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07-02-2017 10:37 AM  4 months agoPost 1
PaulBowen

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Just an observation.

After my usual scouring of the forums looking for all manner of information and insight I have found that whenever I look at a topic thinking it will answer a question, those posting are very commonly giving there experiences on helicopters smaller than 450's, sometimes much smaller. It is my experience that these smaller machines are not at all like helicopters 550 size and up. Is the average size of model helicopters getting smaller now or am I just imagining it. As a final not for now this phenomenon seems more common on "the other" forum.

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07-02-2017 12:56 PM  4 months agoPost 2
ICUR1-2

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and I thought 450's were getting bigger ( 380's) I have a 250 450 500 and 600N. I can say the 250 and 450 are similar in flight but the 500 flies more like my 600.

As for HF I don't care for that place too much too hard to find info from good sources.

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07-02-2017 01:28 PM  4 months agoPost 3
icanfly

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micro fixation takes place most on rcg, 700s and 3d on hf, scale and generally everything else here.

even though it would be great to fly 700s all the time sometimes budget and time constraints limit some to the smaller helis for the time being, learning on those until the moment they are at a huge field with $1500 in s5000x2 packs while knowing they won't crash from shaky fingers. The littler ones teach a person so much at not much expense.

My nitro Shuttle is a 550 (600 with only a longer boom and blades). I took it out to a large field last year a few times, began to make the huge field smaller every time I went back. I take the 700 there and will run out of room in a hurry.

Sometimes economics, skill level, opportunity to flight space.

I made a quip to a hs owner "I fly 700s and can fly one from my back yard, in a cone as high as the low alt planes if I wanted to" implying I was badass because I have 700s and can really fly rc helis well enough to do so, impressive.

A buddy asked me why I don't make a huge heli, I tell him I will when ready, not something to push like a fetus newborn from mothers vaginar.

lol,,,,,,,,,,,,he says waiting for a pair of 6s5000s to arrive in a few weeks from now.

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07-02-2017 01:43 PM  4 months agoPost 4
Richardmid1

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I have just sold my last 700 machine. I am down to a 550 and a 450 due to finances and lack of interest.

You can't base someones knowledge and ability to answer your questions on what they fly. They are basically the same from 450 to 800.

At our club (or ex club now due to not enough members!) There were far more 450's and 500's 5 years ago than there were up until recently where everyone had a 700.

Maybe the whole "you need a 550+' size heli to learn on" has stopped new people coming into the hobby. It's a shame because it couldn't be further from the truth! More people need to be flying smaller helis and realising it doesn't have to be expensive!

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07-02-2017 02:54 PM  4 months agoPost 5
EEngineer

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I like bigger helis....mainly because I can see their orientation better....

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07-02-2017 04:43 PM  4 months agoPost 6
flycatch

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IMO it is all about cost and marketing. Another factor to considering is size. The smaller it is the less intimidating it becomes.

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07-02-2017 05:05 PM  4 months agoPost 7
EEngineer

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Sure, but if you can't see it properly, then flying it is more difficult....

And, I disregard marketing jargon....all great 3D pilots can fly anything well....and I'm won't be that great....ever....

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07-02-2017 05:44 PM  4 months agoPost 8
RabbitDFFD

