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10-09-2017 04:13 PM  68 days agoPost 1
AirWolfRC

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I'm more than a bit mystified.

Many seem to think "taking a knee" is a sign of disrespect. Those doing it seem to think so.

But here's the problem, all throughout history "taking a knee" was a sign of respect and homage when in the presence of their King or Monarch.

I don't get it. Are people so stupid that they forget well known history ? ?

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10-09-2017 04:15 PM  68 days agoPost 2
rcmiket

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Are people so stupid
Yes they are and I have the RIGHT to not support (socially or financially) those who I feel are stupid.

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10-09-2017 04:20 PM  68 days agoPost 3
AirWolfRC

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I would call out the "knee takers" for being so stupid because what they are doing is actually a historic sign of respect.

Not to mention the game patrons that also fail to realize that.

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10-09-2017 05:30 PM  68 days agoPost 4
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Definitely stupid, but it is intended to be seen as disrespect, so it is disrespect.

I tried to fix the inequality problem. My boss said he will not give me a 50+ million dollar contract. Obviously he's a fecking racist.

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10-10-2017 03:59 PM  67 days agoPost 5
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Definitely stupid, but it is intended to be seen as disrespect, so it is disrespect.
I don't believe taking a knee is meant to be a sign of disrespect only a signal to those who have the power to change things that something needs to change. No one is burning flags; no one is doing anything other kneeling quietly as the anthem is played.

I'm serving now and I'm not offended....I never was. That's their prerogative. Believe it or not, most of the people I talked to that also serve aren't as bothered with this either.

What I am offended by is what the original anthem was written to express; bigotry and hatred. Heard that third stanza about dancing on the graves of slaves and so on?

It would seem that the main people who take issue with kneeling are people whom don't want to acknowledge there actually might be a real social issue that needs to be addressed.

What's funny is the most "patriotic" among us whom take issue are the same ones who disrespect the flag everyday. They wear the flag as clothing i.e bandanas, leave the flag up in inclement weather and poorly lit, or leave a torn, faded, and tattered flag flapping in the wind for months because he didn't feel like changing it. Even better, ducking military service. Yeah true patriots.

We serve so that everyone has the right speak out and affect social progress; the freedom to speak up isn't just a right reserved for the "privileged" few, it's for everyone.

Sadly, I know that the ones with the loudest mouths care more about football than the lives unjustly lost to those whom have taken an oath to serve and protect.

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10-10-2017 04:11 PM  67 days agoPost 6
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No one is burning flags; no one is doing anything other kneeling quietly as the anthem is played.
yes they do... just not in the NFL... not yet anyway...

what many people dont understand is that when the civilian populace looses respect for those that serve, then there is no point in serving...

you wouldnt keep feeding your dog if every time you went out to feed him he tore your hand to shreds now would you? or if he went out of his way to piss all over your door, $hit on your doormat, bark/growl at you all night right in front of your bedroom window... but you continue to feed him? why? cause you respect his decision? Soon the other dogs see it as ok... and soon you are overcome with those that hate you for no other reason other than you exist.

Yes its their right... but with those rights comes responsibility. And to allow those to completely loose the responsibility to those that protect them is to start dismantling the very foundation in which this country was built.
most of the people I talked to that also serve aren't as bothered with this either
then they dont see the danger in which this is going to lead us... what next? soldiers taking a knee during Reveille? How bout burning the flag at your buds military funeral? How bout a big ol bumber sticker that says Airforce are pu$$ies? see how that gets out of hand?

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10-10-2017 04:12 PM  67 days agoPost 7
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What I am offended by is what the original anthem was written to express; bigotry and hatred. Heard that third stanza about dancing on the graves of slaves and so on?
Very interesting. I did not know there was such a thing.

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10-10-2017 04:22 PM  67 days agoPost 8
AirWolfRC

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here is the 3rd stanza,
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I don't see anything about "dancing on the graves of slaves".

