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HelicopterMain Discussion › Let's all give a big welcome to Mr. John A. Taylor, the man who beat the FAA in court
06-20-2017 04:23 AM  4 days agoPost 1
EEngineer

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One of our newest members is Mr. John A. Taylor....the man who took on the FAA in court....on his own....and WON!

He's the proverbial "David"....who struck down the FAA "Goliath".....for all RC fliers everywhere in the USA.

Welcome, Mr. Taylor, to Runryder!

We all owe you a sincere debt of gratitude.....

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06-20-2017 12:36 PM  4 days agoPost 2
JuanRodriguez

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Welcome John... And we all appreciate your hard work !

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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06-20-2017 12:48 PM  4 days agoPost 3
wrongler

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Welcome John, Congratulations on a job that so many others could not do.

Bill Whittaker

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06-20-2017 01:16 PM  4 days agoPost 4
gmcullan

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Woo hoo, and welcome John!

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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06-20-2017 01:37 PM  4 days agoPost 5
conbones

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Welcome t RR Mr Taylor and thanks for all your hard work in defending our freedom from these creatures in washington.

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06-20-2017 01:40 PM  4 days agoPost 6
Heli143

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Welcome and thank you for all your hard work on our behalf.

Roy Mayoral

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06-20-2017 01:50 PM  4 days agoPost 7
HeliNutAndy

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I'd like to thank you. I never registered and never planned too but thank you for not saying "someone else is probably taking them on".

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06-20-2017 11:57 PM  3 days agoPost 8
fueline

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Thank You!!!

Thank You!!!!

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06-21-2017 12:14 AM  3 days agoPost 9
870heli

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Yes Thanks and a job well gone.

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06-21-2017 08:34 PM  3 days agoPost 10
JohnATaylor

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That's quite a welcome! Thanks!

While the case will always be a victory in terms of standing up for the rule of law, it remains to be seen whether it continues to help the hobby, or in fact does more harm than good.

I had hoped the decision would come down during a lull in drone hysteria but, as it turns out, it came down just as Congress is dealing with FAA reauthorization. Various congressmen have indicated an interest in addressing this issue.

It's important that you let your hobby organizations and other advocates know how you feel about the issue.

I was both surprised and disappointed to see DJI come out in support of registration:
http://bit.ly/2taH5FS

"The FAA’s innovative approach to drone registration was very reasonable, and registration provides for accountability and education to drone pilots. I expect the legal issue that impedes this program will be addressed by cooperative work between the industry and policymakers."

It will be difficult to preserve the status quo if Congress is only hearing from people who favor registration, or want to use the process to serve their own needs, rather than the interests of recreational hobbyists as a whole.

Thanks again.

John

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06-21-2017 09:11 PM  3 days agoPost 11
EEngineer

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John, since DJI is a Chinese company, are they familiar with the laws of the United States with regards to this issue?

ChiComs are used to "dictatorships"....and not about the US Constitution and what it means.

Perhaps they need an education about the limits imposed by the US Constitution on the federal govt..... Like the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution and such.

I realize that you're a busy man, but would it be possible for you to make them aware of the issues involved by communication in writing?...Or any other method that might help?

I don't think the CURRENT AMA hierarchy will do any such thing, as they seem to be in favor of the FAA's encroachment on our hobby.

I believe that your words and legal opinions carry much more "weight", given what you have done to protect us all from the "powers that be".

Thanks again for your hard work and time to help us all....

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06-21-2017 11:49 PM  2 days agoPost 12
Pistol_Pete

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Welcome John.

As for DJI...Brendan Schulman is the drone lawyer working for them.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bre...mobile&ie=UTF-8

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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06-22-2017 12:11 AM  2 days agoPost 13
EEngineer

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Related to Leon Shulman?

never mind...no relationship

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06-22-2017 01:48 AM  2 days agoPost 14
youngbuck

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This is just a disappointment. I mean I'd love to chat and learn with this new member however it's all coming to an end with RR! Is everyone going to a new site that I'm not aware of?
I heard there was a brand new site, are you all heading to that site by chance?

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06-22-2017 02:05 AM  2 days agoPost 15
EEngineer

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"it's all coming to an end with RR"

Where did you hear that?

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06-22-2017 03:07 AM  2 days agoPost 16
JohnATaylor

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DJI's Position

Brendan Schulman is DJI's attorney, and he's the person quoted in the article.

