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07-08-2017 03:35 PM  18 days agoPost 1
GyroFreak

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Our last manned mission launch by U.S. Space vehicle was July 2011. Since then we have relied on Russian launch vehicles for manned flight.
That is 6 years of using Russian equipment for nearly a flawless ride to the space station.
I am discouraged with NASA manned missions.
The robotic explorers work great, so I don't see the need for manned missions, including the international space station. Enough of the zero gravity gymnastics, what real use has come from the space station, very little that I know of except experiments that are of little use to earth bound people.
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NASA budget is 18 billion a year.
I am asking your opinion (without bashing each other) how you stand and the reasons.
For me: Robotic exploring only, forget maned missions. (Guess it's the RC in me, love the robotic explorations)

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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07-08-2017 04:45 PM  17 days agoPost 2
wjvail

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I can't answer your question, "Is NASA worth the money?", simply because I don't know what they do - and that is a problem. 18 billion should have a clear benefit. For 18 billion an average, peripherally interested citizen, such as myself, should be able to clearly point to something worthwhile.

John Kennedy decided to go to the moon in the early '60s to generate interest and spur Americans to develop technology. The Ruskies had just put the first satellite in orbit and America had been asleep at the wheel. NASA, formerly NACA, a publicly funded entity, was tasked to developing these projects for the benefit of the United States and arguably, all mankind. In effect we needed more "science" in America and we needed a place to apply it. Let's go to the moon by the end of the 60s...

These days I worry that NASA has become just another unbankruptable, directionless, government bureaucracy. GPS is a Department of Defense project. SpaceX is privately funded. I understand the difference between pure and applied science and support both. But my lack of faith in the modern US government makes me wonder if we are getting either.

NASA may be worth the money. Tell me what they do, honestly, and I'll give you my opinion as to whether or not it is money well spent.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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07-08-2017 05:35 PM  17 days agoPost 3
spaceman spiff

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Seems to me NASA has an imaging satelite that can see if the lady down the street is sunbathing naked in her back yard.

Yea, its worth it.

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07-08-2017 06:10 PM  17 days agoPost 4
wjvail

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Seems to me NASA has an imaging satelite that can see if the lady down the street is sunbathing naked in her back yard.
Yea, its worth it.
If true, totally worth it; however, I'll need verification - immediately - and often. And don't drones do this now? For well under 18B?

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07-08-2017 08:47 PM  17 days agoPost 5
GyroFreak

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Seems to me NASA has an imaging satelite that can see if the lady down the street is sunbathing naked in her back yard.
But this unmanned robotics, which I am all for that type of exploration. I am against manned space flights because of the small return for the cost. Robotic, or remote exploration is many many times cheaper and doesn't cost a life when something goes wrong.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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07-08-2017 09:20 PM  17 days agoPost 6
Heli_Splatter

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I think NASA has produced far in excess of cost. There are just so many things derived from space inventions. We just don't always see the link from the research. As to manned flight, it is the only way we escape earth and preserve the future of our species. We need outposts for when the big rock hits earth.

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07-08-2017 09:33 PM  17 days agoPost 7
wjvail

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I am against manned space flights because of the small return for the cost. Robotic, or remote exploration is many many times cheaper and doesn't cost a life when something goes wrong.
Well... I suppose there is a measurable number of people that have visions of humans leaving the Earth and living somewhere else. While that some day may become a reality, and we did walk on the moon with limited un-maned flights leading up to men going there, I don't think maned exploration beyond Earth orbit is realistically possible. I'm not sure it's even a worthy goal.

Consider man piloted flight just in the Earth's atmosphere. Notice it is rapidly turning into a thing of the past. Sure there are more people than ever flying in aircraft - but there is a push to have fewer humans operating aircraft. Having spent 12 years fly tactical airplanes for the US Navy and the past 20 years flying for a commercial airline, there is a growing discussion about how much longer planes will be flown by traditional pilots.

In the military there has been an acknowledgment that while some real time decision making and situational awareness can only be achieved by maned flight, that is often offset by the possibility of loss of life or of a pilot becoming a hostage. This reality has lead to more autonomous or remotely conducted flying. Military drones are a here to stay and maned tactical aircraft have been greatly reduced.

Commercial aviation has been slower to accept pilot-less flying but that doesn't mean it isn't being considered.

There is an unmistakable growth in self driving cars. Some are predicting the eventual end of people controlling motor vehicles. If cars become self driving, how much need will there be for a human to get in them? If I need milk and bread for tomorrows breakfast, and if my car is self driving, why not just send it and I'll stay home waiting for its return (reentry)?

I personally don't see how we could even be discussing maned flight outside Earths orbit. At a time when transportation on Earth is moving to robotics, we are considering maned flight to Mars? There seems to be a disconnect.

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07-09-2017 09:27 AM  17 days agoPost 8
spaceman spiff

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There are just so many things derived from space inventions.
Yup. I am told many of even the most basic things like the digital watch came along by technology developed by nasa.

Who knows? someday they may divert a meteor away from earth. Most days that seems like a good thing.

You can't teach a crab to walk straight.

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07-09-2017 11:53 AM  17 days agoPost 9
sjgusmc21

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I think our only hope for long term survival is space exploration. And the only way this will be accomplished is by sending manned missions.

Due I think that NASA is another Bureaucratic Red Tape Government Conglomerate? Yes, and that needs to change. As it does with all of our Gov. agencies.