Someone's been smoking the wrong kind of tobacco.

Edit,
The United States is what it is today because everyone was pulling in the same direction. Everyone was on the same team.

Now too many people are pulling in some other direction with no realistic hope of affecting change, just to make noise.

The Roman Empire disappeared for similar reasons.

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10-10-2017 04:24 PM  67 days agoPost 9
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https://amhistory.si.edu/starspangl...the-lyrics.aspx

The print is a little small for this old man's eyes, but i dont see that at all, much less anything justifying saying that is "about bigotry".

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10-10-2017 04:26 PM  67 days agoPost 10
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spaceman spiff

Very interesting. I did not know there was such a thing.
'Star-Spangled Banner' critics miss the point

"The Star-Spangled Banner" in no way glorifies or celebrates slavery. The middle two verses of Key's lyric vilify the British enemy in the War of 1812, what Key refers to in Verse 3 as "hirelings and slaves." This enemy included both whites and blacks, largely British professional soldiers (hirelings) but also the Corps of Colonial Marines (slaves). The Colonial Marines were escaped black American slaves who joined British forces because of the promise of freedom in return for fighting their former masters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opini...ague/index.html

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10-10-2017 04:28 PM  67 days agoPost 11
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Very interesting. I did not know there was such a thing.
because it isn't... During the Civil War, “The Star-Spangled Banner” was an anthem for Union troops... I dont recall the Union being "For" slavery

http://www.history.com/news/9-thing...spangled-banner

Thx Dil for enlightening the feeble minded, and from CNN no less...

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10-10-2017 04:45 PM  67 days agoPost 12
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yes they do... just not in the NFL... not yet anyway...
Well, the only people taking knees right now are NFL Players right? I assumed that who we were addressing.
Soon the other dogs see it as ok... and soon you are overcome with those that hate you for no other reason other than you exist.
I could go so many directions with your statement, but I think I get the point. But, just so you know, we aren't talking about stray dogs or house-breaking a new pet. We are talking about PEOPLE...not animals...remember that.

While I realize it's not convenient that these "SOBs" as Trump put it are ruining a football game for you, being shot down for nothing in the street by a scared or bigoted cop is an important issue for them. NFL players are not excluded and in fact, as big as they are, are likely to be considered even more threatening. Does that mean they are sentenced to death for being big and black? That's the core issue here. No one is trying to create a chaos state, just equality. Many just want the same guarantee as anyone not be shot down for reaching for identification and being a black man.

Mellisa

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10-10-2017 04:53 PM  67 days agoPost 13
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Yes its their right... but with those rights comes responsibility. And to allow those to completely loose the responsibility to those that protect them is to start dismantling the very foundation in which this country was built.
I will add to this... to drive a point home for all of you that think its OK that our very own people be allowed to disrespect our flag/nation anthem and this country...

Adolf Hitler never actually killed anyone himself, there is no historical evidence to date... it was his rhetoric that enabled and influenced others to eventually do it for him. The Nazi death camps were not even his idea...
being shot down for nothing in the street by a scared or bigoted cop is an important issue for them
oh really... then how many of these "kneelers" are actually using that money and fame to change whats happening in the streets?... my guess is more are interested in what color their next Bentley is going to be or what color of Shoe they're going to endorse is before they so much as spend a dollar on actually saving some of these thugs...

let me remind you that WHITE males have been proven to have been shot by cops more than blacks in the last 100 years, year after year... so please stop drinking the cool aide, stop reading opinion articles and instead research the facts:

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10-10-2017 05:04 PM  67 days agoPost 14
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The United States is what it is today because everyone was pulling in the same direction. Everyone was on the same team.
Now too many people are pulling in some other direction with no realistic hope of affecting change, just to make noise.
Teamwork? By Whom? I doubt all the slaves that died working for nothing, or native Americans who were essentially wiped out and their land stolen, or Chinese immigrants were treated less than human while building railroads so the white people of the time could benefit from their efforts without doing any of the labor, "teamwork."
being shot down for nothing in the street by a scared or bigoted cop is an important issue for them
oh really... then how many of these "kneelers" are actually using that money and fame to change whats happening in the streets?... my guess is more are interested in what color their next Bentley is going to be or what color of Shoe they're going to endorse is before they so much as spend a dollar on actually saving some of these thugs...
I wouldn't assume as much to think that every single NFL player cares for Bentleys and all that stuff. Some, genuinely are working to bring up their families up from poverty.

