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06-11-2017 08:09 PM  68 days agoPost 21
outhouse

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I MADE A CHOICE and the correct one.
That is it right there. Correct choice.

Its a scumbag choice to keep popping, I had a terrible injury in my twenties semi crippled for two years, gave the hard core pills away after the first 2 weeks.

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06-11-2017 08:14 PM  68 days agoPost 22
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That is it right there. Correct choice.

Its a scumbag choice, I had a terrible injury in my twenties semi crippled for two years, gave the hard core pills away after the first 2 weeks.
You choose wisely.

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06-12-2017 02:12 PM  67 days agoPost 23
RM3

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Do you have any idea how many veterans are affected by this problem? I have seen one too many
I will be very surprised if the veterans that actually saw action while being deployed and frequently visit RR do not know, at least, one individual suffering from this.
keep in mind (Im a Combat Veteran) that alot of these "other" vets also had issues BEFORE they joined up... many had a track record of making poor choices to begin with... others I dealt with directly played the medical retirement game, and ended up that way by accidental choice by playing up a minor health problem (or making one up entirely), making it out to be way bigger than it really was to get out of having to work, then ended up being prescribed opioids (cause doctors cant find anything wrong with them...so).

It is a complex problem, many innocent people get caught up in it, but addiction is directly connected to self control and choice.

In the end its about will power and the right choices.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-12-2017 03:01 PM  67 days agoPost 24
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Thanks for your service for our country.....

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06-12-2017 03:08 PM  67 days agoPost 25
ChrisC1

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Does anyone here deny that the deaths are not a positive thing? reducing the junky population who are for the most part democrats
Does your hatred, or is it ignorance, make you so blind and one sided?

Please post any link that proves that the majority of heroin overdoses are democrats.

Do you realize that the highest per capita heroin overdoses are in Utah and it is also mostly mormons? And the majority of Utah voted trump.

Do you really know anything about heroin overdoses or are you just being like trump and saying whatever sounds good to you?

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06-12-2017 03:11 PM  67 days agoPost 26
Xterra

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^^^^^^

keep in mind (Im a Combat Veteran) that alot of these "other" vets also had issues BEFORE they joined up
RM, I know you are -I have seen the pictures in your gallery several times.
many had a track record of making poor choices to begin with... others I dealt with directly played the medical retirement game, and ended up that way by accidental choice by playing up a minor health problem (or making one up entirely), making it out to be way bigger than it really was to get out of having to work, then ended up being prescribed opioids (cause doctors cant find anything wrong with them...so).
I am pretty sure many meet your description . However, I deal with the severely wounded. You just cannot fake such condition.
I have also dealt with many civilians with bad, real bad injuries. Those guys have chronic conditions that require pain killers to cope with pain. Eventually, they go into developing addiction. I have seen one too many sad stories.
Bad stuff, real bad stuff, happen to good people too!
It is a complex problem, many innocent people get caught up in it, but addiction is directly connected to self control and choice.
No, once you are hooked, it is not. Most people requires treatment to deal with addiction.
Very few here understand the biochemistry behind drug addiction. It is difficult to have sympathy for PWID if one is not all that familiar with the pharmacological bases leading to drug abuse.
I fractured my heal in 3 places in November and was prescribed those. I took them for 3 days to deal with the pain. I couldn't crap or function. I stopped taking them and dealt with it.
I had a terrible injury in my twenties semi crippled for two years, gave the hard core pills away after the first 2 weeks.
My grandma is 82 yo. She has been a heavy smoker most part of her life. She has never developed cancer. Does that nullify all the information we have about smoking and cancer? No.
Glad to know you guys could manage without pain killers. There are conditions that cannot be managed without pain killers.
Why are idoits killing themselves on drugs a "public health " problem?
Check this out:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...th-hepatitis-c/
You can also read one of the publications associated with this nurse technician:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25442395

Here you have a relatively recent review on the issue:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23078426


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06-12-2017 03:15 PM  67 days agoPost 27
rcmiket

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For Chris.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/statedeaths.html

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06-12-2017 03:18 PM  67 days agoPost 28
rcmiket

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There are conditions that cannot be managed without pain killers.
What about those who choose to use them for the high? That seems to be the fastest growing segment as far as abuse.

Mike

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06-12-2017 03:35 PM  67 days agoPost 29
EEngineer

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"For Chris.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/statedeaths.html

Mike"

Why does he lie so much....when every thing he posts is always refuted?

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06-12-2017 05:26 PM  67 days agoPost 30
Xterra

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What about those who choose to use them for the high?
I believe those need to be treated too - I am a health professional so I am biased.
That seems to be the fastest growing segment as far as abuse.
Do you have any solid data/source?
I do not have any dependable source on this particular issue; therefore, I cannot comment.
Do you realize that the highest per capita heroin overdoses are in Utah and it is also mostly mormons?
Source? I have trouble believing your statement about Mormons and heroin use. I am not saying is false; I just would like to see a credible source.
I will be more than thankful if you can share a link.


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06-12-2017 08:02 PM  67 days agoPost 31
outhouse

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Why does he lie so much....
Ever met a libtard that did not?

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06-12-2017 08:02 PM  67 days agoPost 32
outhouse

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but addiction is directly connected to self control and choice.
Correct.

