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06-02-2017 03:26 PM  81 days agoPost 1
Junjun

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Went into a business today, on wall was a flag and a cap with quote. Made me wonder, who would think it's not great now? I always thought we were the best. Y'all seem to think we've declined somehow, I don't.

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06-02-2017 03:39 PM  81 days agoPost 2
ssmith512

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I always thought we were the best
We are the best - relative to the rest of the world.

Doesnt mean we are great.

Best and great can be mutually exclusive. All a matter of point of view.

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06-02-2017 04:52 PM  81 days agoPost 3
EEngineer

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"Y'all seem to think we've declined somehow, I don't."

No?

What about $20 trillion in debt with another ~$100T in unfunded mandates?

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06-02-2017 05:14 PM  81 days agoPost 4
spaceman spiff

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Made me wonder, who would think it's not great now?
Well, for starters, the owner of that shop.

What is the measure of greatness? Depends on you. I know a few great guys. What makes them great in my view is mostly character. Things like integrity, fairness, can do attitude, social intelligence knowing what is worthy fight for and what not to bother with. Sense of humor is a biggee too.

In my opinion we are not great because we have politicians and citizens that do not respect each other, themselves, or the laws of this country.

We are not great because we have a population that largely accepts corruption. "Clinton foundation" for example... The population really doesn't understand how toxic that is to a society.

We have a path to citizenship, everyone on earth knows what it is, yet many of our politicians and citizens don't for some reason.... Hillary even openly used lawlessness to her advantage calling for illegals to vote.

We are not great because the petty nit wits on the hill have not been able to balance a budget in decades. They still are not able or even willing to attempt it. The numbers are terrible, and deadly toxic, but the people entrusted to manage those numbers are worse. This Democracy will end in bankruptcy and lawlessness followed by poverty and dictatorship just like pretty much all of them do. I think it will happen in our lifetime.

In my opinion this country gets a grade of C minus, maybe a D. and I am being charitable because it's a Friday.

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06-02-2017 07:15 PM  81 days agoPost 5
Andy from Sandy

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Which countries do you owe that to and what is the possibility of them calling in that debt?

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06-02-2017 07:29 PM  81 days agoPost 6
EEngineer

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"Which countries do you owe that to "

The USA itself.....

You see....the politicians, both dems and repubs, have discovered that by buying the votes of the uninformed electorate via using the US Treasury to do so.....they can retain their offices in Congress.

Only half of the USA pays any net federal income tax...and those that don't are addicted to the "free" handouts...as if that is their God given right to mooch from the other half.

And, that's only the "half" of it, pardon the pun....

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06-02-2017 07:30 PM  81 days agoPost 7
irocu88

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Y'all seem to think we've declined somehow
We have
I don't.
Then maybe it is possible you are part of the problem.

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06-02-2017 07:32 PM  81 days agoPost 8
EEngineer

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"part of the problem"

I have a $1000 that says you're right....

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06-02-2017 07:43 PM  81 days agoPost 9
irocu88

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"part of the problem"
I have a $1000 that says you're right....
HaHa...I was trying to be polite.

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06-02-2017 07:48 PM  81 days agoPost 10
EEngineer

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You were polite....

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06-02-2017 08:27 PM  81 days agoPost 11
spaceman spiff

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On November 7, 2016, debt held by the public was $14.3 trillion or about 76% of the previous 12 months of GDP).[5][6][7][8] Intragovernmental holdings stood at $5.4 trillion, giving a combined total gross national debt of $19.8 trillion or about 106% of the previous 12 months of GDP.[7] $6.2 trillion or approximately 45% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors, the largest of which were Japan and China at about $1.09 trillion for Japan and $1.06 trillion for China as of December 2016.[9]
I am not sure how the debt owned by China and other countries works, but it probably is similar to public debt, paid back with interest with a maturity date for the agreed interest rate, but can be cashed in early at a lower interest rate.

Some of it is owned by banks. The Fed tried to force feed banks offering interest free money to banks in hopes that they would loan the money out to re-inflate the bubble. What ended up happening is the banks used the money to buy treasuries to get the interest. So ultimately all that happened was the fed loaned money to the treasury and the banks get the interest. Hahahaha.

The great recession was over years ago, but the ecconomy is still on life support.

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06-02-2017 08:45 PM  81 days agoPost 12
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So ultimately all that happened was the fed loaned money to the treasury and the banks get the interest. Hahahaha.
so basically a Ponzi scheme in the making.. and at the Federal Level

wow... our government is really stupid.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-02-2017 08:49 PM  81 days agoPost 13
spaceman spiff

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Yes Sir. Very stupid.

Deregulating banks is a dangerous thing. They will be as wreckless as they can get away with, and when it falls apart we and our kids are the ones holding the giant stinky bags of dogsh!t.

Which of course is another datapoint showing that America is not great.

Loss of integrity and responsibility in banking puts us at risk, and the scallywags are completely free of the consequences of their actions.

You can't teach a crab to walk straight.

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06-02-2017 10:36 PM  81 days agoPost 14
EEngineer

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The Ponzi scheme is to cover their financial corruption....

And Trump scares the heck out of them all. They fear that their lavish corrupt lifestyle might come to an end.

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06-02-2017 11:16 PM  81 days agoPost 15
spaceman spiff

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I think Trump will continue to fix a few of the things that need to be fixed. It will continue to be ugly and noisy. He has the balls to do it, but to fix enough to keep us out of bankruptsy, and maybe make the US great is going to require someone else. Someone who sleeps at the Holiday Inn Express, instead of tweeting all night.

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06-05-2017 04:19 PM  78 days agoPost 16
ChrisC1

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America is great, and anyone that thinks differently just needs to get out.

I have yet to have one person tell me what time in history they want to go back to that was greater than now.

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06-05-2017 04:44 PM  78 days agoPost 17
EEngineer

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"I have yet to have one person tell me what time in history"

Is that so?

Then I'll go first.....

January 21, 2009....in fact, November 2008....

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06-05-2017 04:44 PM  78 days agoPost 18
spaceman spiff

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I made a claim and made a case for it.

I liked the 1990's, Bill Clinton did welfare reform, he got quite a few folks off the couch and back to work. Bill made a logical tactful appeal, and got a lot of support from democrats and republicans for doing a lot more to secure our borders. They could actually discuss and balance a budget, other than Bill Clinton claiming that the internet bubble was the "New Economy",... and a few other less important things, those were OK days. Mostly I liked that liberals had not gone completely insane yet.

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06-06-2017 01:23 AM  78 days agoPost 19
conbones

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yep it was a lot better before obozo was elected what a disaster he was. but i guess we had to have a obozo to get a trump.

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