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01-02-2018 05:04 PM  4 months agoPost 1
youngbuck

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Ok I just built my first goblin 700 electric build and besides my G500 it's my first big electric. I just have no idea how to set up a governed head speed.
I'm pretty sure I'll only be hovering and not really going into idle one or two.
But this is my setup scorpion motor, CC 160hv, microbeast,BK servos, torq tail servo, 12s pulse packs, and 7.4 pulse receiver pack. My question is can I regulate the headspeed with this castle ESC or flybarless unit or do I have to buy a separate device to gorvern the headspeed?
I know I'm still a newbie but please bare with me.
Also is there any issues using my 2s pulse 2250 7.4v battery to power my receiver, servo and microbeast? Thanks in advance guys!

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01-02-2018 05:25 PM  4 months agoPost 2
Heli Fanatix

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The CC itself has an internal GOV option but it’s best to use the beastx
- YouTube some video to setup GOV with the beasts
- worst case, if your beastx doesn’t have the Ext Gov .. you can use the Internal Simple GOV on your CC.
- CC has good tech support

Watch video a few times to let the info soak in

- Scott

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01-02-2018 05:48 PM  4 months agoPost 3
youngbuck

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Ok that's good info, I will check out some videos on you tube. I also think that I read somewhere that you might not be able to use the microbeast as a governor when using a regular receiver, but u can when using an S-bus receiver? Does that sound correct? It makes no sense to me but I'm not even really sure how a flybarless unit could detect rpm's anyways. Pretty high tech if it can.
And can someone answer the question as to my receiver being too much power? My servos are HV but I certainly do not want to overload the microbeast or rec... thanks guys

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01-02-2018 06:46 PM  4 months agoPost 4
JuanRodriguez

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Are there any experienced pilots in your area that can help you sort some of these things out ???

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-03-2018 11:44 AM  4 months agoPost 5
youngbuck

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No that is my biggest issue, I live in the back woods of Maine (Bangor) and nobody up here flys helis.
The one local hobby shop only deals with cars trucks boats and Alittle airplane stuff.
And this is the main reason while I struggle. I looked on the mentor post and found one guy in Portland but that's 3 1/2 hours away.
Hence why I ask you to bare with me cause I have a pretty nice fleet, an older simulator but I still need help with the governor. I set the microbeast up by myself and the pitch range but just need help with some final adjustments . Thanks

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01-03-2018 02:48 PM  4 months agoPost 6
Dyehard

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I'm assuming to start with you are using a BeastX Plus. For sport flying the governor built into the CC speed control works quite well. Unless you are doing hard 3D I don't think you will be able to tell difference from using it compared to the available governor in the BeastX. You will have to purchase the CastleLink interface to set up the governor in the CC and download the program from Castle to set up their governor. Their is a YouTube video on setting up the CC governor in Set RPM mode and it is easy to do.

The voltage range given by Microbeast for BeastX Plus is 3.5 to 8.5 volts. You didn't say what receiver you are using. Horizon gives pretty much the same voltage range for their receivers and most Sbus Futaba receivers can be used on a two cell lipo pack, so you should be safe with your Pulse pack.

Allen Dye

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01-03-2018 03:20 PM  4 months agoPost 7
rcflyerheli

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I didn't see that you had listed what radio system you are running. Which transmitter and receiver?

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01-03-2018 04:42 PM  4 months agoPost 8
ticedoff8

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Simply:
Using a 2S LiPo for the flight system is fine.
All the electronics you listed are good for the higher voltage.

A few things about the governor:
No matter how you do it, you should invest $25 in the Castle Creation "Castle Link USB" adapter. If you bought the Castle Creation ESC new, it should have come with a coupon with a code and that code can be entered at the CC web site and they will send it to you free.
http://www.castlecreations.com/en/a...kit-011-0119-00

The newer CC Phoenix Edge series ESC have 2 "servo connectors" - one with 3-wires (black, red, orange) and the other with 1 wire (white).
The white wire can be programmed as an "RPM Out" that can be connected to the BeastX's "gov input". This will allow the BeastX to control the RPM of the motor
But, you have to also buy the BeastX's software key that unlocks the BeastX's governor feature.
To get this working requires programming both the ESC and the BeastX

Using the CastleLink USB, you can simply use the ESC's internal governor and be done with it. The ESC will need some basic details about the motor and the helicopter's main gear ratio and it is ready to go.
The ESC's internal governor will support up to 3 different headspeeds based on input from the throttle channel.

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01-03-2018 07:26 PM  4 months agoPost 9
youngbuck

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Awesome info guys, you have no idea how much you helped me out.
I have the futaba 8j and a futaba r2008 sb rec.
And I bought the castle used but it is the one with the white aux cable so that's good. I'm pretty sure I can figure it out from here.
I also have the microbeast and MB plus. I'm pretty sure the plus is on the 700 that we are discussing. Now just running all these diff headspeeds may be tricky to correspond with normal, idle 1 and idle 2 but I'm sure I can figure it out when I get the castle link USB.
I do have the little link card from castle but I obv need to download the castle firmware to really set it up I'm sure.
Thanks soo much guys! Happy new year!

