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11-22-2017 04:23 PM  19 days agoPost 161
EEngineer

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FBL system will compensate!
All an FBL has are 3 MEMS gyros and a microprocessor for such compensation....

If mechanically, at mid stick, one main blade is at 0 degrees pitch....and the other at 2 degrees pitch......your FBL cannot possibly know that.

And while the gyros will provide feedback....your heli will fly like crap.

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11-22-2017 04:25 PM  19 days agoPost 162
EEngineer

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computer controlled propeller on top of my Heli.
It's not a computer controlled propeller....

But, you still advocate one on the rear end of your heli.

Your tail rotor is one....LOL

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11-22-2017 04:29 PM  19 days agoPost 163
EEngineer

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New tech is cool and fun.
Exactly.....

In fact, I agree with everything you posted.

But, I have never used the rescue function....like on the NEO....
and I'm too scared to try......LOLOL

I'm afraid I'd crash if I turned on the rescue feature....

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11-22-2017 04:38 PM  19 days agoPost 164
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All we are saying is some of us miss tinkering with a fly bar.
And some of us prefer mechanical vs electronics because it is what we understand better.

spending time, paying attention

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11-22-2017 04:52 PM  19 days agoPost 165
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ICUR1-2
All we are saying is some of us miss tinkering with a fly bar.
And some of us prefer mechanical vs electronics because it is what we understand better
You might be saying that but the rest aren't
there spreading a lot of B.S. that's not even close to the truth

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11-22-2017 04:54 PM  19 days agoPost 166
banshee rider

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Eury
A big reason the hobby is shrinking is the old hands angrily shaking their fists at the sky due to new developments.

Think that a FBL heli doesn’t require careful setup? You are wrong. It is different than flybar setup, but it requires the same setup skills, it just eliminates the setting of 2 more links, and making sure the flybar and paddles are even.

Computer controlled propeller on top of your heli? I suppose you’ve been flying an old Futaba Gold Box or something then. Helis have been computer controlled for decades, FBL doesn’t take away any of the skill in flying, it still goes where you tell it to go, and doesn’t fly itself. It just takes out the control interactions that we had to mix out manually back in the dark ages. Yes, there are FBL units that have self level, but people don’t fly around in that, no one is spooling up a heli and watching it fly a preprogrammed routine.

If I were new in the hobby and went out and encountered the flybars only mentality displayed here, I’d be flying multirotors after one conversation with some of you guys. First off, dislike new tech all you want, fact remains that there are so few flybar helis even available anymore that they are practically nonexistent. The old stuff is/has died off because the new stuff works so much better. New tech is cool and fun. When some new guy shows up and wants to talk helis, i put them on the buddy box. EVERY one of them refuses at first, then I show them that I can hit rescue and the heli repels itself from the ground and the intimidation of crashing my machine goes away. After they see that it’s now a 0 stress fun experience, and I can show them how things work on a modern heli and get them interested.

Compare that to the new guy walking away and unable to buy anything that the ancients worship, and being welcomed instead by the multirotor crowd who have an “all are welcome come see this cool new tech” attitude. Which crowd would you rather spend time with?
Nick Crego
Very well said !!

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11-22-2017 04:58 PM  19 days agoPost 167
EEngineer

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And some of us prefer mechanical vs electronics because it is what we understand better.
In both FB and FBL, both mechanical and electrical are required.

In both cases, the proper mechanical setup is required for the heli to fly properly.

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11-22-2017 10:31 PM  19 days agoPost 168
maxell44

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Well, "Eury" I am saddened and disappointed in the tone of your response, and you make me feel like I should just swallow it. As said above: "We are simply saying we like, and prefer a fly-barred heli", that's all. No reason to attempt to bib an individual with a response, and make one feel he has to eat of the new flavor. I'm am sure, if at all, I may be forced to go FBL, but for the present time, I will continue with a FB Heli until I can longer stand the tinkering and setup. I do however have a computer TX, and as mentioned above, I do understand my tail is computer controlled with my G401 gyro. I like my freedom to choose what I want at the present time. Other than that I will continue to enjoy my hobby on my terms and fly as I see fit, and not as some one perceives that I should do in time or follow suit due to the latest trends.