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06-12-2017 08:07 PM  67 days agoPost 33
outhouse

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Please post any link that proves that the majority of heroin overdoses are democrats.
“A study published in the American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse found that among heavy drug users, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans was more than 8-to-1.”
Do you realize that the highest per capita heroin overdoses are in Utah
DONT LIE here. Snowflake lies are not acceptable

Heroin/opioid overdose rate by state (2015)

6.9 - Nebraska
8.4 - South Dakota
8.6 - North Dakota
9.4 - Texas
10.3 - Iowa
10.6 - Minnesota
11.3 - California
11.3 - Hawaii
11.8 - Kansas
12.0 - Oregon

12.3 - Mississippi
12.4 - Virginia
12.7 - Georgia
13.7 - New York
13.8 - Arkansas
13.8 - Montana
14.1 - Illinois
14.2 - Idaho
14.7 - Washington
15.4 - Colorado

15.5 - Wisconsin
15.7 - Alabama
15.7 - South Carolina
15.8 - North Carolina
16.0 - Alaska
16.2 - Florida
16.3 - New Jersey
16.4 - Wyoming
16.7 - Vermont
17.9 - Missouri

18.6 - District of Columbia
19.0 - Arizona
19.0 - Louisiana
19.0 - Oklahoma
19.5 - Indiana
20.4 - Michigan
20.4 - Nevada
20.9 - Maryland
21.2 - Maine
22.0 - Delaware

22.1 - Connecticut
22.2 - Tennessee
25.3 - New Mexico
23.4 - Utah
25.7 - Massachusetts
26.3 - Pennsylvania
28.2 - Rhode Island
29.9 - Kentucky
29.9 - Ohio
34.3 - New Hampshire

41.5 - West Virginia

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06-12-2017 08:16 PM  67 days agoPost 34
outhouse

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Do you have any solid data/source?
When one decides to shoot up smack, that is factually someone getting high, and they have become a criminal to do so.

It takes a huge leap in idiocy and lack of intellect to make that cross over to illegal drugs.

Every last one would sell their own mother for a fix once the drug has taken over their lives.

The problem here is not "completely" an injury that leads to subscription pill use to manage pain that addicts people.

It is the choice to go past legal means of pain management.

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06-12-2017 08:53 PM  67 days agoPost 35
Xterra

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“A study published in the American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse found that among heavy drug users, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans was more than 8-to-1.”
Do you have a link to such study?
AJDA is a very so-so journal:
http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/iada20/current
Caution should be used when reading papers from low impact journals. You might find a gem but most often you just find junk.
I have a difficult time believing a researcher would include such information in a study (reps vs dems). I do not think the IRB would have been approved. I also believe that as result of the peer review process the manuscript would have been rejected.
Do you have any solid data/source?
When one decides to shoot up smack, that is factually someone getting high, and they have become a criminal to do so.
It takes a huge leap in idiocy and lack of intellect to make that cross over to illegal drugs.
Every last one would sell their own mother for a fix once the drug has taken over their lives.

The problem here is not "completely" an injury that leads to subscription pill use to manage pain that addicts people.
It is the choice to go past legal means of pain management
This seems to be your opinion, to which you are entitled of course.
I was hoping you could actually post a link to a reputable source.


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06-12-2017 09:08 PM  67 days agoPost 36
RM3

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It is the choice to go past legal means of pain management
I really think that is at the core of the problem... I had a few soldiers that when I pulled aside and spoke to them with "no rank between us"... the're flat out response (most of the time) was "I just dont care"

they reached a point of addiction that if they had just made the right choice before reaching that threshold and stayed the course or sought out help and followed through with what was asked of them by those services, addiction could have been avoided.

My cousin and his wife fell into the same routine, but their issue came about from starting with pot, then steadily graduated to harder drugs. when pot wasnt getting them the high they desired (or in their mind: needed)... they started mixing drugs, adding alcohol, opioids, cocaine... it got so bad that during one episode it left his wife with brain damage and in a wheel chair... later it eventually killed him.

and the sad fact: it all started with a choice.

sometimes I wonder if the ability or rather willpower to abstain from such vices is connected to ones genetics...

look what happened to Native Americans and alcohol abuse...

honestly... it has already been shown in several studies that the brains of democrats and republicans are very much different.... so this must have a connection genetically right?

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06-12-2017 09:38 PM  67 days agoPost 37
Xterra

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honestly... it has already been shown in several studies that the brains of democrats and republicans are very much different.... so this must have a connection genetically right?

Watch at YouTube

(1 minute mark)


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06-12-2017 10:51 PM  67 days agoPost 38
outhouse

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sometimes I wonder if the ability or rather willpower to abstain from such vices is connected to ones genetics...

look what happened to Native Americans and alcohol abuse...
That was genetics

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06-12-2017 10:55 PM  67 days agoPost 39
outhouse

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AJDA is a very so-so journal:
Agreed.

But lest look at the obvious, most minorities are democrats and minorities have a much higher drug abuse problem. All though it is turning heavily into white suburban communities

My point is that it is more then 50/50 I don't think there is an actual number

BUT Felons register as Dems 6-1 that should be eough.

But really DO YOU have anything that goes against my 8-1 junky to democrat ratio?

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06-12-2017 11:44 PM  66 days agoPost 40
Xterra

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Out,
I am a well trained scientist; and therefore, I do not make things up. I do not argue about things I am not well informed. I always back up my statements with reputable sources (well regarded scientific journals -not wiki stuff).
So, to answer your question, I cannot comment on something I am not well informed.
Again, do you have a source? If so, post a link to it. Otherwise, it is just your opinion -everybody has one ......


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