horizon.

J. B. Jones

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