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10-07-2017 02:50 AM  15 days agoPost 61
wjvail

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The video noted below was on the front page of the USAToday. The caption was:
Gun owner shoots AR-15 without and with a bump stock.
Gun owner Steven Straub demonstrates the difference between shooting an AR-15 without a bump stock and shooting an AR-15 with a bump stock. Brianna Paciorka/News Sentinel
The source was the KnoxNews.

In post #52 I noted that the fire rates for an AR-15 can be very similar with or without a bump stock. The USAToday has proven, with the help of a Vietnam vet, I was mistaken. How could I have been so wrong? The fire rates with and without are clearly widely different. Without gun modification you'd be lucky to get 10 round a minute off. See what I learn here --> http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/news...tock/106307512/

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10-07-2017 03:02 AM  15 days agoPost 62
wjvail

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ting/741119001/

Also in the paper today was the note that the FBI has learned so little about this case they are having to put up bilboards asking for help.
The FBI launched an information campaign Friday that will include billboards throughout Las Vegas, appealing for public tips about the weekend shooting rampage that left 59 people, including the suspected gunman, dead.
The campaign is a measure of how little the authorities have unearthed as to why the suspect, Stephen Paddock, 64, opened fire from a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel....
Go re-read post 25.

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10-07-2017 12:58 PM  15 days agoPost 63
rcmiket

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Outlawing the bump stock means only criminals will have them.
There are no laws on the books or in the Liberals minds that would stop this kind thing from happening now or in the future. It's just that simple.

Where there's a will there's a way.

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10-07-2017 03:48 PM  15 days agoPost 64
GyroFreak

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Bump stocks are only useful for mass crowed murders where accuracy is secondary. Unfortunately this gives ideas to those who will or want to kill as terrorists.
Banning them is OK with me, but it won't deter those intent on destruction of human lives as they can be fabricated fairly easily with some skill in machine work, and possibly in a 3D printer.
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10-07-2017 06:07 PM  15 days agoPost 65
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Conversation with person on Gun Control. Said Chicago IL has strictest gun laws in the nation and highest crime rate. The lady said no way till she looked it up and was shocked. She just ignored facts and said Guns are bad. The media has conditioned people to believe anything they say. Very sad.

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10-07-2017 10:56 PM  14 days agoPost 66
spaceman spiff

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The guy had a pilots licence, explosives, he could have wiped out a hell of a lot more.

Rifle wounds are typically 80% fatal. This incident was 11% fatal. The sloppy shooting of a bump stock may have contributed to that.

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10-08-2017 12:02 AM  14 days agoPost 67
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I really doubt sloppy shooting contributed to fewer injuries/deaths. Pretty dense crowd.

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10-08-2017 05:01 AM  14 days agoPost 68
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I really doubt sloppy shooting contributed to fewer injuries/deaths.
I guess you don't know how far off a 5 degree angle can be at 800, 1000ft

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10-09-2017 12:01 AM  13 days agoPost 69
tadawson

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Not to mention the serious loss of energy of 5.67 at that kind of range. It's just not that effective that far out . . .

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10-09-2017 12:34 AM  13 days agoPost 70
wjvail

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Not to mention the serious loss of energy of 5.67 at that kind of range. It's just not that effective that far out . . .
I've said this for a long time, unless you're in the business of injuring 100 pound Asians at some distance, and are faced with carrying your own ammunition by foot over long distances, the 556/223 is just a poor round.

Almost anything you might do with a 556 would be better done with another caliber. Can you kill a deer with it? Sure, but there are much better choices. Does it work for home defense? Kinda, if you don't care what is in the next 3 rooms. Varmint round? It'll kill a squirrel but there are much better choices.

It might have a use as a plinker or action sport shooter.

The 556/223 was chosen as a military NATO round to fulfill a purpose. It does what is was designed to do well but not much more.

With the above said, I have guns in 556/223. I just don't have any delusions about their purposefulness.

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10-11-2017 01:27 AM  11 days agoPost 71
utahbob

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Starting to look like

This was the "ultimate gambling adventure crime" by this guy..commit a heinous crime and disappear. .kinda like Db cooper..people will be talking about it for yrs...the lack of info. on his preparations/mindset would make it even more thought provoking..he just didn't care about anything or anybody anymore..his final act of demonstrating control over "regular" people whom he looked down on..just some thoughts I have on this..

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10-11-2017 02:02 AM  11 days agoPost 72
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a person with a sick mind can and well hang with you for year, set at your table, eat your food, play with your kids, talk with your wife, help you move into your new house, help your mother, and then, when the time is right, you will find and know he/she is sick, and then you will be in misunderstanding for a very long time

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10-11-2017 02:55 PM  11 days agoPost 73
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The lack of information from the investigation is telling IMHO... I think the "silence" is due to the fact that they dont like the answer to who he really was and why he did it. they have already search the residence twice maybe three times now... seems they are looking for evidence that doesn't exist or figuring out a way of "creating" evidence to fit a narrative...

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10-11-2017 03:16 PM  11 days agoPost 74
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^^^ Yep. Because they just HAVE to find a way to make him a hard right winger and hopefully an avid Trump supporter. Nothing else will suit their purposes.
My guess is that everything they're finding is just the opposite, hence the silence.
With the above said, I have guns in 556/223. I just don't have any delusions about their purposefulness.
I'm seriously thinking about converting one of mine to 22 Nosler.

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10-11-2017 03:41 PM  11 days agoPost 75
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.223/5.56 with FMJ is Worthless... And I speak from experience in IRAQ... the Brits though had what appeared to be hollowpoints though, they called them open tip match, which one brit told me was not the same as a hollowpoint... I was like "Yeah whatever bro... "

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10-11-2017 09:54 PM  11 days agoPost 76
wjvail

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the Brits though had what appeared to be hollowpoints though, they called them open tip match, which one brit told me was not the same as a hollowpoint... I was like "Yeah whatever bro... "
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-%E2%89%A0-jhp/

I'll leave it to other to debate the differences in Open Tip Match (OTM) and Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP). I suppose it is important to insist you are not using hollow points as hollow points are not legal in warfare by convention.

As I said, I'm not a believer in the 556/223 round and debating the improvement one might see in using a OTM over JHP is all a little academic.

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10-12-2017 01:01 AM  10 days agoPost 77
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...home/752243001/
Burglars target Las Vegas shooter's Reno home.
This could become handy when no real information is made available. The crime scene is now tainted. It been compromised. The chain of custody is broken. An element and mechanism of doubt has been created.

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10-12-2017 02:04 PM  10 days agoPost 78
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I dont think they were "burglars"... I think it was people who wanted to know what (if anything) the FBI was hiding or trying to make up. hitting a home that has already had 3 search warrants executed is pointless and any criminal would know this... all computers, electronics, photos, tools and firearms/ammo (hell even the car) would have been seized and in FBI custody.

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10-12-2017 02:11 PM  10 days agoPost 79
rcmiket

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Kinda strange the feds also had to do a second search. Seems like in a situation like a mass shooting they would have been a bit more thorough.

Mike

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10-12-2017 06:57 PM  10 days agoPost 80
utahbob

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He had alot of time leading up to this..

And alot of money..any computers; plans evidence of his deed is probly at the bottom of lake mead or some lake between Reno and Vegas..the complete lack of evidence/info. Just stirs more interest..the huge number of guns he had says "even a rich man who has everything can succumb to Gun lust and go crazy"..he had an agenda.Did he have a boat?..if I was that rich..I would have a boat!

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