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10-18-2017 02:34 PM  6 months agoPost 81
Mark Ryder

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We control their destiny by simply not tuning in or paying to watch.
Tell that to the progressives that tell us it's not about disrespect but social injustice. (Hanoi) Jane Fonda was just interviewed and said she is proud of the ones that resist but not proud of America.
Sackur concluded the interview by asking about NFL players protesting the national anthem.

"If you Jane Fonda were in a situation like that today?" he asked.

"I would take a knee; I would take two knees. I would get on all fours if necessary," she said.
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10-18-2017 02:51 PM  6 months agoPost 82
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Hanoi Jane is treasonous scum.

The only time she is even the slightest bit contrite, is when money is involved.....money for her, that is.

I would like to hear what John McCain has to say about her after he was released and then today, many years later.

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10-18-2017 02:57 PM  6 months agoPost 83
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Tell that to the progressives that tell us it's not about disrespect but social injustice. (Hanoi) Jane Fonda was just interviewed and said she is proud of the ones that resist but not proud of America.
The more they sound off with this crap the less we listen. It actually works on our behalf to have these idoits doing what they do best exhibit their ignorance.
The last election proved that.

Mike

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10-18-2017 03:00 PM  6 months agoPost 84
rcmiket

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Hanoi Jane is treasonous scum.
and a has been or never was. Her 5 minutes of "fame" killed what career she thought she had. Once again Hollywood proving just how ignorant and irrelevant they really are.

Mike

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10-18-2017 03:06 PM  6 months agoPost 85
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I can not believe the people still watching . As a vet I am never watching another ball game and even Super Bowl.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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10-18-2017 03:17 PM  6 months agoPost 86
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No I am not racist or a bigot at all. I'm not an activist either. I am just open minded enough to see there is a problem It just irks me as I read some of the posts here about and other places about what's going on in the US.

I hear all this grumbling and yes, it is pretty all white guys whom have taken the greatest issue with these players kneeling.

But the main point is being missed; WHY they are actually kneeling? Which is that there is an obvious issue with policing in the US. Not just piss off a bunch of football fans for fun. And instead of addressing the WHY...the opposition (we'll just leave it at that) is only taking offense to the gesture as matter literal personal disrespect. I don't believe disrespect was meant to the US or the Armed Forces at all. That is why they kneel instead of sit; to still pay homage to those whom have given their lives in defensive of the US. We kneel at the graves of the fallen to pay respect...it's meant as the same gesture.

I personally will stand and salute every time and so does my husband even though we've both know there is bias when it comes to policing in the US. We've both earned our stripes and bare allegiance to the US just the same, but that doesn't change the fact that out of uniform my husband can still be a target a cop that simply doesn't like is skin tone. The shoot first ask questions later concept needs to stop.

They are in the Profession of Arms same and us in the military and they have sworn to protect and serve. Police should be held to that standard. I cannot go firing off my weapon at a random target just because I was scared or nervous. Even at the firing range we are constantly told to confirm our target first. If I would be immediately court martialed if killed someone just because "I thought" they were a threat and my new home would be Leavenworth for violating the rules of engagement.

My husband says: " I just want feel that if I were to get pulled over for running a stop sign or changing lanes without a turn signal that I will get a ticket...not a bullet in the face for trying to pull out my wallet to show ID."

If you only knew of some the nasty comments I've heard about this matter. It's really sad.

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10-18-2017 03:33 PM  6 months agoPost 87
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No I am not racist or a bigot at all
well by definition of what you said: " I just want feel that if I were to get pulled over for running a stop sign or changing lanes without a turn signal that I will get a ticket...not a bullet in the face for trying to pull out my wallet to show ID."

... you are now Prejudice... as this has not actually happened to you, nor does any evidence support that majority of blacks are shot by white cops.

They are kneeling to protest what they perceive as an injustice towards Blacks based on what the media has chosen to exaggerate and gain attention with... but the National anthem and US flag have absolutely nothing to do with this injustice...

The issue is between police officers and the black community. How in the F$%K is the National Anthem connected to racism in the law enforcement community?

its stupid... this would be akin to having a Gay pride party at a Chuck E. Cheese's or a Strippers convention outside the Vatican.

see the rub?

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If I would be immediately court martialed if killed someone just because "I thought" they were a threat and my new home would be Leavenworth for violating the rules of engagement
..tells me that you have never actually been in a combat environment...

Ive been witness to artillery shells falling on homes where those killed where innocent but insurgents fired from their location. Ive been witness to Iraqis being shot for holding video cameras during patrols, Ive been witness to stupid Iraqis being shot in their cars for following too closely and even shot when making stupid mistakes at checkpoints like not stopping... And I recall no soldier ever being part of a court martial for such events.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-18-2017 04:48 PM  6 months agoPost 88
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The issue is between police officers and the black community. How in the F$%K is the National Anthem connected to racism in the law enforcement community?
This is an issue for all of America to address...not just the police.

I asked the same question about the anthem as you just did. This is the response I got.

"this country wants us to swear allegiance to it the same as any other citizen, yet it does not treat us equally. There have been men and women of color who have fought, bled, and died for what this is supposed to stand for in just about every war the same as anyone, yet when they return home, they are treated with distain and disgust. Still second class."

Why during the national anthem? I don't really know but I am assuming it's done during the anthem to draw attention to it and fix it as a nation and it's obviously struck a nerve. Maybe the real issue can be addressed now. There have been marches, riots, and blogs, and they all seem to end up on the back page in small print after a week.

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10-18-2017 05:05 PM  6 months agoPost 89
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this country wants us to swear allegiance to it the same as any other citizen, yet it does not treat us equally
that there is the problem.... its not the country they should be protesting... but rather they should be protesting outside the local police departments in high crime areas they accuse of such... just make sure they bring their fancy cars and park them locally to show trust and support...

