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06-22-2017 04:00 AM  30 days agoPost 1
Aswick3

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Bristol Ct 06010

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Who still prefers to fly flybar helis over flybarless and vise versa!?
I haven't had a flybarred heli since my century hawk SE.
However, I'm thinking about getting another nitro and it being a flybar machine. I don't need anything for it just an airframe. And grand rc had some flybar kits on the cheaper end.
Idkk lol
Waste of time to do a flybar???

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06-22-2017 04:14 AM  30 days agoPost 2
TMoore

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Cookeville, TN

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Not at all if the price is right.

Delayed Response Operator Not Engaged

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06-22-2017 08:41 AM  30 days agoPost 3
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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I would still have one if you could still easily get spares!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-22-2017 02:26 PM  30 days agoPost 4
utahbob

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St. George Utah

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I still fly both..

After flying my Logo's..it takes a couple of flights with my flybarred nitro's to get used to the "squirreliness". You get spoiled by the locked on feel of flb.

I do a great decending funnel!

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06-22-2017 03:05 PM  30 days agoPost 5
PaulBowen

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East coast Australia.

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I love flybar. Flying a flybar has a very natural feel. I think they are a wonder of design. My Hirobo Freya exhibits no squirrelly behaviour whatsoever.

It all comes down to design, quality and setup.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-22-2017 03:13 PM  30 days agoPost 6
crflyer

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Maine

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I still have a couple FB helicopters, and love them.
I converted my Hirobo Turbulence D3 to FBL but I'm thinking about switching it back,I liked the way it flew with a FB.

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06-22-2017 03:33 PM  30 days agoPost 7
ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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Flying them is fun. Setting them up and repairing them after a crash, not so much (relative to a FBL heli).

Steve

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06-22-2017 03:52 PM  30 days agoPost 8
EEngineer

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TX

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"Setting them up"

I never could set them up properly....

I admire the ingenuity of those that could, though.

Logo 600SXs, 700XX, 800XX

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06-22-2017 07:36 PM  30 days agoPost 9
Heli Fanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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... it all depends what you value.

- "do you still use the home rotary dial type phone?"
- "still fax in your documents?"
- "do you use checks and send it in the mail vs PP?

for those that like it old school, it's whatever works for them. but the issue now a days is "COMMUNICATION".

Corresponds only when it fits their needs but MIA when they have no desire, complete break down of courtesy. not and those guys get this:

...now Pile it on fellas

- Scott

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06-22-2017 08:15 PM  30 days agoPost 10
Pistol_Pete

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Seffner, FL

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Waste of time to do a flybar?

THE only waste of time is "DOWN" time.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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06-22-2017 09:22 PM  30 days agoPost 11
Aswick3

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Bristol Ct 06010

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Thanks all! I agree the setup and build time takes longer, they do fly nice tho and I like that about them.
I haven't pulled the plug yet but I think it'll be pretty soon

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06-22-2017 10:57 PM  30 days agoPost 12
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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never seen a flybar fail.
but I only like them on the larger sizes

spending time, paying attention

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06-23-2017 12:00 AM  29 days agoPost 13
PaulBowen

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East coast Australia.

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I'm pretty sure most sport flyers are not really requiring a technological edge for their flying. Most people cannot operate thier helicopter to the limit of it's capability. I think people forget this is a hobby, and hobbies are often about curiosity. I have a curiosity when it comes to helicopters and have no interest in using technology to ultimately replace me in this hobby. I we wanted to use technology to it's limit we would all just fly simulators instead of bothering with all of that actual "real" equipment.

The flybar setup doesn't worry me as the manufacturers usually provide pretty good starting points. Luckily for us we have RunRyder with it many experts and endless setup and fine tuning advice.

As for repairs, it usually takes a week or two for my parts to arrive from Japan so I'm not really in a rush to get the machine airborne again. I've also noticed servo repairs seem a bit more common in the flybarless world, a job I just can't stand.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-23-2017 06:24 PM  29 days agoPost 14
MattJen

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UK

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love my fly-bar..

tried FBL just did not feel as connected to my machine as I did with Flybar.

haven't had issues with spares, just stockpiled various fly bar lengths,

but as comments have posted, this hobby would be very boring if we all had same likes and dislikes, I love seeing the FBL guys fly their machines.

Matt

All The Best

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06-23-2017 06:31 PM  29 days agoPost 15
Aswick3

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Bristol Ct 06010

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Yeah I agree with that comment ^ if everyone just had the same it'd be less interesting and fun!
I'll post what I come up with !!

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06-24-2017 01:00 AM  28 days agoPost 16
Heli_Splatter

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USA

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When I fly FB, I feel like it is jittery. But now after flying FBL for so long, it is not a big deal. I have good control and I can compensate. It is great to fly my older birds.

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06-24-2017 01:07 AM  28 days agoPost 17
RabbitDFFD

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Claremore, Oklahoma - USA

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I just started in the hobby in February, but I've got both. My micro is FBL, and have a flybar 450 frankenheli I pieced together from an eRazor, helimax, and Trex, then I have my TRex 450 Pro DFC, and my newest addition to the fleet is a Blade 500 3D. Sure I can do more with the flybarless, but I like the more "hands on" learning curve of the flybar. . definitely flybar is more pilot finesse and skill developing than flybarless when starting out.

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06-24-2017 08:27 AM  28 days agoPost 18
PaulBowen

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East coast Australia.

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Just a note regarding the handling qualities of a flybar helicopter. I have owned many and they all fly differently. Not all flybar rotor systems were created equally and I personally believe the Japanese may have perfected them.

It all comes down to what we want from our models and what flying qualities are of more importance, remembering both FB and FBL can both be tuned to suit quite broad requirements.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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06-24-2017 03:28 PM  28 days agoPost 19
MattJen

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UK

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Yep ^^ agree above.

In my old F3C days I would spend hours, days, weeks, fine tuning the fly bar, using weights, different weighted paddles, longer, shorter flybar, moving weights closer or further from shaft, until I could get it to sit perfectly in the hover.

It taught me a lot about different fly bar systems and how a helicopter works, having flown Hiller only mixes, or Bell Hiller each required their own little tweak..

I appreciate now it is a case of tweaking software and dialing in different levels of expo..

I did love with FB the fact as a pilot I am flying the machine, rather than with FBL correcting.. - my opinion..

I just like being in control.. I know technology has moved on considerably but I remember the first units where people had tip overs, machines suddenly doing crazy things due to vibration etc..

But I can understand the attraction of FBL so clean and responsive.

All The Best

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06-24-2017 03:42 PM  28 days agoPost 20
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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I also prefer mechanical engineering to electrical engineering. One of the main things that attracted me to helis was the mechanical engineering required to make them controllable. Flybarless helis bore me in this respect.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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