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08-23-2017 04:09 PM  9 months agoPost 21
EEngineer

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"so maybe I have to send you EE a pair for beta testing and you can throw all the numbers out there?"

No, I'm satisfied with the blades I'm using....if I want shorter blades, rather than cut them, I get shorter blades...

I'm just asking questions.

Don't you think that any potential investors would also ask such questions?

Do you think they would be satisfied with "how things feel" to you...rather than definitive test data?

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08-23-2017 06:58 PM  9 months agoPost 22
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I know they would want as much info is as expected, absolutely understand that. Mostly they would want to know how it's going to be marketed, what the money is needed for, their return, and projected sales. Never is it a good idea to boast of next best thing to sliced bread and a "better mouse trap. Steady as she goes as they say. Didn't take more than a little exposure at ircha for both vtx and the Chinese guy who made those Blue edge 700's to get their ball rolling.

I also think they would rely on second opinions from pros preferably.

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08-23-2017 09:30 PM  8 months agoPost 23
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I'm sure GreyEagle's opinion would work wonders....

That is, if they could understand him.....

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08-23-2017 10:58 PM  8 months agoPost 24
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Moments ago I just took my balsa 710 template and tested a small leading tip ballast to test how much it would calm the fluttering it suffers without. This is on a 1/16 thickness balsa sheet that was waved through the air quickly like a wand,
So I suppose that is your "wind tunnel" testing method ?? Results measured how it "feels" to you ??

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-23-2017 11:13 PM  8 months agoPost 25
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"This is on a 1/16 thickness balsa sheet that was waved through the air quickly like a wand,"

Will wanders never cease.....

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08-24-2017 12:29 AM  8 months agoPost 26
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"wander" I like it lol.

No, you should understand a flimsy piece of straight edge wood will flutter regardless, it has very little structural integrity. Had it been stiff as steel it would have been mounted on the 700 (provided the root was strong enough to handle a load) with an opposing one and observed for failure or any other anomaly not suitable to lifting and pitch. In other visual observation tests of feathers, long wood slats, long thin narrow pieces of one or another materials fluttering will be observed in some degree if it has no lateral strength. A bird feather being the lightest thing does not flutter and has no ballast though some insects have the pterostigma. So from there all things begin.

Not going very from the box on this first one, a little outside but not far at all, too dangerous and the way people reacted to the tiny blade sanding mod go too for out and no one will care. That kind of thing has happened to just about everybody so the wild notions have got to be kept to a slow simmer.

Consider, if we all came from apes then Jesus would be the Alpha Male king kong in the big picture. (in reference to the hf blade sanding fiasco).

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08-24-2017 01:02 AM  8 months agoPost 27
JuanRodriguez

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^^^

You are smoking some pretty good stuff !! Perhaps you should consider marketing that stuff instead !!!

BTW, why was it that you got the boot from HF ???

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-24-2017 01:16 AM  8 months agoPost 28
EEngineer

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"Not going very from the box on this first one, a little outside but not far at all, too dangerous and the way people reacted to the tiny blade sanding mod go too for out and no one will care."

Have you ever seen the inside of....say....a C130 wing...perhaps the aileron?

You're not inventing anything new....

Remember your attempted re-invention of the dipole antennas used on Spektrum TXs? Using no RF test equipment. How did that work out?

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08-24-2017 02:11 AM  8 months agoPost 29
icanfly

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tx? everything went fine , not a problem.

why I got boot from hf of long ago? towpilot breathed down my back on something, can't remember.

c130 wing? will have to look that up. can you find a pic or more descriptive info about the wing you think might help?

as said nothing revolutionary but yes a little different in some aspects enough to be inspiring, and cool.

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08-24-2017 03:29 AM  8 months agoPost 30
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No, I think he meant just recently....when they caught you using a different name.....and then your blade sanding, etc....

TP is quite the tool, isn't he?