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07-09-2017 03:14 PM  17 days agoPost 10
wjvail

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I'm not sure we are entirely disagreeing here. There may be a time in the future when we leave this earth - I just don't know if now is that time. At moment in history when remote and robotic travel is becoming a reality here on earth, and with so much to be learned about interplanetary travel, I don't believe the time is right for maned flight outside earths orbit. Some day maybe. Just not today.
I think NASA has produced far in excess of cost. There are just so many things derived from space inventions. We just don't always see the link from the research.
Certainly there was a time when NACAs and NASAs contributions were often and clear. Again, I think we generally agree. My concern is that the digital watch and powdered breakfast drinks came to us 50 years ago. There are times when it is justified to ask, "What have you done for me lately?" and with 18 billion annually in public funding, this is one of those times. As I said in post #2, there actually may be an acceptable answer to the question. Maybe I just haven't been told or looked hard enough.

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07-09-2017 04:44 PM  16 days agoPost 11
Thumper217

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One word - "TANG"

Definitely worth $18,000,000,000.00!

Thumper

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07-09-2017 07:01 PM  16 days agoPost 12
Heli_Splatter

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One word - Dianosaurs

We know how they fared. Let's not make the same mistake again. We have had millions of years to learn from our mistakes. We need to be able to restart after the rock hits. Do you really think that Bruce Willis is going to save us a second time?

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07-10-2017 02:04 AM  16 days agoPost 13
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We have had millions of years to learn from our mistakes
and then there is N K that never will

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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07-10-2017 11:54 PM  15 days agoPost 14
ticedoff8

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In general, the military industrial complex hijacked the last 70 years of aviation, space and energy development.

The first 40 years of aviation was almost all developed and driven by the dreamers, entrepreneur. Those willing to risk it all (Montgomery, Wrights, Curtis, Boeing).
They mainly did it for the profit and "be the first" to been there and done that.

Then, after WWII, the military took over.
The focus shifted to bigger bombs and faster delivery systems.
NACA, NASA, DOE and JPL are all looking to build the next bomb or delivery system
Lots of good research, but all that was focused on blowing sh!t up.

Why are we still using coal for power?
Why are we still using petroleum for transportation?
They got lazy.
And the entrepreneurs spirit shifted to "I want to be the richest motherf***er on the plant. F*** the rest of you".

We are finally getting back on track with the dreamers and the risk takers.

Privatize the space and energy development.
Put the profit motive back into it.

Burt Ratan, Elan Musk - these are the John Joseph Montgomery, Glenn Curtis and Bill Boeing of our time.

NASA promised a reusable space fleet in the 70's.
We got the Space Pickup Truck. Three launches a year and 14 dead.

Musk delivered reusable rockets and capsules.
Next stop: Mars

Next up: Molten salt reactor (MSR). Safe Nukes that cannot be used in bombs and don't "China Syndrome" when the reactor gets flooded by a tsunami.

After that...
Who knows.
As long as Musk, Gates, Buffett and guys like that are out there, I can sleep 1/2 the night.
These are the 1% I trust to do whats right for civilization and progress.

The 1% like the Kock Brothers, Donald Blankenship and Robert Murray give rich people a bad name. These are the people that keep me awake the other 1/2 of the night.

NASA: Forgetaboutit

Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
Fake News will be the downfall of our Republic!

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07-11-2017 02:27 AM  15 days agoPost 15
tadawsonElite Veteran - Lewisville, TX - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I see it differently! I see the $$$ that could have been getting good return on investment in the space program is being more and more redirected toward the failed investment that is the urban parasite, and the coddling thereof. All it has gotten is more parasites, and dumber than ever. It's high time that waste was abandoned, and those lifeforms be required to produce, get out, or suffer . . .

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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07-11-2017 04:07 AM  15 days agoPost 16
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When a big asteroid is going to make the human race extinct and the only hope for long term survival of the human race is a result of space exploration. Were in the line are you going to be behind Trump and 100 Senate and 435 House of Representative members. You could cut in line if you put your head up their a$$, but it’s going to be a tight fit with their head in there too. Who’d want to live with that group? I’ll take my chance of survival with real cockroaches here on earth. Maybe we'll lucky and miss there destination and stay in space forever. We need to keep spending on manned missions, it’s like buying lottery tickets, we may get lucky some day.

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07-11-2017 04:16 AM  15 days agoPost 17
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The urban parasites are one of the big reasons to need to leave the planet . . . I stand by my solution - it's win/win . . . and NASA is responsible for a hell of a lot more than just leaving the planet . . . we use their innovations daily!

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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07-11-2017 02:42 PM  15 days agoPost 18
GyroFreak

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When a big asteroid is going to make the human race extinct
As I stated earlier, that does not require manned missions, just robotic missions. The cost of manned space exploration is exponentially high compared to accomplishing the same with robotic missions. Look at the mars rovers.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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07-11-2017 03:58 PM  14 days agoPost 19
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I don't know why, but I will bite. How in bloody hell are we going to restart the human race with robots? We need to have humans either in orbit or colonized on another planet to hit the restart button on earth after it is destroyed.

It might take thousands of years for earth to support human life after the collision.

So, how are the robots going to help this situation?

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07-11-2017 10:24 PM  14 days agoPost 20
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What does SpaceX cost us?

You can't teach a crab to walk straight.

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