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EEngineer +1 on visibility. I'm actually selling my micros now. at this point I have 2 flybarless v977 micros ,a frankenheli 450 flybarred, a trex 450 pro dfc, a blade 500 3d flybarred, and think I got a deal on a trex 500 dfc locked in yesterday at the airfield. The owner of the Trex 500 says it needs some repairs, he has most of it, but he recommends I get all new servos for it. OK, that means I MIGHT be able to get it flying by November with my budget. I love my micros because I can fly them anytime anywhere and no matter how bad I crash them, it never costs more than a couple bucks to repair them. That being said, they now are hindering my advancing in the learning curve. I'm still new to these aircraft and controlling them, and my biggest problem is the pucker factor. I take any of my 450 or my 500 helis out and spin them up and I get so nervous, I only run 1 or maybe 2 packs through them and in the house they go. out comes the micros and I fly until I can't stand it any longer. Yesterday was the first time in my life I've visited an rc airfield. Nobody around me that I know flies regularly. Except I found out yesterday that an almost neighbor of mine is where jamie robertson practices most of them time when he's home. Also found out the property owner flies, but it's sort of a "invite only" ordeal. I will say it was nice to visit the airfield and meet some people in person finally. I'm semi-disabled and my income is tragically limited. I dont know any people that can get by on $750 per month, much less have a hobby like this and manage to own multiple models. The view from my front porch is thousands of acres of small rural and agriculture pastures, but I dont have access to any of it. my property sits on a hillside and even though my front yard is an acre+, I've got trees all around me and a small pool size pond, so I'm limited on chances I'll take on helicopters I cannot afford to readily repair. I absolutely love the helicopters and the challenge they present in learning to fly and control them. I've been hooked since february. the sad thing is that my love for flying and financial limitations are a constant battle. Just for the sake of access to an airfield and being able to talk to someone face to face once in a while, I purchased my first used plank yesterday. nearest airfield is a 40 minute drive for me and it's a no helicopter club. Problem for me still is that one trip to that airfield yesterday used 2 weeks worth of my budgeted fuel funds. All that taken into consideration, if it was purely financial, I never would have considered helis bigger than micro. and I completely understand people sticking with smaller helis due to living in the cities and lack of safe places to fly them. Not to mention having to deal with the ignorant ass-hats that consider any rc aircraft a "drone" and cause problems for us hobbyists. Regardless, I want bigger. I would love nothing more than to get my hands on a 700, but there's just no way in hell I can manage the cost of it, much less the equipment for running one. There's no doubt why people are going to smaller helicopters. . I'll stay in it as long as I can manage to fund it or find the right deals. So far, I've been able to capitalize on deals due to other people losing interest or just burned out on the cost of maintaining and powering these aircraft. It's taken my a month and a half just to be able to order a couple battery packs to be able to fly my Blade 500. And I'm still waiting on those. That's MY situation, but it relates to more people than not as far as access and funding. But hey, we got Trump, hopefully more work and a better ratio of income:cost of living is in the future for more people. I know, I'm not MLK, I don't have dreams. . I just don't give up entirely on "what if". hahaha

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07-02-2017 06:41 PM  4 months agoPost 9
Richardmid1

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But surely the smaller the heli the closer you fly it?!

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07-02-2017 06:46 PM  4 months agoPost 10
EEngineer

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I can't see the heli properly at 2 mistakes high...LOL

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07-02-2017 08:03 PM  4 months agoPost 11
RabbitDFFD

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The smaller the heli. 1) the less space needed to fly it. 2) The less lethal or damage it can cause.

^^^^^^^
2 biggest concerns for new "responsible" pilots.

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07-02-2017 11:31 PM  4 months agoPost 12
PaulBowen

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I own a Forza 450 with the three blade head. I am lucky enough to have multiple helicopters but have also been doing this for many years. The Forza will be sold when I get around to it as I'm no fan of the way they fly, I'm just used to larger helicopters.

I totally understand the cost factor and one thing I learned recently is that a 30 size nitro machine is as much fun as any. I purchased a NIB JR Ergo 30 from someone on here and built it with modern servos and blades and my XG14 radio. I don't fly it often due to a lack of spares but it is as much fun as my 700 and 800 size helicopters. I learnt to fly in 1997 with an Ergo but eventually sold it as I wanted something more exciting.

Basically a nitro 550 is very cheap to operate, flys more like a bigger heli than a smaller one and can be a real pussy cat if run at around 1700rpm as originally intended. I often see Hirobo Shuttles for sale on RR, they're a fantastic helicopter and parts are still available. They also don't require expensive chargers and power supplies, HV servos or voltage regulators. All they need is fuel, and don't use much of it.

As far as intimidating is concerned, at the RPM people run today I'm not surprised people find their helicopters intimidating. This is in regards to being visually intimidating, aurally intimidating and having very intimidating control response. This is one of the reasons some model clubs don't want anything to do with helicopters, the other being 3d flying and the risks, perceived or real associated with it.

