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01-03-2018 11:26 PM  18 days agoPost 21
ICUR1-2

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I still want to put more miles on my 600N is the only problem .
Changing over or staying glow ATM would almost equal in cost.

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01-04-2018 01:45 AM  18 days agoPost 22
pctomlin

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Not to derail this thread, but what is the current situation for a good gasser heli to start out with.

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01-04-2018 02:00 AM  18 days agoPost 23
JuanRodriguez

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pctomlin
Not to derail this thread, but what is the current situation for a good gasser heli to start out with.
Look at the thread from the beginning.... I think that the answer to your question lies within ....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-04-2018 03:46 AM  18 days agoPost 24
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pctomlin
Not to derail this thread, but what is the current situation for a good gasser heli to start out with.
Look around, alot are good, but you need to make sure you can get parts for them or else you will crash and be SOL.

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01-04-2018 04:26 AM  18 days agoPost 25
Chuck Bole

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I'm saving up pennies to do my 766.

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01-04-2018 02:18 PM  17 days agoPost 26
RM3

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Not to derail this thread, but what is the current situation for a good gasser heli to start out with.
no offense to any "brand"... but go with one that is not a conversion so that your not hunting down parts from multiple sources... right now thats MA whiplash...

otherwise your stuck with mainstream conversions from Leviathan, Helibug and the new guy Blackout... there are others.

gassers IMHO have died back quite a bit since around 2012, especially after MA closed its doors suddenly... then Bergen stopped offering kit and went strictly built for you style, TSA made promises for 5 years, Airstar fell down a bottomless pit and the cheap Century line is no longer supporting them (parts are scarce)

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-04-2018 03:17 PM  17 days agoPost 27
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Isn't about the only place you can find parts for the Whiplash is thru MA in Germany?

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01-04-2018 03:22 PM  17 days agoPost 28
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I think so... but they have everything as far as I have been lead to believe.

Besides, who else makes parts in the USA (other than Bergen)... no one.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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01-04-2018 03:36 PM  17 days agoPost 29
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Thats why I went with bergen in the past and will continue in the future as long as they support their helis. Are you talking about making parts or finding parts online thru a US distributor. I believe that if you have to order parts out of the country every time you crash you are just asking for trouble. Customs, shipping delays come to mind. As long as you can get parts thru US distribution then its all good.

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01-04-2018 05:26 PM  17 days agoPost 30
tonyd12

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whiplashparts

Cajin aircraft is the US distributer for whiplash
Excellent machine and the only factory designed gasser. Not a conversion, and I have 2 conversions but I think whippy is better.

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01-04-2018 06:35 PM  17 days agoPost 31
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That 766 looks SWEET, I believe I found my dream machine .


Of course parts are important .
From my personal experience, when you already have the parts, your less likely to need them.
Plus it helps free your worries

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01-04-2018 07:17 PM  17 days agoPost 32
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Who makes the gas engines?, I have never seen one up close, is OS the main supplier for various models.

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01-04-2018 07:27 PM  17 days agoPost 33
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Zenoah Engines

The majority use Zenoah engines.

http://www.zenoah.co.jp/int/products/hobby-engines/

Either stock or modded by Hanson or TRM, for those in North America.

-Kevin

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01-04-2018 10:02 PM  17 days agoPost 34
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Excellent machine and the only factory designed gasser.
Not correct.

MA Whiplash
Vario Benzin
Bergen
Quest Caliber ZG

It was my understanding the Synergy 766 gasser is going to be offered as a factory kit??

And until recently JR GSR260Z

It all comes down to what you want it for, how much you really want it and how much money you’re willing to pay.

I own a GSR260Z and just love it. It’s an easy to fly 800. It’s also dirt cheap to run, flies for 30 minutes on a 600cc tank but is not for 3d and nor am I.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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01-04-2018 10:48 PM  17 days agoPost 35
JuanRodriguez

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PaulBowen
I own a GSR260Z and just love it.
where do you get your crash parts for this ??

