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11-08-2017 03:04 PM  33 days agoPost 21
Ladymagic

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you are 100% correct, the problem is that the armed forces let's them in, and they should noT !!!!
Says who? Says you or the constitution?

You do realize you probably worked right along side "them" at some point in your working life and you didn't have a problem.

The Armed Forces didn't just let "them" in they have been serving for longer than you realized just not openly.

At least "they" are willing to serve in spite of some people's attitudes about them. The president will still send "them" out to fight for his ego before he would ever put his own butt on the front lines. How could he call himself a patriot yet he selfishly dodged his own chance to serve this nation he is so proud of. Bone spurs? Really I've known people desperate to serve but have real medical issues. How is he now charged with leading the Armed Forces he was so unwilling to serve in?

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11-08-2017 03:13 PM  33 days agoPost 22
sjgusmc21

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'Them' do not belong in the military. Nor do females in the infantry. There are combat roles that females can certainly do, no doubt, and more power to them. But as tankers, arty, or infantry, no.

Transgender's have no place in our military. They want to serve, then be a Firefighter, EMT, or public servant. BUT NOT THE MILITARY.

The military cannot be a place for social experiments.

My personal views are the same for gay people. Male or female. Don't care. I have seen what it can lead to.

You don't agree, fine. Don't care.

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11-08-2017 03:21 PM  33 days agoPost 23
Ladymagic

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Bigotry again....
really?!

I'm only stating the obvious. Here's my point.....

-A Muslim attacks happened in the country...ban ALL "mussies" as you say.

-Latinos do nothing except work hard and do work no one in the US wants to do in the first place...they are ALL "criminals and rapists" and stealing American jobs...build a wall.

-Black men tired of men like them being targeted and shot down by bigoted and scared cops, protest social inequality and execution without due process...they are ungrateful SOBs that should be grateful for what you allowed them to have. AND they are ALL"thugs" who probably deserved it anyways.

Two white men collectively kill nearly 100 random people (including women and children!) whom have nothing to do with them....silence and now its the Air Force's fault? The other one? Oh, its now a conspiracy perpetrated by ANTIFA, BLM, Clinton, Feminists, and liberals.

Psstf

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11-08-2017 03:38 PM  33 days agoPost 24
Ladymagic

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Transgender's have no place in our military. They want to serve, then be a Firefighter, EMT, or public servant. BUT NOT THE MILITARY.
The military cannot be a place for social experiments.
Why can they be Firefighters, EMTs, or public servants, but not a Military servicemen? What's the difference?

If they can perform then why it should matter. There are perfectly straight men and women "serving" right now in the Armed Forces that can't pass a stink'n PT test...can't do 10 Pushups?! Can't run 1 1/2 Miles?! can't do a sit up?! ALWAYS on a PT profile or waiver...Really? AND they suck at their specialty and are always a problem at work. But you would rather have them stay in and suck up space because they aren't "gay" than a Transgender who performs consistently day to day.

The military only cares about consistent performance...and sexual preference has nothing to do with how well you can contribute to the mission.

Mellisa

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11-08-2017 03:46 PM  33 days agoPost 25
Mark Ryder

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Ladymagic
Why can they be Firefighters, EMTs, or public servants, but not a Military servicemen? What's the difference?
Maybe life and death unit cohesion.

Mark Ryder

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11-08-2017 03:48 PM  33 days agoPost 26
rcmiket

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Why can they be Firefighters, EMTs, or public servants, but not a Military servicemen? What's the difference?
I'm starting to wonder if your actually in the military after that response.

Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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11-08-2017 03:50 PM  33 days agoPost 27
sjgusmc21

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LM, as I said, I don't really care what you think or if you agree or disagree with me. I have my opinion as you do.

I will not argue with you. You will not change your mind any more then I will.

Call me a bigot, whatever. Don't care, but I deeply care for our men and women in uniform, and the less stress they have, the more they can focus on the task at hand.

Semper Fi!

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11-08-2017 03:50 PM  33 days agoPost 28
RM3

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its the Air Force's fault?
Sorry LadyMagic... but in this case... yeah it was the Airforces Fault, at least that is where it started... they already admitted that they failed to properly file the paper work to keep this individual from being able to purchase fire arms as a civilian... granted this would have not kept him from getting his hands on one like from a straw purchase or friends or family.

