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08-31-2017 02:02 AM  85 days agoPost 21
venture_flyer

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I could be doing it wrong. I start at a good altitude and nose over when I hit hold. Once I get down to about 10 feet I pull up elevate and add positive pitch. In real flight I would get a good amount of spool up of the blades at that point but in Phoenix once I flair and add positive pitch the head almost stops and just falls out of the air. If the auto is done at about 10 feet I have plenty of spool of the blades but over about 12 feet I have no head speed at the bottom. Seems to be the same on almost all the hells except for the whiplash which does ok from high altitude autos.

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08-31-2017 02:23 AM  85 days agoPost 22
JuanRodriguez

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Yup , wrong technique...... you DON'T want to nose over when you start the auto !! Just the opposite, you want the nose slightly raised during the decent ...... the airflow through the blades is what spins them up..... about 4 degrees of negative pitch is just about ideal .....if you dive the heli down you are actually bleeding off head speed...

During your decent you will actually hear the blades increase in RPM.

At the bottom (flair) there will be a LOT of head speed and what you do for the landing is to bleed off that head speed .....

During a properly done auto , you'll actually be able to hover the heli for a few seconds before actually landing ......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-31-2017 03:11 AM  85 days agoPost 23
EEngineer

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Wouldn't you want a touch of nose down going into the wind?

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08-31-2017 04:19 AM  85 days agoPost 24
venture_flyer

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I figured something was wrong, ME! :-) Well tomorrow I will work on those most of the night. Tonight was alot of slow forward flight figure 8s and boring but need orientation hovering. Adding something more each day.

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08-31-2017 04:35 AM  85 days agoPost 25
EEngineer

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TX

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Just use ARs for landing....put it in a hover at waist high and hit TH....and practice landing gently.....

By the time you get that down, your orientations will have drastically improved.

If you fly planks(like I do), just turn on to the final approach and bring it home like a plank...and then dead stick it. Perfect nose in orientation practice.

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08-31-2017 06:08 AM  85 days agoPost 26
Pistol Pete

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Watch at YouTube

Since the topic headed into autos...there you go.

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08-31-2017 06:20 AM  85 days agoPost 27
venture_flyer

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Nice video. It explains a lot. The funniest thing about the video, that's the flying field I am joining here in Fredericksburg!

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08-31-2017 01:24 PM  84 days agoPost 28
JuanRodriguez

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EE,

"Nose down" in a auto is going to bleed off head speed and get the heli coming down fast which is not a good combination IMO......slightly nose up will have the air moving up through the bottom of the disc and combine that with the negative pitch is what maintains or even increases the head speed during the descent.....

If you watched Curtis doing his demo, that's pretty much what he does .....the heli is coming in with a slight nose high attitude all the way down to the flare. (Except for backwards autos !)

I watched about 1/2 of the demo so I'm not sure if he touched upon how to achieve a faster descents when say, you know you're too high and will miss your landing spot ...... you can either bail out and start over OR you can apply more negative pitch (while still slightly nose high) .....how much negative pitch you have in your setup will determine how fast you can make the descent...... we ran a +12 , -10 in our setups . Many would not be comfortable with that -10 but you just learn how to control it .....

Oh , and on a windy day, just start the auto closer to you so that you know you will reach the landing spot......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-31-2017 03:04 PM  84 days agoPost 29
EEngineer

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TX

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I tried that on the SIM....granted just about 10 times....

The heli drops like a rock when I add neg. pitch.....lol

It seems as if I just keep it at 0(or just a hair pos), I can manage to get to the "spot" and then flair for a smooth touchdown.

But, I'm not trying to auto down from the "stratosphere"....

Youngblood's awesome.....he came to our club field back in the '90s for a heli flyin....was doing inverted autos...and then flip upright to land...all sorts of incredible stuff....LOL

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08-31-2017 05:05 PM  84 days agoPost 30
ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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It's all in the wrist!

Steve

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08-31-2017 11:49 PM  84 days agoPost 31
Robert "Full" Montee

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Fredericksburg,​Virginia

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Venture_flyer/Eric

You should come out this Labor day weekend.
FARCC is having an open house since we cancelled the event due to weather.
A few of us Team Futaba members fly at FARCC and you may be able to see the 16SZ in person along with the 14SG, 18SZ.

Would be happy to talk about auto-rotations as well.

Regards,

Robert "Full" Montee | Team Synergy | Team Futaba

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08-31-2017 11:53 PM  84 days agoPost 32
venture_flyer

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I will definitely see if I can get out there this weekend. When the wife gets off I will get her to watch the kids so I can go out there for a little while.

Eric

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