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06-08-2017 01:59 AM  4 months agoPost 1
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Suicide bombers and gunmen attacked the Iranian parliament and Ayatollah Khomeini's mausoleum in Tehran on Wednesday, killing at least 13 people in an unprecedented assault that Iran's Revolutionary Guards blamed on regional rival Saudi Arabia.

Islamic State claimed responsibility and threatened more attacks against Iran's majority Shi'ite population, seen by the hardline Sunni militants as heretics.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted: "Terror-sponsoring despots threaten to bring the fight to our homeland. Proxies attack what their masters despise most: the seat of democracy."

Attackers dressed as women burst through parliament's main entrance, deputy interior minister Mohammad Hossein Zolfaghari said, according to the Tasnim news agency. One of them detonated a suicide vest, he said.

The powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps accused Riyadh of being behind the attacks and vowed to seek revenge.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...y-idUSKBN18Y0HV

Muslims killing Muslims.

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06-08-2017 03:24 AM  4 months agoPost 2
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Don't they all dress as women over there?.....

And they always seem to be "face down and butts up".....

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06-08-2017 03:50 AM  4 months agoPost 3
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A taste of their own medicine.....

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06-08-2017 07:40 AM  4 months agoPost 4
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A taste of their own medicine.....
you are totally misinformed, I'm afraid.

There is no pleasure in seeing two disparate groups killing each other over some different of interpretation of the same religion. It's tragic and sad.

All this does is escalate the tensions and the violence more.

That's the one interesting thing that the West and those who hold the principles of the West have the hardest time with: the psychology of islam itself. What I mean by this is that you can go on holiday in Iran (or Iraq when it was under Saddam's rule), and most likely than not you'll definitely have a good time. Dare I say it you'll probably fall in love with the country because of the beautiful landscapes and how warm you find these people when they meet you, because let's face it, they're just human beings living the human condition just like everyone else regardless of religion. What the real problem is, is how do you play the game of self delusion that is inherent in religion? islam, for all its faults, has brought a lot of peace and stability to these parts of the world, even though it's conquest of them has been done at the point of the sword and was bloody and violent in the extreme. So the locals are not thinking of going jihad against anyone or anything - they just want to get on with life. The only real problem is when we start interfering with their affairs or impose our own values on them in their own country. They are too set in their ways and it works so why mess them about? Because we have our own agendas, but the nasty thing is that they see our agendas (which is selfish has no religious element to it, like stabilising the country so an oil pipeline can flow) as a threat to islam, and hence jihad is the justifying mechanism.

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06-08-2017 10:25 AM  4 months agoPost 5
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Misinformed my @ss.

No one told Iran to be the number one supplier of arms and explosives to known terrorist groups, or to support the over throw of other Arabic and non-Arabic countries by whatever force necessary: rape, murder, mutilation, plunder, and in general, genocide.

But I guess all of that doesn't matter, right? 'Why can't we all just get along?' In a world of Rainbows and Unicorns, yes, you are correct. But guess what? What goes around, comes around.

Do I like to see innocents murdered? Of course not, who in their right mind does? But I am talking a tyrannical government bent on spreading their type of 'governing' thru whatever means necessary.

So yes, they got a taste of their own medicine. And they F######G choked on it.

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06-08-2017 04:25 PM  4 months agoPost 6
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"What I mean by this is that you can go on holiday in Iran (or Iraq when it was under Saddam's rule), and most likely than not you'll definitely have a good time."

Perhaps if one is a paleontologist.....

I would have said an archeologist, but the extremists are destroying any and all ancient antiquities that they can get their explosives on.

Why, they even want to destroy the Egyptian pyramids....

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06-08-2017 09:20 PM  4 months agoPost 7
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No one told Iran to be the number one supplier of arms and explosives to known terrorist groups, or to support the over throw of other Arabic and non-Arabic countries by whatever force necessary: rape, murder, mutilation, plunder, and in general, genocide.
I wouldn't call them the No. 1 supplier. I have no idea who is keeping any figures on any of this - and who is doing the auditing to make sure that the records are fair. All we know is that it isn't only them that are mixing the pot. We are involved too, and so is Russia. We're just doing it for different reasons - none of them religious.
But I guess all of that doesn't matter, right? 'Why can't we all just get along?' In a world of Rainbows and Unicorns, yes, you are correct. But guess what?
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I never said that. I said to understand the "problem" you have to understand the WHOLE situation. That's involves work and it's pretty difficult. Which is the reason why our politicians and our leftist idiots have these "let say things to make myself feel great" knee jerk reaction to this issue. A lazy and ignorant reaction to only a superficial stream of events we digest from the media.