Thugs? Some, but not all....Tamir Rice wasn't a thug he was 12 years old. Let me ask you a question...the man that shot down all those people last week, was he a "thug?" or the man that ran over that lady in Charlottesville...never heard anyone one call him a thug or all the white supremacists spreading their message of hate. But, you would most likely call the counter protesters there, "thugs."

SOBs, Thugs...these are all labels designed to dehumanize a person or group so as to justify treating them in a way that contradicts your own laws and beliefs. This was also done in the slave days..."all men are created equal" except black people...they were subhuman and considered only 2/3s of a man so your own laws don't have to apply. They don't teach that in high school.

Mellisa

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10-10-2017 05:06 PM  67 days agoPost 15
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Ladymagic
Well, the only people taking knees right now are NFL Players right?
Unfortunately...nope

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...4b01cc57ff2a61e

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10-10-2017 05:06 PM  67 days agoPost 16
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AirWolfRC pid=6679922 I don't get it. Are people so stupid that they forget well

Well you were right on the first part, YOU DON'T GET IT. On the second part Pot meet kettle!

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10-10-2017 05:13 PM  67 days agoPost 17
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or native Americans who were essentially wiped out and their land stolen, or Chinese immigrants were treated less than human while building railroads
first... native Americans didnt believe in land ownership (which is why they didnt understand the whole fences thing), so technically they didnt have anything stolen from them, they also had every opportunity to burn those three boats to the ground with everyone aboard, but oh well... secondly The Chinese came over on their own free will... Lastly, during the civil war the only reason (IMHO) that Abraham Lincoln "included" the thought of ending slavery was because he was running low on man power and knew that blacks would love nothing more than to get some payback...

oh and BTW:
What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects.
my guess is that those "Kings" where actually democrats...
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

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10-10-2017 05:32 PM  67 days agoPost 18
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Speaking of "don't get it." I dont get it. I see mobs of angry hatefull folks stopping traffic to let people know that they matter? I don't get it. What do they think is going to happen? Folks are going like them? Respect them?

I know if i aproached someone and said some crazy **** like " Hey you are an asshole and your great great great grandma was an asshole because she was (green, white, black) .... " I am surely not on the road to being friends. Probably never. Snowbals chance in hell. If on the other hand if i said "Hi i am Spiff i see you are a wildcats fan, did you see...." That conversation will have a completely diferent outcome.

Even small white children understand that, yet black adults struggle with it. Why? I don't get it.

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10-10-2017 05:32 PM  67 days agoPost 19
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oh and BTW:

What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects.
my guess is that those "Kings" where democrats...

That's interesting. Not sure what that has to do with the NFL or what going on with policing today...but I will bite. Sooooo, are you trying to justify slavey? or Jim Crow? or what exactly. I will use one of your analogies...so if it's ok for a neighbor's dog is pee all over their house...does that make it okay for him an other dogs to pee in ur house also?

Mellisa

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10-10-2017 05:41 PM  67 days agoPost 20
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so please stop drinking the cool aide, stop reading opinion articles and instead research the facts:
"Facts" is a relative term these days. You can pull "facts" and "statistics"from just about anywhere to support any argument you like. I don't necessarily trust all facts. You need to know the source. If you are pulling your "facts" from police records, I wouldn't trust them...it's been proven that police records may not reflect accurately....yes, even the police can lie.

Mellisa

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