Watch at YouTube

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-18-2017 06:33 PM  6 months agoPost 90
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And sadly, it *DOES* treat them equally. Equal treatment does not in any way imply equal outcome . . . Just equal opportunity. Make the same effort/have the same skills/do the same work and end up in the same place. Fail to do (or have) and of these things, and the outcome will *NOT* be the same (nor should it be) and it's not due to oppression or some other fantasized bullcrap, it will simply be due to either not making an effort, or being unqualified, period! The idea that we should stack the workforce with raging morons in the name of "diversity" makes me sick . . .

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10-18-2017 06:59 PM  6 months agoPost 91
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I've seen that Chris Rock video before . . . and agree completely.

The problem a lot of black people have is that they are angry to the point of being STUPID . . . I don't see yellow or red people being that stupid.

I don't care what color you are . . . if you're not civil to a civil servant, you have NO right to complain about the response.

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10-18-2017 08:28 PM  6 months agoPost 92
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that there is the problem.... its not the country they should be protesting... but rather they should be protesting outside the local police departments in high crime areas they accuse of such... just make sure they bring their fancy cars and park them locally to show trust and support...
If only it were really that simple.

How do you think protesting in front of the Ferguson PD would have gone for the protesters? Helpful? I doubt it. There are other bigoted departments just like Ferguson. How do you think they might have responded? Free to speak and open ear or tear gas and chuckles? Those departments didn't get that way just over night.

did I hear a hint of sarcasm in your last statement? It's as if you know none of your statement would amount to more than more arrests and that somehow these guys wouldn't take their "fancy" cars into these neighborhoods because the will just be immediately stolen.

If so, I don't think that true. Some of these guys busted their butts to get out from bad neighborhoods. And some of them really try and bring up others up with them. But you know the problem is much greater than just throwing money at these communities. You need local and federal government as well the people in those communities to do their part.

But to say it's not America's problem is disingenuous at best and to pretend there isn't a problem will not make it go away.

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10-18-2017 08:46 PM  6 months agoPost 93
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Some of these guys busted their butts to get out from bad neighborhoods.
What would you like to do with the bad neighborhoods?

I know if I was a cop I would rather hang out at the doughnut shop up in the nice foothills neighborhoods.

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10-18-2017 09:01 PM  6 months agoPost 94
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When presented with the facts, many of the cases of police abuse (killings) that go to trial are dismissed. You may not agree with the outcome, but that is following the process and really makes you wonder about the media misinformation of such cases.

Sure there are a few bad LEO's but I'm convinced it is a very small fraction and not limited to whites killing blacks. In general, learn respect for law enforcement. Show respect and get respect back. I really think that a strong family bond and good child rearing would solve a lot of the issues - fathers that stick around and desire for their children to do better. How do you propose to instill that idea?

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10-18-2017 09:27 PM  6 months agoPost 95
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But you know the problem is much greater than just throwing money at these communities. You need local and federal government as well the people in those communities to do their part.
But to say it's not America's problem is disingenuous at best and to pretend there isn't a problem will not make it go away
bingo! HALELUYA Jesus! finnally you get it.

the people in those communities to do their part

it has always been their responsibility to clean up their act, not the "rich white" community, not the NFL fans, not the Government... cops are a product of the communities in which they work and the community population outnumbers the cops thousands to one. If the black youth that find themselves at the receiving end of a cops bullet or baton would simply change their attitude long BEFORE any such encounter my bet is nearly all (not all most almost all) encounters would result in non violence or at the very least a temporary detaining by the cops, unless of course they actually broke a law then by which the only violence they may encounter will be by those they are exposed to in jail... Your activity, how present yourself and your actions during any police encounter directly influence the outcome.

The solution is simple STOP making yourself a target for law enforcement. If you fear that you'll be caught between a cop and a criminal, DONT be hanging out on the street... after all, if you live in a war zone, what the hell do you expect to happen, that bullets will somehow curve around the innocent? You cannot expect cops the be right 100% of the time, thats impossible in bad crime ridden areas, and as a result there will always be collateral damage.

You cannot change the result of any set equation without changing at least one of the variables that lead to it in the first place... and the biggest variable is the attitude/behavior of the black communities in which these apparent injustices occur --- the cops are the result.

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10-18-2017 09:42 PM  6 months agoPost 96
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You cannot change the result of any set equation without changing at least one of the variables that lead to it in the first place
As one into mathematics, you left out changing a "constant".....in addition to variables.....in any equation......

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10-19-2017 01:28 AM  6 months agoPost 97
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I used a variable as not all communities of color are the same... but yes you are right... the response by LEOs to "thuggery" is indeed a constant.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-19-2017 04:52 AM  6 months agoPost 98
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I hear all this grumbling and yes, it is pretty all white guys whom have taken the greatest issue with these players kneeling
well my God, how many black people are there on RR ??

Jim
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10-19-2017 05:02 AM  6 months agoPost 99
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" I just want feel that if I were to get pulled over for running a stop sign or changing lanes without a turn signal that I will get a ticket...not a bullet in the face for trying to pull out my wallet to show ID."
yee-up, that's America, we are the rip-roaring'est, soot-em up'est in the face country.. I think your husband is a little delusional 

BTW, has any one seen the news today, black man shoots 3 or 4 dead and puts 3 or 4 more in the hospital,,, cops didn't shoot/kill the man, just caught him and jailed him

Jim
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10-19-2017 05:10 AM  6 months agoPost 100
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It just irks me as I read some of the posts here about and other places about what's going on in the US.
Ladymagic: Exercise your right and stop reading.

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