This articles elaborates the problem of having muslims in Western Society perfectly and should be required reading for EVERYONE if we are to understand what it is that they people bring with them when they settle in the West:

Sharis Law is their Goal

What is really telling about the muslim mindset is the follow excerpt from that article which we should all take great heed at:

In 1990, the 57 member-governments of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (now renamed the Organization of Islamic Cooperation) issued the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam. These representatives of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims took this action precisely because Islam could not be content with the so-called Universal Declaration of Human Rights promulgated in 1948 by the United Nations General Assembly. The latter is incompatible with the two key provisions of the Cairo Declaration: Articles 24, which states: “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari’ah”; and Article 25, which adds: “The Islamic Shari’ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration.”

This tells you that the muslims want the world in their own image. The fact that they cannot define what that image really is (they've been killing each other over it for centuries) does not really matter at all. This tells you the utterly regardless lack of understanding on their part and how they would willingly die for their beliefs and, if not that, would be complicit in harbouring people who commit jihad because their faith allows it, because it's seen as a way to further the faith.
So yes, they got a taste of their own medicine. And they F######G choked on it.
That won't fix our problem. They have been doing this for centuries - and it ain't going to go away any time soon. We will get caught in the cross fire - and I rather say no thanks to that.
What goes around, comes around.
sorry, but that's just not true. You have to think about that one.
Perhaps if one is a paleontologist.....
I would have said an archeologist, but the extremists are destroying any and all ancient antiquities that they can get their explosives on.
Why, they even want to destroy the Egyptian pyramids....
that's just the prejudice inside you taking over. . . Their countries are quite nice to look at and travel in, but ever since this mess we have it's just dangerous as a Westerner to do a little site seeing. These people are just human too, with a very long and ingrained tradition.

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06-08-2017 09:51 PM  4 months agoPost 8
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What goes around, comes around.

sorry, but that's just not true. You have to think about that one.

No I don't.

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06-08-2017 10:07 PM  4 months agoPost 9
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"that's just the prejudice inside you taking over"

Says who?

You?

Are you the sole arbiter of what is prejudice?

You should read what you are posting to see what prejudice is....

What I stated are facts about the destruction of ancient antiquities and aren't subject to your revision.....and what you state is subject to your own particular prejudicial viewpoint/s.

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06-10-2017 11:18 AM  4 months agoPost 10
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No I don't.
then you are totally misinformed. Look at reality. Did the Yazidis do anything to ISIS, and look at the brutal suffering they had to endure. The US and most of the coalition would not be bombing ISIS if it were not for the fact that other powers like Saudi Arabia did not want them encroaching into their territory.

Don't mistake a feeling with and evolved behaviour pattern, specifically reciprocal altruism. The classic example are the vampire bats. In times of scarcity an unsuccessful bat will ask another to regurgitate blood for food, later on that bat will expect the favour to return. There are other examples in observational biology too that favours this strategy, but please don't mistake it for some divine rule because, alas, it is not.

One of the most outspoken critics of islam was a former muslim who now changed his name to Mark A. Gabriel. He started out as a muslim, having to cite the koran, and then got smart and realised what was going on. He was angry that when islam conquered Egypt over 5 million people died in the process - what right did islam had to do that kind of thing. If the religion was "divine" there would be no deaths, yet now most of Egypt is muslim unfortunately, with coptic christians being seriously persecuted.
Says who?
You?
Are you the sole arbiter of what is prejudice?
You should read what you are posting to see what prejudice is....
What I stated are facts about the destruction of ancient antiquities and aren't subject to your revision.....and what you state is subject to your own particular prejudicial viewpoint/s.
Answer me this: how did the muslims managed to get a foothold into Western Society? How?

For most of the 80s and 90s I never thought about them, like most people. It's only when this ruckus came about that we have to start seriously thinking about them.

The facts you posted are correct - but the point is NOT ALL of them are like this. And to make matters worse there are various sects in islam itself with the Ahmadis the most benign of the lot of them. And then there are muslims who see their faith as private matter and do not wish to impose it on anyone.