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01-03-2018 08:41 PM  4 months agoPost 10
Pistol Pete

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youngbuck
Also is there any issues using my 2s pulse 2250 7.4v battery to power my receiver, servo and microbeast?
Yes, I do see an issue with your Rx R2008SB as its voltage rating is from 4.8V to 7.4V

Your 2S "LiPo" can fully charge to 8.4V

The printed voltage on "LiPo" labeling is based on 3.7V per cell. This is nominal (or storage) voltage...not max.

Your BK servos (8.4V max) and microbeast (8.5V max) can handle a 2S "LiPo" with no issues.

You might want to consider getting a 2S "LiFe" instead since its max full voltage is only 7.2V and within Rx voltage specs.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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01-04-2018 12:27 PM  4 months agoPost 11
Dyehard

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Futaba rates all their receivers at the nominal voltage of a 2 cell lipo pack. They will work just fine on a fully charged two cell lipo. Just like when they used to rate their receivers at 4.8 volts, because that was the nominal voltage of a NiCad pack, even though a fully charged NiCad pack was 5.2 volts or higher.

Allen Dye

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01-04-2018 01:02 PM  4 months agoPost 12
Dyehard

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Youngbuck, at I've already states, there is a YouTube video that explains very well how to set up the Castle governor in SET RPM mode. You have to put such parameters as main gear ratio on your heli, how many poles in you motor and several others. You have to set the throttle curves for flat curves of 30% in normal, 70% in idle one and 100% in idle two. I usually set my normal curve to 0% at low stick and 30% from a quarter stick up, that allows me to have the heli to spool up in soft start by just advancing the throttle stick like I would with a nitro heli. A lot of fliers just keep their normal curved flat at at 30% and let the heli soft start when they take it out of throttle hold. Your choice. Just follow the directions in the video, it explains the setup very well. Look on YouTube for Castle Quick links.

Allen Dye

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01-04-2018 03:48 PM  4 months agoPost 13
old nitroman

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When you test it MAKE SURE BLADES ARE OFF THE HELI.

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01-04-2018 04:44 PM  4 months agoPost 14
nickwap

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Did anyone say take all the blades off Tail included ?

"Give me another one, this one's broke!"

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01-04-2018 06:13 PM  4 months agoPost 15
Heli Fanatix

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There are so many ways to do it but you have to learn the basics and start putting your own twist to it once you learn the concept. That is why I provided enough information to point you in the right direction. Once you research and learn, you will be able to answer all your own questions. Please understand it’s part of the process

There are things that have to be done correctly. Although some short cuts can be taken, there is always a cost.

If you are open to an alternative that can:
- eliminate a RX Pack
- excellent GOV’n
- stupid simple to setup
- BEC will handle Hard 3D [even for cordless servos]
- very stable track record performance if setup right
- gives you 3 HS on the fly
- compact design
- will clean up your wiring and lighten your heli flying weight
- no fiddling with PC, Configurations, Numbers, calculations, divide this in half, etc

If sounds like it interest you .. PM me

- Scott

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01-04-2018 09:52 PM  4 months agoPost 16
JuanRodriguez

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If sounds like it interest you .. PM me
What do you charge for your service ??

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-04-2018 10:16 PM  4 months agoPost 17
Heli Fanatix

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I charge as much as you charge Juan
- but my advice is worth more than yours

- Scott

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01-04-2018 10:26 PM  4 months agoPost 18
JuanRodriguez

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Heli Fanatix
I charge as much as you charge Juan
- but my advice is worth more than yours
It's better he know what you'll be charging him up front rather than be blind sided later....

That's the best advice "I" can offer..... and it's a darned good one...and that's FREE !

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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01-04-2018 10:47 PM  4 months agoPost 19
Heli Fanatix

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Honesty is an expensive gift .. can’t expect it from cheap people.

I don’t charge for any help. Look at my post and your post. I have already posted the answer in my past post in this forum. The point was of the PM was to give an alternative option but not to do a disservice for all those what have replied to the thread. Trying not to derail the thread but looks like you are really good at doing that

Juan ... all your posts are:
- full opinions
- remarks
- comments
- offers no solution
- does not contribute but inflame
- kinda like unwanted junk mail

I admit these are my opinions of you and welcome to my ignore list!

Don’t have to see your Trolling any further

- Scott

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01-04-2018 10:56 PM  4 months agoPost 20
JuanRodriguez

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Heli Fanatix
I admit these are my opinion but welcome to my ignore list!
Opinions are like "aholes, we all have one and they all stink" !!

The ignore list works only for posts that YOU generate..... so in posts like this where you seem to prey on people, I'll be able to keep an eye out for the benefit of the OP like in this case.....
And hopefully having me on your ignore list will stop the silly PM's you're sending me.....

PS-- If you're so willing to share your "advice on alternatives" then you should be posting them here on this thread so that all can benefit,not over "private" PM's...

My guess is that you're probably trying to sell something or charge for "services"... instead....

And I'm sure you'll be taking me off ignore long enough to read all of my responses that involve you....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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