I have no bones to pic with anybody. I just wanted to join the conversation. There is no harm in that.

FG

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11-22-2017 10:37 PM  19 days agoPost 169
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This has been an enjoyable thread until now. I don't think anyone is saying that flybar machines are better in any way than the current crop of electrics. We all know that they will out perform anything from the flybar era. I have in my fleet 3 flybarless machines and several with flybar. I know how to set up each. I've been at this a long time. My first was a Kalt Baron 28. But I can't be silent and be called "ancient" or "old" with my hands shaking cause I prefer my flybar machines. We all also know that this hobby peaked around 2010. I don't think there's much we can do to change that and see that peak again. It doesn't much matter what you show a new guy at the field. When they find out they can buy a heli ready to fly right out of the box with zero effort and zero time listening to the experts a lot of them will chose that path. This hobby is evolving, much like fixed wing aerobatic aircraft. There will always be many who chase after the newest most high tech machine possible. And there will also be some who prefer the older designs. Take a look at fixed wing pattern aircraft. There are ultra high tech options for sure but the old pre turn around types are making a strong comeback. Simply because there is a market for them. Hopefully, the same will happen with heli's. In the meantime, build something and fly it and don't poo poo the other guy whether he has a pair....of paddles..... or not

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11-22-2017 10:38 PM  19 days agoPost 170
Eury

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There was no criticism of you. The criticism was of the people who display this attitude towards new people in the hobby and how that effects the hobby overall.

Nick Crego

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11-22-2017 10:40 PM  19 days agoPost 171
maxell44

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Eury
There was no criticism of you. The criticism was of the people who display this attitude towards new people in the hobby and how that effects the hobby overall.
Agreed and understood.

FG

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11-22-2017 10:41 PM  19 days agoPost 172
maxell44

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Jim-bob
In the meantime, build something and fly it and don't poo poo the other guy whether he has a pair....of paddles..... or not
And I got a big set of paddles. Ah, I meant paddles right...?

FG

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11-22-2017 10:51 PM  19 days agoPost 173
EEngineer

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I just wanted to join the conversation. There is no harm in that.
Of course not.

We're all glad you did join in.

And we all have our different preferences.

I didn't see where someone insisted that you not like FB helis...

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11-22-2017 11:18 PM  19 days agoPost 174
MattJen

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since when did this turn into ANOTHER FBL v FB thread...

Fly what you want both have pros and conns..

All The Best

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11-22-2017 11:23 PM  19 days agoPost 175
EEngineer

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It "morphed".....

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11-22-2017 11:38 PM  19 days agoPost 176
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(Where is everyone) I think was the Topic. LOL
It looks like everyone is showing back up. Flybar and FBL guys.
That's pretty good from my outlook. I fly them both and nitro and electric. I even have fixed wings, O no, yes and even gliders. LOL
RC aircraft are fun. Helicopters are the most fun.
Now I am going to get it.

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11-22-2017 11:38 PM  19 days agoPost 177
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My apologies for morphing the thread. I digress.

FG

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11-22-2017 11:46 PM  19 days agoPost 178
Jim-bob

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(Where is everyone) I think was the Topic. LOL
It looks like everyone is showing back up. Flybar and FBL guys.
That's pretty good from my outlook. I fly them both and nitro and electric. I even have fixed wings, O no, yes and even gliders. LOL
And it's all good!!

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11-22-2017 11:47 PM  19 days agoPost 179
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It looks like everyone is showing back up. Flybar and FBL guys.
Still not many scale fliers

DG

"Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see." • Benjamin Franklin

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11-22-2017 11:53 PM  19 days agoPost 180
BeltFedBrowning

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I think the "mine is better than yours" attitude is being displayed on both sides of the argument. That alone will turn off newcomers to the hobby.

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