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06-21-2017 07:54 PM  31 days agoPost 21
abyzzfan

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Cmon man! We have exchanged a handful of messages, if that many. I merely highlighted that some of your statements were wrong. No need to get your panties in a bunch.
You make too many assumptions in the rest of your post.
no, you wanted to make moral equivalence, play devil's advocate. You seem to enjoy doing this but can't even bother to see where this is leading.

To move along with one of your objections, and to counter your equivalence prodding, consider this: Your country bombed Vietnam plenty of times. You interfered with their people and stirred the pot. Henry Kissinger should be tried for War Crimes because he is a monster of the highest order. In fact, you did some pretty f@£king horrible things in Vietnam, and yet, after all this do we see any Vietnamese declaring War on the West, or wanting the world to submit to their "religion" or whatever the hell is it? Do any of the Vietnamese living in American want to commit "Jihad" against the general population, despite a terrible history that American has done to some of them? No, they don't. They're smart enough to see history and how things are. It's not even about forgiveness. As an American - or any person in the world - you can visit Vietnam on holiday and they'll make you welcome despite the horrors of the past, they just want to get on with their lives, to live.
abyzz....if you don't think that xterra is able to think, why spend an inordinate amount of time writing a treatise that he is supposed to read and comprehend?
I never said that. He seems to display some leftist's leanings. . .
I wanted to get into why he thought the way he did because it gives me the understanding why those in this country are thinking the way they do. Why do you think I'm here? I'm interested in this problem we have in the comprehension of some of the population so I can try at least see their point of view and see if ANY of their points have any validity - and also get use to the games they play.

Let's be honest here: Western society is LIBERAL. It's just that some of the liberals on the far left have push it too much to the point of not bothering to factor in human psychology and other ethical considerations. The problem with the left is that they think ALL cultures are equal, same mistake a lot of people make, because they have not bothered to look at the problem in depth.

One of the most shocking events so far is this:

Watch at YouTube

Here you see someone telling the truth about Islam and Piers Morgan shouts him down. Even the female interviewer wanted to "correct" him. Pretty ironic when BOTH have not even read the Queeran nor understood its contents, and they've probably took their views from those in their upper class circles - they don't want to think about these things you see. . .

Now does anyone understand why we're going to have a slight uphill struggle in convincing the rest of the population on what's going on?

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06-21-2017 10:53 PM  31 days agoPost 22
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no, you wanted to make moral equivalence, play devil's advocate. You seem to enjoy doing this but can't even bother to see where this is leading.
Too many assumptions. I said some of your statements were wrong.
About Vietnam, you know the North won, right?
I never said that. He seems to display some leftist's leanings. . .
I found that extremely offensive!

IMO, extremist are the issue. One can think that Muslims can be easily radicalized or that Catholics priests are pedophiles, and that Brits have bad teeth -or none whatsoever (not that there's anything wrong with that).


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06-21-2017 11:15 PM  31 days agoPost 23
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I've been to the store and a woman had her full black burka full on slott for vision" why do I even know what the word burka is?"..
Islam Hubby keeping her in check...

I was offended.....

Hello,,anyone give a f????

Is the burka and the terrorist producing religion going to be banned now that I am offended ????

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06-22-2017 07:06 AM  30 days agoPost 24
abyzzfan

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Too many assumptions. I said some of your statements were wrong.
About Vietnam, you know the North won, right?
It didn't really matter who won. Despite all the horrible things you did to them the Vietnamese just wanted to get on with life. Their ideology doesn't produce terrorists the likes of islam does.
IMO, extremist are the issue. One can think that Muslims can be easily radicalized or that Catholics priests are pedophiles, and that Brits have bad teeth -or none whatsoever (not that there's anything wrong with that).
in the case of everything else I agree with you. In the case of Islam. NO. Again, this shows your total utter ignorance of the situation. And it's this kind of ignorance that is common amongst the general population, and is the contributing factor to why our political leaders haven't bothered to deal with the islamic problem properly, to give it the seriousness that it deserves.

You can keep on telling yourself this in regards to islam, and we'll have more terror attacks and innocent people being killed, and if idiots like you are in charge, we'll light more candles, make more speeches, throw some platitudes and placations, and then generally forget about it for it to happen again. See the pattern. It's ain't working.

Meanwhile the likes of Japan, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia etc do not have terrorist attacks, because, ahem, they don't really have any muslims.

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06-22-2017 08:20 PM  30 days agoPost 25
Xterra

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Their ideology doesn't produce terrorists the likes of islam does.
Probably not the best comparison, orange and apples if you will. Have a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world
How many different countries, absolute numbers. In comparison to Vietnam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam
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Meanwhile the likes of Japan, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia etc do not have terrorist attacks, because, ahem, they don't really have any muslims.
Once again, wrong:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
.
We have one big problem with Muslim extremists. It is very difficult to differentiate between an extremist and your regular Muslim. Therefore, I do support travel bans. I also cannot wait for the darned wall to be built.


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06-22-2017 09:05 PM  30 days agoPost 26
abyzzfan

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Probably not the best comparison, orange and apples if you will. Have a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world
How many different countries, absolute numbers. In comparison to Vietnam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam
wrong equivalence. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Buddhist etc. . . do NOT seek to FORCE those who do not agree with their ideology to SUBMIT (islam means submission) to their ways or be treated as second class citizens or die. They do NOT want the world in their own image. Only islam does, and THAT is the problem.
We have one big problem with Muslim extremists. It is very difficult to differentiate between an extremist and your regular Muslim. Therefore, I do support travel bans. I also cannot wait for the darned wall to be built.
Where do you think the extremists come from? Why are the "normal" muslims NOT demonstrating AGAINST their brethren who commit these atrocities against ordinary innocent people? Why are muslims sooo against Free Speech and open criticism of their religion? Why should drawing a cartoon of their prophet provoke outright murderous violence?

And if you want to use the word "extremist" then look at the utterly obvious: their prophet satisfies perfectly your definition of an extremist by the very deeds that he did to legitimise his rule and establish his claim of divine authority. They see him as a "perfect" man. Where do you think having people who idolise such a role model would lead us?

Yes, of course, you know problem is not the Nazi ideology it's just that some of them are extremists.

And if you want to take this absurd position of yours further lets see what happens when the muslims population slowly - but surely - increase in proportion to the general population and see what they start to get up to.

To say that you are blind, stupid and down right misguided is a serious understatement.

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06-22-2017 09:33 PM  30 days agoPost 27
Xterra

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^^^^^^^

No need for the name calling. We have similar views, we express them in different ways.
We will have to agree to disagree. No biggie


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