The truth, I know it hurts to hear it, is that we failed our neighbors. We all failed. failed to recognize this guy as a ticking time bomb, failed to recognize this guy needed to be locked up, and the locals failed to be prepared to confront the danger.

Madmen like him will always have the upper hand, anything can be used to kill... fact is it takes minimal effort to kill anyone with nearly anything, what is the most difficult is to stop the threat BEFORE it takes action against us.

We, of sane mind, law abiding and able body should try to be better prepared to confront such threats, carry concealed when able and practice when possible to deploy self defense measures as quickly and accurately as possible... then hope you never have to resort to that training, neither for yourself or those around you.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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11-08-2017 04:06 PM  33 days agoPost 29
Ladymagic

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'Them' do not belong in the military. Nor do females in the infantry. There are combat roles that females can certainly do, no doubt, and more power to them. But as tankers, arty, or infantry, no.
Whah?

Are you serious? Wow, were you born in the 1950's? Or maybe you watch too much TV.

I am a woman why can't I be an infantrymen? If I can carry my 70lbs ruck sack and fire my weapon and move with the team then why can't I serve in a combat role? I have shot expert three times in my career so far and "qualed" on the M16, M4, and the M9 and served a whole year as a Security Forces Augmentee after 9/11. The Air Force says I'm more than qualified to be outside of the wire.

How about you? How about I stick you on convoy duty with Trump and a dirt road full of IEDs and see if you can handle it. Will you fight or cower away from the sound of gun fire? You see, your reaction has nothing to do with where you have balls or ovaries...its your personal capacity for fight or flight.

Men with attitudes just like yours opposed integrating the services with black servicemen and women also. By your accounts, "blacks" shouldn't serve either right? They weren't smart enough to lead or deal with complex, high pressure situations or machinery. So, they were made to be cooks and secretaries.

Have we digressed that far?

Mellisa

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11-08-2017 04:17 PM  33 days agoPost 30
RM3

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I am a woman why can't I be an infantrymen?
because its not about YOU.... its the shift in attitude that the horny/feel sorry for you males will have... get it?

no manner of training will ever change the primitive male brain from being distracted by the ONLY female fit enough to be in combat arms.

consider what would happen if you got shot as did your commander out on patrol in say Iraq and only one of you could be saved by the unit... the units members (mostly male) would feel more compelled to save you over the commander. thoughts of what would happen to a female POW vs that of a male POW inadvertently flood the primitive monkey brain of the male... Its been proven time and again in research that this inherent emotional behavior shown by nearly all males.

it centers around distraction outside of the mission at hand.

we had 4 females as part of our battalion while in Iraq... one stayed back cause the "mysteriously" got pregnant... the 3 left went with us... one was decently attractive (well after 6 months of no female contract) the other two where well below average... (but 1 got pregnant sometime just before coming back home, guess someone got desperate). long story short the whole experience reminded me of mating season and the rut.... males constantly strutting their stuff, showing off, talking $hit to show their dominance etc... and the females reaped the rewards of being a rare commodity by receiving favor and gifts...(except for that one ugly chick... you couldnt drink her pretty no matter how hard you tried)

Hell a field grade officer in my unit got in trouble for porking a female specialist during my first deployment... when she didnt get what she wanted, she reported the relationship to higher command.

now back to the primary topic please.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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11-08-2017 04:23 PM  33 days agoPost 31
Ladymagic

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Maybe life and death unit cohesion.
Sorry Mark,

Life or death? Na, there's no evidence to show that a transgender would serve any different under pressure than average Joe Blow.

Unit cohesion can be impacted by a number of factors...i.e poor leadership, bad actors, or a hostile work environments. Those seem to be the root cause more than anything else.

Simply being transgender is only a factor if the individuals in that group have attitudes that any one person shouldn't be there for whatever reason. Kinda like what I'm seeing here.

As a SNCO, I am directed to pull YOU aside and let you that your attitude is counter productive and is not acceptable by military standards, not the transgender. MEO (Military Equal Opportunity) would have a field day with some of the comments here. You have no idea how many EO and discrimination briefings and CC calls I have to deal with every year.

