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08-30-2017 05:11 PM  79 days agoPost 1
venture_flyer

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Hey guys and gals I have been out of RC for almost 10 years now. When I was in the hobby back then I was die hard JR and ran JR everything! Seems JR is almost dead now so I am looking at Futaba now as a possible radio to come back into the hobby with. With that said I will be flying Nitro and Electric (electric 550 and smaller and larger 600 to 700 sized nitros). In the past I ran mostly 10 channel radios to have spare channels when needed.

Which radio would you guys suggest I take a look at? Also going from JR to Futaba what sort of things do I need to keep in mind other than the brand change?

Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide!

Eric

Marine Corps 98-06. Disabled veteran of Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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08-30-2017 05:37 PM  79 days agoPost 2
EEngineer

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Welcome back to the hobby....

The latest radio technology is that of Futaba's FAAST, JR's DMSS, and VStabi's VControl systems.....imo...perhaps Jeti also.

I, too, was a diehard JR user(still am)....and was considering upgrading to the JR DMSS from my JR12X DSMX system....but, since I was using VStabi's Vbar FBLs, I went with the VControl TX with its Neo RX.

Everyone has their individual preferences, but these are the latest in RF transmission technology(CDMA) on 2.4GHz....again imo.

And now, the FBL setup is done on a PC using a GUI which makes things a whole lot easier to do and to understand.

If you can, probably the best thing to help you choose, is to see these systems up close......by those who fly them....

If this is not an option, there are a variety of YouTube videos out there that show/explain the features of each....

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08-30-2017 05:48 PM  79 days agoPost 3
Pistol Pete

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Given your previously stated budget, just found you a gem in classifieds.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t820785p1/

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08-30-2017 05:55 PM  79 days agoPost 4
EEngineer

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" previously stated budget"

What budget was stated?.....

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08-30-2017 06:02 PM  79 days agoPost 5
wjvail

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Do you have a budget? What price range are you looking at? How much do anticipate flying?

I have been flying Futaba now for about 35 years so of course I have a biased opinion.

They were there for me back in the '80 and they are still innovating today. Because I have so much Futaba gear, you could say I am stuck with them. In many ways I am really am stuck; but, that is like saying Ferrari owners are stuck with Ferrari engines. It's a nice place to be.

Futaba has been quality radio gear for many years. At a time when others have been through numerous issues, my Futaba gear has been quietly and safely serving me well.

Futaba is sometime inexplicably expensive and the US repair and service center is no less costly. Checkups and repairs have always been timely, effective and reliable. They also have, at times, come with a memorable bill.

In the current Futaba line I would consider:
14SG ~$550
16SZ ~$700(not yet available -soon to be released)
18SZ ~$1,100
18MZ ~$3,000

I would avoid anything less than the 14SG for helicopter use. If your buget is tight, you might look at the 10J but know that it is NOT a FASST system. It is FHSS.

This link might be worth surfing: http://www.futabarc.com/systems/feature-compare.html

I might add that I am not a rep for Futaba. I have bought my radios at the local hobby shop. While decades of using their product has brought some knowledge of their offerings, I am nothing more than a happy customer.

Bill

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08-30-2017 06:05 PM  79 days agoPost 6
ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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JR is still around.

I am an admitted Futaba fanboy, so I say 18SZ.

BUT - honestly, they are all "equally" good nowadays. Simply a matter of what system provides the features you find most useful to you. Most important I feel is how the TX fits your hands. If possible try to hold them in your hands. You may find that you are more comfortable with one brand over another brand. IMO - all the "cool" features in the world wont help your flying if the TX doenst feel good in your hands.

Going from JR to Futaba the biggest differences are expo (JR uses a POSITIVE scale to add expo, Futaba uses a NEGATIVE scale to add expo), and the default throttle channel usually needs to be reversed on Futaba systems (when using most major brand ESC's).

Whatever you get, welcome back and enjoy!!

Steve

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08-30-2017 07:30 PM  79 days agoPost 7
venture_flyer

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Fredericksburg VA

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thanks

Wow guys love the responses. As for the budget I was initially saying about $250 so a used radio but I have decided to save up to get what would be the best for my needs. I always use a neck strap on my radios. 5 total tours to Iraq and Afghanistan has really messed up my body at 37 so sometimes I have issues holding the radio so the neck strap is a must.
I will be putting money back each payday until I get what radio is best for me. I live in Fredericksburg VA so we have a sweet flying field here that I plan on joining in the future as well. Flying could be everyday after work if I could work that out but at least 3 to 4 times a week. No traveling or pro level stuff here just fun exciting flying. I am trying to get into 3D but mostly sport flying was what I was doing before I got out last time. I put in about 1 to 2 hours a night on my Phoenix 5.5 sim to bring my skills back to what they should be. Hope that helps a little. YES the 18SZ looks sweet but way to much for my needs at this point. Looking at radio that Pistol Pete linked and I like the looks of that one. I am going to do alot more research on the new radio technology that is out there. When I got out it was all 72MHz and 2.4GHz was just coming on board. Thanks for the info guys and I will try and post my decision when I get the money for the "perfect" radio :-)

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08-30-2017 08:30 PM  79 days agoPost 8
wjvail

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Cheers,

I'm sure you'll get positive input from other flyers regarding other brands.