I've spoken with him. I like and respect Brendan, but disagree with him on registration.

The FAA's system provided no accountability. As far as I've been able to determine, no one was ever held accountable by use of the process.

Arguing that accountability is a real need pushes us towards a point-of-sale system, which the manufacturers don't want.

What we really need is education. The manufactures should have been working on that. Have a course and quiz you have to pass before you can access the flying app.

The educational component of the FAA's registration was nothing more than a bad joke. Their attorney bragged to the court that the entire registration process took only seven minutes. Not much educating going on there.

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06-22-2017 03:42 AM  2 days agoPost 17
EEngineer

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Who in Congress and the Senate is being lobbied by anyone that will sponsor any bills that would nullify what James Inhofe(R-OK) provided for hobbyists to be excluded from FAA encroachment?

Is it just the FAA?

Or....is it any business entities?

Would you know?

Or could you find out?

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06-22-2017 03:57 AM  2 days agoPost 18
revmix

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only seven minutes
to read the AMA's safety code 105 takes even less

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06-22-2017 05:19 AM  2 days agoPost 19
TMoore

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Arguing that accountability is a real need pushes us towards a point-of-sale system, which the manufacturers don't want.
Welcome John, glad to have you.

This is what I've advocated from the start. The Drone Weenie Manufacturers have to use an unlock code which will only release as soon as the user registers and creates an account and that account gets verified with a CC. Registration solved nothing.

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06-22-2017 06:49 PM  2 days agoPost 20
Steve Graham

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I currently own a DJI Phantom 4 Pro but am not a fan of the company's past or present approach to UAS advocacy. It was therefore with mixed emotions that I purchased the drone but it is a powerful and well thought out tool for photography. The company's continued attempts to force owners into new operating restrictions that were not in place at the time of purchase is driving a wedge between the company and its customers. Education and encouraging voluntary compliance and responsibility from it's tools users is a far cry from breaking those tools functionally if users don't accept a continuously changing EULA they did not agree too at the time of purchase.

DJI may be a chinese company but they have a HUGE business presence here in the U.S. and are very well versed in U.S. law. No need to educate them at all on U.S. laws.

DJI produced their drones for years with very little in the way of guidance or advocacy. At least partially as a result of that business practice we found way too many of their customers operating in ways that cast a pall on the entire RC hobby and lead to calls for regulation.

Brendan Schulman was the representative for defendant Raphael Pirker who set out to and successfully became public enemy number one as the face of how not to operate sUAS as either hobbyist or professional. For me his actions were unconscionable if you value the hobby. The result of the Pirker legal proceedings was a mixed bag that resulted in an NTSB decision declaring that sUAS are indeed aircraft as defined by the FAR's with the FAA having jurisdiction.

Fast forward a few years and Mr Shulman has leveraged his work on the Pirker case into a very profitable position as Vice President of Global Policy and Legal Affairs at DJI. In this position the individual who formerly wanted the FAA out of sUAS regulation is now a leading proponent for FAA involvement in our hobby.

DJI, whose products have become the poster child for irresponsible drone ownership has transitioned into a company that willingly accepts and advocates for unnecessary federal intrusion into our hobby. With both the company and the individual I'd suggest the motivations are quite simply a matter of following the money.

In contrast, many have vilified the AMA for attempting to grow their membership as a money grab. Far from it. The AMA's efforts have sought to increase membership in order to form a stronger/larger constituency for defending the hobby from federal encroachment. Some of these individuals have inferred from the AMA's participation on the ARC the organization's complicity with federal registration. Very simply the AMA's decision to be a party to the ARC was the choice to be in the room with some chance of effecting the output versus standing on the street outside leaving the hobby with NO voice. As was declared during the FAA's announcement "registration is coming one way or another". If you watch closely you will see the AMA advocated for registration as members of the organization have already participated in for decades in compliance with the safety code by "ensuring the aircraft is identified with the name and address or AMA number of the owner on the inside or affixed to the outside of the model aircraft". Once again for those who have already been told but choose to remain ignorant the AMA objected to the findings of the ARC but those objections were prevented from becoming part of the ARC's output by the FAA. DJI, the company, OTOH who was also a party to the ARC fully supported the move towards registration at the time. At least here they are consistent in that they still support registration to this day.

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