I believe people need to put more effort into learning the discipline of hovering, accuracy in takeoff and landing, accuate circuits and approaches. I fly circuits with the fixed wing aircraft at our club and never run into any issues at all. I even overtook a Super Hornet with my Turbulence the other day! Many people enter our hobby now wanting to be instant 3d hot shots and have little to no patience or discipline in the baby steps required to become a safe and reliable operator. The risks can be greatly reduced through sensible setups and being patient.

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07-03-2017 12:16 AM  4 months agoPost 13
gologo

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Sedalia, Mo USA

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Like Paul, I started back in the 90s when you basically started out
w. 30 nitros if you wanted to get into this. There was the occasional
weak-kneed round-cell electric, but generally you would start out
w. a 500-550 bladed 30. I never knew anything smaller, and have never
been able to get myself to try a micro/mini yet. The few I have tried
has just not impressed me at all....of course big air' type flying
combined w. my eyes, kind of rules out smaller stuff anyway.

But, I can sure see where the MUCH more affordable mini/micros w.
their ability to fly almost anywhere at all, and almost tiny repair
costs, can bring a lot more people in to get their feet wet......and
MAYBE get the 'addiction' planted in them

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07-03-2017 12:40 AM  4 months agoPost 14
EEngineer

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Well, now you've touched on politics and economics....

Because of the politicians, the country's had a recession.....started with the housing market in 2007/8....escalated from there....

Fewer discretionary funds to spend....people up to their ears in personal debt....fewer luxuries can be afforded, etc., etc., etc.

So the markets adjust, etc.

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07-03-2017 12:48 AM  4 months agoPost 15
RabbitDFFD

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But the markets aren't adjusting. . the hobby is just losing support and getting less and less common. And we're just getting old. . kids these days want everything fpv. . dunno if it's the Gamer mentality or what. .I've never been able to get into fpv very much. I prefer 3rd person view for 3d graphics and I think it is easier to pick up orientation with more to see. not to mention less chance of tunnel vision locking the pilot in on the aircraft without considering surroundings fully.

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07-03-2017 01:26 AM  4 months agoPost 16
EEngineer

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They'll figure out something...

When Vanderbilt and the railroads starting squeezing Rockefeller to ship his kerosene to market, Rockefeller just built kerosene pipelines and cut Vanderbilt out....way back when....

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07-03-2017 02:05 AM  4 months agoPost 17
PaulBowen

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Yes money is a massive factor in this hobby and always will be. For me money comes and goes.

I used to dream of model aircraft with FPV, but now I'm more interested in watching the beauty of my helicopters in the air. It may just be me but I guess I see anything below 500 size as being a toy, and yes I know they're all toys really! I think you know what I mean.

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07-03-2017 07:38 AM  4 months agoPost 18
MDSCUSTOMS

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I don't own any machines smaller than 500 size and even those smaller ones have been upgraded to 600 size mainly due to scale conversions. I do have a couple of 700 size machines as well (Also scale).

Granted bigger machines are more expensive than their smaller counterparts (look at the price you pay for a scale multi-blade head for a 450 machine compared to same for a 500 / 600 size machine where there is a massive price jump) Having said that, the bigger machines are actually more stable to fly and less twitchy in light winds. Visibility is also another big factor as has already been mentioned.

As the old saying goes, Bigger is better and that is certainly true when it comes to RC Heli's

It's all down to money of course, when you can afford it then go for it.

Ps...I flew my first RC Heli back in 1976, A MicroMold Lark, that was 500 size back then (HB 25 engine) I can safely say that as I still have one !!

Mark

I'm only here coz I'm not all there !!

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07-03-2017 02:51 PM  4 months agoPost 19
EEngineer

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That should be in a museum somewhere.....

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07-03-2017 03:10 PM  4 months agoPost 20
RabbitDFFD

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Which one should be in a museum? MDSCUSTOMS or the Helicopter???? S#*^ I was 4 yrs old in 76!! hahahah

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