What I'm trying to say is that islam is Western society poses subtle problems not immediately obvious in regards to us wanting to rid of them,. Here we have either ignorance about it (and the knee jerk reactions or placations accordingly, or even appeasement) or outright prejudice like you have here (all muslims are bad, they destroy everything, they are evil etc. . . as a reaction to terrorist events). What I'm trying to say here is that the latter is JUST as prejudiced as reaction as the former. What needs to be done - and done quickly - is that we find out more about them, read their piece of filth the Queeran, and then see where all this coming from. If we are ALL informed about them we can see and intelligently plan their removal from Western society. We won't be having our police forces acting in strange ways - with some people saying that they are appeasing them. We won't have politicians after terrorists events saying "this is a perversion of islam", we won't be having leftists arguing with us about "this was brought about because of Western intervention" - or any of the other excuses that has been thrown about hundreds of times over.

I am for their removal from Western society having seen the trouble they cause. If we can't have removal then they should have no special treatment in our society at all, so we have to have a way of making any of their threats of violence and death totally - and utterly - impotent, this means that we are free to burn the Queeran and make cartoons and speak openly. If we can't achieve that then there must be a way of moving the general population against them and pressure our politicians and leaders accordingly.

There are two recent incidences that stick to my mind. The first is our cowardly police charging someone with racial aggravation when he filmed himself burning that piece of sh!t book the Queeran. Utterly disgusted at what the police did - but most likely the orders came from the top. The second incident was when the Saudi football team REFUSED to hold the minute silence in remembrance
of the victims of the Manchester bombing. Cultural or no cultural reasons, if they can't value innocent lives then I suppose they shouldn't be around us.

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06-10-2017 03:42 PM  4 months agoPost 11
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"The second incident was when the Saudi football team REFUSED to hold the minute silence in remembrance
of the victims of the Manchester bombing."

I heard about that....on the face of it, it seems bad.

But, consider this...

If people of the UK nearly elected Jeremy Corbyn, a man who has supported ISIS and radical Islamic ideology in the past, then perhaps the Saudis have lost respect for them.

Letting these creatures live amongst them, where the Saudis would have taken these terrorists out and beheaded them literally.

The Saudis realize a threat when they see one, but apparently the UK doesn't anymore.

The Saudis respected T.E. Lawrence, but those days are over.

Electing Corbyn over May is akin to electing Rudolf Hess instead of Neville Chamberlain.....

Complain all you want over ISIS, but their goals are very clear.

But what about the people of the UK now?

Love and peace doesn't stand a chance....so wise up and get real.

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06-10-2017 04:43 PM  4 months agoPost 12
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abyzzfan,
I am curious. Your dissertations are long but very insightful. Much of what you say is meaningful and interesting to me. But, who are you ? There is nothing in your profile to indicate anything thing other than England.
Are you a columnist or writer ?

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-10-2017 05:20 PM  4 months agoPost 13
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"very insightful"

Yes, the "insights" of others...

A peculiar form of "class warfare"....described by Marx and Engels...

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06-10-2017 05:32 PM  4 months agoPost 14
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abyzzfan

I am for their removal from Western society having seen the trouble they cause.
Here's two facts:

1. Hate crimes against Muslims in Germany are at an all time high.

2. Muslims in Germany are going back their home lands in record numbers.

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06-11-2017 05:00 AM  4 months agoPost 15
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Did you see all the idiots defending sharia law today?

Protesting those that feel sharia is against the US Constitution...which it is...

Many of the pro-sharia law idiots were wearing masks and such....so they could riot "incognito".

Typical BS

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06-11-2017 10:21 AM  4 months agoPost 16
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If people of the UK nearly elected Jeremy Corbyn, a man who has supported ISIS and radical Islamic ideology in the past, then perhaps the Saudis have lost respect for them.
Did the people "nearly elected" Corbyn because of his policies - or was it the fact that the other parties were in a mess that it confused the electorate? Corbyn also "bought" the youth vote by promising to axe the tuition fees, that definitely got a lot of young voters out.