Something to consider... Futaba is about to release the 16SZ. No one has one yet. It's due out late October. I understand this may be out side your needs or budget but I would expect to see some modelers upgrading their 14SG to the newer spec radio. You might keep an eye on the used radio market for a steal. Every time a new radio comes out there is a musical chairs of radios on the used market. It could be an opportunity.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXGTND&P=ML

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08-30-2017 08:32 PM  79 days agoPost 9
venture_flyer

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Fredericksburg VA

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Nice radio

Wow thats a sweet looking radio.......HUM I might be able to make something like that happen :-)

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08-30-2017 09:06 PM  79 days agoPost 10
mike123

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Brandon MS

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All the radios are nice these days in my opinion. I just got back after about 10yrs also and was always a Futaba person so i got a 14sg and like it very much. In hind sight I wish I had spent more time looking at programing on the different radios the user interface is totally different on the different brands and some look like they may be easier to set up than others. just my opinion

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08-30-2017 09:13 PM  79 days agoPost 11
EEngineer

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"2 hours a night on my Phoenix 5.5 sim to bring my skills back to what they should be."

That's going to help you a lot....remember to dial up the "fake wind"....

I'm a "neck strapper", too...And I like long stick ends.

I found it hard to find some suitable for me....

JR and Spektrum have 4mm stick threads.....the VStabi TX has 3mm threads.

Eventually found some at Esprit.com....they seem to have more of a variety of stick end threads....

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08-30-2017 10:06 PM  79 days agoPost 12
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I love the sim. Just this week I have gotten a good amount of time on it after the wife and kids go to bed. I can now sort of hover inverted, fly backwards both inverted and normal flying. Hovering from all directions in normal mode is still pretty easy. I cant quite yet keep a steady hover inverted. I have changed the weather features around alot on it and also added in random failures so it keeps me on my toes.

I am definately a neck strapper but I cant do the bigger sticks. I have tried before but I like the standard sticks for Helis and thumb sticks for drones.

I have been looking at alot of reviews on the 14SG and I am liking the looks of that one. I have a DX6I for the sim right now and I hate the programming on that radio. The 14SG looks pretty nice so far. I am keeping my eyes open and working on a budget to see what I can afford. Once I get rid of my indoor drones I will have a decent start on the 14SG (which is what I think I am going to get).

I am still undecided on helis right now because what I am looking at would be nice for me but may start an arguement over on this site :-)

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08-30-2017 10:22 PM  79 days agoPost 13
Pistol Pete

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Fun fact...
When the 8FG came out, a later free software upgrade made them a 14ch radio and then eventually the 14SG was born.

Highly recommend holding the 14SG before purchasing.

Depending on your hands size, you may not like what some believe to be the top switches being too close together.
...hate the programming on that radio
You can download manuals for most Tx for programing comparisons.

Hit that throtle hold in the sim...got-to practice autos!

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08-30-2017 10:46 PM  79 days agoPost 14
venture_flyer

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Autos is a must that for sure. For some reason it doesnt seem as if Phoenix does autos to well. At the bottom when I give positive pitch the blades dont really spool up as they should. An auto from about 30 feet is fine but from about 150 feet is hard to land on that sim. Never had that issue in Realflight. I will look around and see if I can find a nice 14SG and see how it feels. I use to think the JR10X switches were tight but I was able to use those just fine. I will have to find one and see how it feels..... Thanks for that info Pete :-)

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08-30-2017 11:30 PM  79 days agoPost 15
EEngineer

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"Autos is a must that for sure. "

Just always land using a "mini-autorotation" from about waist high.....get it just right always...then move it up.....

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08-31-2017 12:24 AM  78 days agoPost 16
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I have been doing nice height autos but no matter that I do Phoenix doesn't seem to spool up as good as realflight use to. Practice makes perfect!

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08-31-2017 12:36 AM  78 days agoPost 17
EEngineer

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Instead of the normal TH switch, I set the 3-position "aux 2" switch on my JR12X to be the TH switch.

Don't have to take my hand of the cyclic switch to hit TH....just "flick it" up with my middle finger.

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08-31-2017 12:52 AM  78 days agoPost 18
venture_flyer

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Fredericksburg VA

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12x would be nice....i love the fact that the new radios allow you to program your switches to what you want them to be. Did alot of research today and the radios have all came so far. I am excited about getting back into flying!

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08-31-2017 01:09 AM  78 days agoPost 19
EEngineer

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"12x would be nice"

It is.....but it's now obsolete.

JR discontinued it....

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08-31-2017 01:24 AM  78 days agoPost 20
JuanRodriguez

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venture,

Your technique for doing autos may be faulty.......

The head speed is built up during the decent portion of the auto..... at the bottom, you use back elevator to "flair" as to stop forward motion and then you apply pitch to bring the heli into a nice hover and additional pitch for the landing.....

So to summarize, the end of the auto is not the place you should be trying to increase the head speed!!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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