Transgengers are serving you right now in the every branch...and most units adapted well. I'm sure if they were that much of a detriment, our top brass with let it be known...but as it stands...only the president seems to take issue....and you guys of course.

You should be more concerned with the Bergdal's (perfectly straight btw) than the transgenders.

Mellisa

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11-08-2017 04:27 PM  33 days agoPost 32
EEngineer

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ban ALL "mussies" as you say.
Don't you tell me what I said.....you got that?

Take that chip and stick it.....

Logo 600SXs, 800XX, TDR IIs

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11-08-2017 04:37 PM  33 days agoPost 33
Mark Ryder

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Ladymagic
Sorry Mark,

Life or death? Na, there's no evidence to show that a transgender would serve any different under pressure than average Joe Blow.
I beg to differ. Even the progressive Google is on my side.
Google:
transgender psychological profile and the military
https://www.google.com/search?q=tra...nd+the+military

Mark Ryder

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11-08-2017 04:45 PM  33 days agoPost 34
Ladymagic

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LM, as I said, I don't really care what you think or if you agree or disagree with me. I have my opinion as you do.
I will not argue with you. You will not change your mind any more then I will.
Call me a bigot, whatever. Don't care, but I deeply care for our men and women in uniform, and the less stress they have, the more they can focus on the task at hand.
Semper Fi!
I'm not here to change your mind....only give you a different perspective. That's all I'm trying to do. I didn't call you a bigot here, in fact, I'm not calling anyone any names.

If you think that way, then maybe that's something you need to address with yourself.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here...but just so you know, just typing "Semper Fi" does not make you a Marine.

But, as a fellow servicemen, you of all people should know what the military drills into from day one of BMT about EO. So, I don't understand. I know you had to have worked with female Marines as well. Did you tell them that this is how you felt? I'm just curious.

Mellisa

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11-08-2017 05:05 PM  33 days agoPost 35
sjgusmc21

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LM, again, don't care what you think. I don't really care whether you believe I was a (and still am) a Marine.

Don't care.

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11-08-2017 05:32 PM  33 days agoPost 36
Jgatorman

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Lady Magic I have listened to your drivel for some time. It is my opinion that people like you are destroying the effectiveness of our military abilities. The military is not a social experiment it is designed to defend the nation of all enemies foreign and domestic. You can preach your liberalism all you want and in today's military you are evidently allowed to do so, however women on the front line are only acceptable if they are able to carry their fellow soldier to safety if incapacitated and from the reviews of female PT scores that is not the case . It is not the place of the military to lower it standards of readiness to appease the PC crowd whom you have seemed to endear yourself to. So I do not thank you for your service, nor do I appreciate your modern view of the military. PS when I was in the Navy almost all female mechanics would not do the heavy lifting required to perform their duties. I also am fully aware of the advantages females in the Navy had when I was serving. RM3 is correct in his view for I witnessed the same behaviors from WAVES while I served. Please do your job and leave the politics out of the military and leave it to Washington for they have disgraced the military enough you need not add to that disgrace. Do a little research and see what the military's social experiments have cost us so far.

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11-08-2017 06:05 PM  33 days agoPost 37
Ladymagic

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It'll be okay. I will retire soon enough. And I will take my drivel and go relax some place with less hateful personalities. I won't take any of your post personally.

I do my job very well and fortunately, I didn't join to serve to your approval. The Air Force says otherwise and they are who pay me on the 1st and 15th.

Mellisa

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11-08-2017 06:38 PM  33 days agoPost 38
Life_Nerd

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And Trump is your boss!

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11-08-2017 06:41 PM  33 days agoPost 39
Ladymagic

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I beg to differ. Even the progressive Google is on my side.
I actually took some time to read some of the links. And if you take them at face value, yes, your argument might be supported. At the same time, I couldn't really find unbiased statistics and sources that are not already linked to a predisposition. One "source" claims to be a former transgender that seems to hate themselves. Just sayin

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11-08-2017 06:41 PM  33 days agoPost 40
Ladymagic

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And Trump is your boss!
Oh yeah...I know....I know.

Mellisa

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