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08-24-2017 03:48 AM  8 months agoPost 31
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if you go the the blade sanding fiasco please tell me what reason there was for the doods ban and who could give a flyin f who it was in the first place, where did mutual respect go? out the door probably because it was solely a tp thing about his little hangup. They have the power to dictate and they became a micro Hitler in their own benign way. Repressive society.

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08-24-2017 04:29 AM  8 months agoPost 32
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"please tell me what reason there was for the doods ban"

I think it was for using another name.....and they didn't like you sanding blades the way you did.....

Jonnyxx97 wanted you banned.....now that guys yet another tool....

Guess they complained to blowpilot....and he banned you and closed the thread. And, he is a micro hitler.....and his actions are legendary....google "towpilot" and you will see....

I totally don't agree with the claimed effects of your sanding, but I don't think you deserved to be banned.

This is a funny one....

Somebody posted in a thread there....that they had been disrespected by a moderator.....for whatever, I forget....

The mod's name was never even mentioned...period...

Before you knew it, all these people chimed in suspecting that it was blowpilot......many posting pseudonyms like toilet paper, TP, etc.....even other mods were snickering behind his back.

And then, TP himself showed up....posted a bunch of PM crap....banned the offender and closed the thread....

It was hilarious to watch this happen....LMAO

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08-24-2017 12:30 PM  8 months agoPost 33
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sad shame really.

I suppose people would think nothing more is to be done on a blade. In the case of vtx a few guys had cracked the tips where ifly sanded them off, so was that ruining or helping demonstrate a remedy? the vtx 457 (?) had a whistle, so that's to be avoided in a new product, an anomaly. In the Mikado forum TP said ifly was "HARASSING" Bill (the prime engineer for vtx) when ifly kept pressing for answers yet non were given. I'll say mystifying people with a cloud of unanswered questions is not good pr. ifly was a fan and bought a pair of 717's, not only to fly but to also discreetly examine.

Read the following statement from vtx design that many a manufacturer has similarly stated having the "finest", fine,
No compromises- That was the VTX mindset when they set out to revolutionize the r/c helicopter rotor blade. From the very first sketches, outlining their goals, every decision made was performance based. It was not the easiest nor the fastest road, but it was the only way to design and bring to market the finest rotor blade available.

Form follows function taken to the next level- Literally every millimeter of the rotor blade is aero data driven. What does this mean? There were no preconceived notions of what the perfect rotor blade should or shouldn’t look like. The VTX team let the aerodynamics have the first and last word, just as it should be.

Unique- Not just a buzz word. Every size of VTX rotor blade is unique in form. That is because each size is unique in the way it performs best. Scalability was never an option. That would have been compromising the goal of bringing the finest rotor blade to the market.
About my ban from hf, some doods got on the alpha male ape bandwagon calling me unintelligible, incoherent, a babbling fool essentially and they couldn't be the furthest from the truth. Vague at times yes, intentionally.

I've rejected several designs even the berp I made plugs for in favor of something improved, yes that's right BETTER in it's own way and probably better than the "blue edge" too. So why am I not focusing on fs? connections, associations, contacts, proof to the nth degree and concise explanations so a fs blade manufacturer would take notice.

I want you to search the fw ta153 and tell me what you notice that is unusual compared to everything else (every other plank).

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09-04-2017 05:33 PM  8 months agoPost 34
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so in my spare time, and as a result of seeing swept tip blades on the Thunder Tiger CX 180 coaxial helicopter today, I decided to let this out of my files. Made this 550mm back in 2014 when I had a single and was messing with plugs for casting into real pairs for sale considerations. Since then a lot has changed. Many flyable pairs I made up were only in the 260mm 325 size as that's the only heli I could fly in the back yard and blade donors were from broken tipped ones, most were saved as broken and are in my cf box of messed up bits.

I envisioned flying the angled tip blades on my Shuttle nitro 550 one day but getting the nitro flyable took several trial and error sessions to tune the heli and make it trust worthy. I do have a customized set of blades on it much like the one I'm showing you today that were flown a year ago not since due to floundering interest.