I don't really know much of Corbyn's stance on ISIS and "radical islamic ideology" (no such thing really when you think about it), so I need to carefully read what he's done in that regard. But from what I heard he wanted to leave them alone to do what they want, which is an utterly stupid thing to do - disgustingly so if you see what ISIS have done to the Yazidis.
Letting these creatures live amongst them, where the Saudis would have taken these terrorists out and beheaded them literally.
Again you are misinformed. The Saudis can't do that. They are simply not strong enough. They literally rely on the US for their protection - something that they don't really want to admit openly. Like I said if ISIS took a foothold in Saudi Arabia it would just be a matter of time when the whole country was ruled by ISIS and the House of Saud killed off. I have been told that about 15% of Saudis support ISIS, so this is a significant amount which will aid the House of Saud's removal and cause serious problems for them. Why do you think they recently had a arms deal with the US or the UK?

The refugees fleeing the ISIS occupied territories are doing so because they DON'T want to live under ISIS - which, for most of them, is quite ironic. ISIS are the "real" muslims. Despite all their "atrocities" there is nothing that they've done that their filthy prophet didn't do, so they are literally following his example by the book. So these "muslims" fleeing ISIS are, in a way, hypocrites (unless they're Shias which is a slightly different matter). And when some of them arrive in our countries they try to impose the very rules that they fled from - how messed up is that?

For all their posturing and displays I really don't think the House of Saud is religious at all. They are just human beings who want to enjoy life - and have the people under their rule totally subservient, and this game of "islam" works for them. You heard of their princes indulging in fast cars, luxury travel, heavy drinking (maybe some drugs in there too), enjoying the company of non-muslim women etc. . and I even doubt that any of them pray five times a day as required by their book.

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06-11-2017 10:23 AM  4 months agoPost 17
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"very insightful"
Yes, the "insights" of others...
A peculiar form of "class warfare"....described by Marx and Engels...
well, how else do you learn, if not from what others wrote and logical deductions?

I should read Marx and Engels, but I don't have the time at the moment. Trying to go through the entire Mahabharata in 10 volumes.

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06-11-2017 10:40 AM  4 months agoPost 18
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I am curious. Your dissertations are long but very insightful. Much of what you say is meaningful and interesting to me. But, who are you ? There is nothing in your profile to indicate anything thing other than England.
Are you a columnist or writer ?
No, this ain't my field. I'm no writer at all - and the stuff I will eventually write very people would want to read.

I got involved in this because I am sick and tired of what this country is becoming, and I never realised just how completely f@£ked up the looney left is - to say the word incredible is an understatement.

I mean, what the f£@k is this:

gays against sharia march

and you wonder why we have the problems we do? If people can't even define the problem then any discussion becomes a mess. It was the same with the Orlando shooting, afterwards a female muslim wrote an article saying that islam is not against gays at all. When our PM at the time David Cameron was calling out the muslims to be more "British" and against terrorism etc. . it was an idiot female muslims who wrote an open letter to the Guardian explaining her position saying that she felt "persecuted" and "victimised" and that she had the right to her faith etc. . The online comments in the article literally ripped her arguments apart. If you don't believe me, read it for yourself:

Guardian's mulsim woman's response

Now the important point to note here, even though it is obvious, is that BOTH responses to these events trying to defend islam were done by women. (I am almost certain the men won't do it 90% of the time.) This is really ironic because, ahem, women don't have much of a say in islam, they are suppressed most of the time. They can't even see their own idiocy and subjugation under islam and they offer whatever "crap" they have to its defence because that's all they know - to be subservient to an ideology that has literally dominated their entire lives. The fact that the muslim men did not speak out in support of their wives tells you all you need to know - they really don't value what they say much, so why should we? This is the game they are playing to us and it's disgusting.

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1. Hate crimes against Muslims in Germany are at an all time high.
Oh, ain't that a shame. Here's a way to prevent hate crime: don't murder, don't rape, don't demand changes to a country's law to suit your own ways, don't carry out death threats, don't think you're superior to everyone else, don't think Western women are loose and are easy, etc, etc, I could go on. The rest of the population managed to do that, so why the f@£k can't they? WTF is wrong with these people?

Is any of this racism? No, it's a response to what these people have caused in our societies, and we can't take it anymore.
2. Muslims in Germany are going back their home lands in record numbers.
Even better. F$ck off back to their sh£holes and talk sh$t there amongst themselves, and kill each other over the fairy tales because we don't want any of that here thank you very much.

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06-11-2017 03:27 PM  4 months agoPost 20
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"Trying to go through the entire Mahabharata in 10 volumes."

What for?....LMAO

Watson-Watt's writings are much more useful....

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