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06-12-2017 03:14 PM  4 months agoPost 21
Xterra

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Here's where you lost all credibility in my eyes.
I agree!


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06-12-2017 04:54 PM  4 months agoPost 22
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Well if you don't think that the government has some role in this, then you are kidding yourself. Where is the Fentanyl coming from? Why is the price such that it is cheaper than heroin and they are using it to increase the potency. Where is the deterrence effort? If China is making this stuff, where is border patrol and customs enforcement. Do they even care? Maybe not, these are throw away citizens. Don't need to pay for rehab or maintenance. No health care, or senior citizen retirement benifits. Lots of reasons to look the other way.

My brother died because he would not take the drugs he had to save his life. He died from a diabetic coma. It matters not the direct cause. It could have been anything. So take that RCMike, your comment is not appreciated or necessary.

Damn, I wonder how you would treat me if I was a democrat. You can take your republican principles. I am a buffet table Republican, I know what I like and the rest is garbage.

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06-12-2017 05:21 PM  4 months agoPost 23
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The Gubermit has put a hell of a lot of of people in jail for making and trafficking that crap. You seem confused about who is responsible. Safe to say drug dealers are not rocket scientists. Everyone should know already, leave that **** alone, and stay away from those folks.

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06-12-2017 05:46 PM  4 months agoPost 24
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So then oh wise sage, Who is responsible?

You put candy in front of a child and they like it, are you responsible. From the beginning of time, people like to put their troubles on hold. Alcoholics are no different.

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06-12-2017 05:54 PM  4 months agoPost 25
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You put candy in front of a child and they like it, are you responsible.
I would think you would blame the dealers then, but you seem to be blaming the Gubermit instead.

Edit: I apologize, it is a tragedy and I am sorry for your loss, and the small point I am attempting to make is, well, small.

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06-12-2017 06:23 PM  4 months agoPost 26
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Yes, I blame the dealers, but what about the supply line?

All the time we controlled Afghanistan and the poppy field flourished. Export of heroin increased, and continues to increase. As they say, follow the money trail. Why is it so difficult? Is this part of the swamp that needs to be drained? There are some very rich people making money off the misery of the poor.

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06-12-2017 09:09 PM  4 months agoPost 27
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^^^^^^^^^

Money talks ..........
Too many sources, too much corruption, too many IDU, etc.
Perfect recipe for disaster.


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06-12-2017 10:22 PM  4 months agoPost 28
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I have heard the easiest place to get the stuff is in prison.

The govt spends billions on the war on drugs, and billions more securing prisons, yet it gets in none the less.

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06-12-2017 11:50 PM  4 months agoPost 29
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^^^^^^^^^^

Reminder, there are federal, state and private correctional facilities all over the States. They are managed very differently. So, blaming one entity (federal goverment) for the failure of all correctional institutions is a stretch to say the least.
Disclosure: I am in no way trying to defend the feds. Merely highlighting the complexity of the issue.


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06-13-2017 01:51 AM  4 months agoPost 30
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Fentany
this thread is the first I can remember hearing of this stuff,, just what is this stuff ??

rcmiket and Heli_Splatter, you two have both been on RR for a very long time now, I would hate to see you two at each other over politicos and beliefs !!

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06-13-2017 02:14 AM  4 months agoPost 31
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Not arguing with him just correcting his misinformation. Misinformation is a terrible thing to spread almost as bad a spreading social diseases.
Both are what liberals do best though.

Mike

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06-13-2017 03:29 PM  4 months agoPost 32
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I have no miss-information. I just do not march to the party line. I have a brain. I can figure out what I like and don't like. I don't let anyone tell me how to think.

The Republicans are not always right, but the democrats are occasionally right. Can't say exactly when that was, but a broken clock is right two times a day.

Think for yourself.

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06-14-2017 04:04 AM  4 months agoPost 33
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so what is this Fentany stuff ??,

I never heard of it

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06-15-2017 12:57 PM  4 months agoPost 34
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Fentanyl has been around for a long time. Often prescribed in trans-dermal pain patches. It is supposedly 50 times stronger than heroin by volume.

They have reported first responder overdoses simply from touching the Fentanyl crystals. It is used for cancer pain relief and other chronic pain relief.

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06-16-2017 03:36 AM  4 months agoPost 35
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They have reported first responder overdoses simply from touching the Fentanyl crystals
probably the home made stuff

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06-16-2017 11:30 AM  4 months agoPost 36
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The stuff is made in foreign drug labs, not like the home made meth amphetamines made in the 2 liter bottles dumped on the side of the road.

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06-16-2017 02:10 PM  4 months agoPost 37
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The stuff is made in foreign drug labs
Just another reason to build a wall and step up border security and while were at it cut off foreign aid.

Mike

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06-16-2017 03:54 PM  4 months agoPost 38
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damn... did we just agree on something?

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06-16-2017 04:25 PM  4 months agoPost 39
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^^^^^^^^^^

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06-17-2017 04:29 PM  4 months agoPost 40
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So then oh wise sage, Who is responsible?

The individual is responsible. That is the bottom line. Today, we try to blame everyone and everything else for our problems, our mistakes, our addictions.

I'm a alcoholic. I have NO ONE but myself to blame for it. My actions, and my actions alone. The Government didn't do it to me, the Marines didn't do it to me, my friends didn't do it to me, I did it to myself. Yes, I have corrected it, but it was a long time coming.

We are a marsh-mellow society. Everything affects us, and its not our fault. Complete and utter garbage!

We don't believe in ourselves any longer, we want someone else to do it for us. We want someone else to take the blame for what we have done.

Why? Because we stopped believing. In ourselves, in our nation, in our families, in our place of worship, on, and on, and on.

The doctor did it, the psychiatrist did it, the police did it, the politicians did. Whatever.

I despise drug dealers....they should all be shot. However, if the sheeple weren't so hungry for this crap, there would be no drug dealers. But human nature is what it is...through out our brief existence.

Take responsibility for your own actions...

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