Yes I'm DELUSIONAL, have visions of GRANDEUR, as you say am on drugs and alcohol all the time, am a space cadet, an idiot, reject, all-so-ran, street TRASH, mentally deficient,incoherent, english is a third language, anything else worthless you can think of yes I'll be all of that just for pwetty widdle yu. Yes that's what I tell myself thanks to the many on rc heli forums who do nothing but bash me down, its a beautiful thing.

Here's to you bub. Welcome to the new age.

Not done yet.

Advanced thinkers need not apply.

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09-06-2017 02:46 AM  8 months agoPost 35
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here's the TT CX180 blade set as described earlier,

however no one has seen those fly yet. Mine have been flown and somewhat perfected for over two years of trial and error.

The one's on my Shuttle are super sweet and as nice could have been manufactured and sold and they are redesigned now waiting for some goopy schtuff for some second generation shaping. So happens not only do I strongly feel I am on my own but have been shoved to the back of the line by all your gaddam negativity on all the net sites in one regard or banning outright, thank you very very much, your the greatest.

Here's the love to ya.

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09-06-2017 04:09 AM  8 months agoPost 36
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But those blades appear to have "sharp edges".....

What's up with that?......You said sharp edges weren't good....

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09-06-2017 05:56 AM  8 months agoPost 37
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The CX-180 is not being flown with those blades though, if you have a look at this video and a couple of others on Youtube, the blades are totally different.

Watch at YouTube

Mark

I'm only here coz I'm not all there !!

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09-06-2017 12:46 PM  8 months agoPost 38
icanfly

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either those on the display are mock up to show something futuristic or they haven't done enough testing to be fully confident as a sale product.

Pointed edges? Those are swept back and even against my own sense of design intuition would I go rounding them off necessarily however if you see the photos of the heli on a display stand at chest height you'll see they put tip socks on them.

If I show you a picture of the 550mm blades I made up from a pair of older TT of all things (and I'm trying to interest Nick Maxwell in partnering with me in bringing you the next gen blade I have for you, no pics stored on any comp btw so I can't be hacked for them and they aren't scimitar either) and flown several times even those I have ground into and am altering quite heavily to imitate a pair of 325's recently perfected. Even that design is not a for sale consideration as there is yet a better concept I was shown by the upper hand a year ago that is not scimitar. Even after two years of curiosity, experimentation, and investigation and observation even still something more efficient was brought to me as a GIFT from heaven (ABOVE) literally and figuratively. Some concepts were just pushing limits of reason, the one prepared for mass production more in line with the ruler straight type you buy today, similar but totally not the same (also brought to my attention by the upper hand).

"don't cast your pearls before swine lest they steal them and trample you under foot" know what I mean, all human beings are NOT THE SAME. Know where I'm coming from?

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09-06-2017 03:15 PM  8 months agoPost 39
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"don't cast your pearls before swine lest they steal them and trample you under foot" know what I mean, all human beings are NOT THE SAME. Know where I'm coming from?
No, I don't.....

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09-06-2017 05:25 PM  8 months agoPost 40
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very good sir, it means secrets are meant to be kept until a most opportune time and for maximized profit to those who are "ABLE".

Now, getting to something interesting but not to criticize VTX on their great product (really) one aspect they don't have is scale-ability. Every vtx size is different in some small insignificant way. If you look at where they may have picked up their design cues look no further than the "X" speed blades made in Germany, like these,

which were used to win the IRCHA speed cup by Miles Dunkel flying at 198+miles per hour.

Blue Edge copys? $300usd a pair for first run of 11 sets? money's not an object for some, makes me want to sell my 710's for $400 a pair and run off a hundred personally made (while utilizing construction only experimented with by few), I'm talking about eliminating the steel wire and the lead ballast while maintaining a high margin of safety, absolutely do-able by today's standards.

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