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-04-2018 11:56 PM  17 days agoPost 36
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where do you get your crash parts for this ??
I don’t! I just try as hard as possible not to crash it

I believe RC Depot in Japan have some parts but further production isn’t planned at this stage.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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01-05-2018 12:34 AM  17 days agoPost 37
rbort

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If you are thinking that way...

The price and availability glow fuel is pushing me towards gas
They are giving away gassers for free...! How? Think about your current setup, buy nitro, and fly. Every flight costs at least 5 bucks, and for 700 size you can get say 6 flights in a gallon or about 1 hour of airtime, right?

Gassers fly for over an hour, about 70 minutes, but call it 1 hour per 1/2 gallon. So for every gallon you buy to fly for 1 hour, with gassers you SAVE maybe $27-32? What's your price for a gallon of 30% nitro, is it $30-$35? A gallon of gas with oil is about $3 when gas is closer to 2 bucks a gallon, or less than $4 if gas is more expensive in your area close to 3 bucks.

Anyway, fly 10 gallons or 10 hours, pocket about $300. Fly 100 hours, and you're pocketed $3000 which is the price of a complete gasser decked out with top of the line servos, even a Jewel generator, and modified Hanson engine for example.

If you were flying nitro, you would have paid $3000 just to put your heli in the air, but with the gasser, you save all the money to buy crash parts with it or to pay for your gasser. Think about it for a minute...

As for which gasser to fly, the best 3D gasser out there is the Whiplash by Miniature Aircraft. The new v2 version has alot of upgraded parts and fixed the issue with the one way bearing that was in the pinion on the V1 version. You can buy parts direct from Germany, or you can buy parts locally from Scott at Cajun Aircraft here in the USA. Its a purpose built gasser, designed from the ground up as a gasser, and weighs less than most conversions. Conversions are cool and they give you alot of variety, but they can cost you more as you need the kit, plus the cost of the conversion which is in the $400-500 range if you get the start shaft option or not.

The only other purpose build gassers are the Varios, but those are designed for scale applications and come in quite heavy, over 15 lbs on average. Bergen is no longer making gassers or parts, I think he sold all his stock and will do support for existing customers but that's about it.

The synergy is a very nice machine/conversion, but its also bigger but flying with the same 300 engine you could put in a 700 class machine. In the hands of Matt it looks very good, and the engine does rev, but if you load it the rotor head does not hold its speed because its big power to size ratio for the engine. Watch the video and look at the blades.

Matt is running 1950 head speed for momentum and momentary pop. When he loads the disk it drops down to 1650 in some cases. 1800 head speed the blades look stopped, 1950 they are turning at a set speed clockwise in the video past stopped, and 1650 they would be turning at the same set speed at 1950 but counter clockwise. Knowing this you can gage the head speed in a hover versus in a maneuver.

Imagine Matt flying the whiplash with his skills, it would be alot more responsive as it swings 695-716 blades and weights about 2 lbs less, holds the head speed alot easier and gives you more freedom with the sticks (less collective management). You gain 1/2 pound if built with the generator system, lights, battery monitors, fuel tank light, etc, that I put my Whiplash. Those items add to my enjoyment, and give me endless flying all day any day no requirement to charge on the bench ever, so I welcome the extra 1/2 lb of weight for this advantage.

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4158 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3232 flts
Whiplash V1 Hanson 300, 1485 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 256 flts

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01-05-2018 12:44 AM  17 days agoPost 38
Doublah

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No disrespect at all, but I do not fly helis to save money! I fly to enjoy them and I have flown a couple of gassers and they are boring as hell. I understand and get where you can save money, but they are pigs flying these days. Just depends on what you want. 99% of pilots fly electric or nitro's.

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01-05-2018 12:44 AM  17 days agoPost 39
dbcaster

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Your math is off. If your paying $30-$35 a gallon for nitro your shopping in the wrong place.

Some arguments are sound and nothing more

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01-05-2018 12:50 AM  17 days agoPost 40
Chuck Bole

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The 766 can also run in a 716 configuration

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