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05-26-2017 05:44 PM  6 months agoPost 1
Junjun

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Why does it seem that most people on here usually wind up calling names and trying to tear each other down? Has it gotten so bad that people can't talk to each without doing this? Can't we be a little more civil toward each other? Blast away.

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05-26-2017 06:01 PM  6 months agoPost 2
RM3

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Can't we be a little more civil toward each other? Blast away.
well... you said it yourself... "Blast away"

why.. because civility has its place... but when this country is on the verge of tearing itself apart from within by forces lead by a ultra liberal media, politicians, teachers and professors, being civil is not good enough anymore.

this is akin to trying to explain yourself to a cockroach... cockroaches dont care, cant communicate and are motivated by directives that do not fall in line with your standard of living... therefore you poison, stomp, set fire to and generally crush them... because civility does not work.

Being "civil" is what has pretty much put all Europeans in danger and the very reason they suffer terrorist attacks on a monthly basis.

bottom line is simple... civility only works when all parties involved are civil.

I once read somewhere that Jesus Christ was technically a failure... he died because he remained civil (at least thats what we are told)... and it got him killed... then the church spins it into the notion that he died for all our sins... Oh yeah?, so if he did, why do I have to confess, why if we are all forgiven must we still ask for forgiveness?

another answer: Humans are predators... and just like any beast on the planet, civility has no place in terms of survival of the individual, which is the ultimate goal of any living thing. As a matter of fact the most successful living things on this planet are the furthest away from being civil, empathetic, sympathetic, understanding and humble...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-26-2017 06:20 PM  6 months agoPost 3
spaceman spiff

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Always have lots of choices. I prefer to talk about the subject, and occasionally make use of the ignore button. At a certain number folks get booted.

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05-26-2017 06:52 PM  6 months agoPost 4
Mark Ryder

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I prefer to talk about the subject
This is the only long term and friendly solution.

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05-26-2017 08:39 PM  6 months agoPost 5
sjgusmc21

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I agree. But when attacked, I will not just stand by....

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05-26-2017 08:45 PM  6 months agoPost 6
Mark Ryder

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Let me deal with the unfriendly's.

On posts of concern click their Attn:RR link.

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05-26-2017 10:42 PM  6 months agoPost 7
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Junjun

Admiral idea, Junjun.

Maybe we could take baby steps toward civility and see if bridges could be built between the two camps.

Debating about actual political positions instead of arguing about "unnamed sources" might be pleasant for a change.

90% of life is "showing up"

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05-26-2017 11:38 PM  6 months agoPost 8
Junjun

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I know opinions are like butts most folks have one, understand defending it. The name calling part is what I don't get, it's worse than kindergarten class.

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05-26-2017 11:51 PM  6 months agoPost 9
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Reading posts from grown ups acting like 5 years olds is very entertaning.
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05-27-2017 05:14 AM  6 months agoPost 10
outhouse

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Why does it seem that most people on here usually wind up calling names and trying to tear each other down?
people can only deal with so much idiocy, meaning lack of ability to communicate their point effectively.

Once knowledge is not spread and it has stopped cold, the limits of the conversation are over.

In our case it is knowing each other, some for a decade, and knowing what one will say, how, and why ahead of time.

Me personally, if you or anyone says 2 + 2 = 7 they need to be pointed out for the lies and idiocy if not willful ignorance.

Most of the time we are dealing with a lack of education and intellect, and it is frustrating when people refuse credible knowledge.

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05-27-2017 09:27 AM  6 months agoPost 11
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Being "civil" is what has pretty much put all Europeans in danger and the very reason they suffer terrorist attacks on a monthly basis.
bottom line is simple... civility only works when all parties involved are civil.
I once read somewhere that Jesus Christ was technically a failure... he died because he remained civil (at least thats what we are told)... and it got him killed... then the church spins it into the notion that he died for all our sins... Oh yeah?, so if he did, why do I have to confess, why if we are all forgiven must we still ask for forgiveness?
another answer: Humans are predators... and just like any beast on the planet, civility has no place in terms of survival of the individual, which is the ultimate goal of any living thing. As a matter of fact the most successful living things on this planet are the furthest away from being civil, empathetic, sympathetic, understanding and humble...
Absolutely correct.

Unfortunately.

We tried to be civil to the muslims - and where does that get us?

We have apologists and appeasers from the left saying it's because of our foreign policy, or we're bombing them (rather they are bombing themselves and we are asked to help out in the mess), and we should give them what they want or have a dialogue with them.

For a long time I thought some of these people had a point in the last regard but now after thinking about it and reading some historian's take on it I can see it is clearly false. As Mr Thomas Sowell said rather shockingly: If you think human beings are always rational, it becomes impossible to explain at least half of history.

Another lovely quote from Sowell is: Freedom means nothing if it does not mean the freedom to do what other people don't like. Islam seeks to impose standards. morals and code of ethics according to ITS retarded world view - none of which has any logically nor moral basis, just the "because I said so, because it is written here in the queeran" mentality. It is eroding other people's freedom because it demands respect and special treatment when it has NOTHING to offer the world - apart from death, destruction and grievances over illogically, misguided blaming that is neither here nor there. So knowing all this there can only be one and only one reason for this HATE: The ideology in question.

The Yazidis that were killed and some of their women used as sex slaves have done nothing to ISIS in terms of bombing or supporting any foreign policy, so what did they do to deserve this treatment? The uncomfortable truth is that the greater the killings the more irrational the reasons - because there are none to get to this level of hate.

And yet we have that c$cksucker (and I do mean that word, because I am sick and tired of him) Jeremy Corbyn saying we should give in to the terrorists, have dialogue and end the bombings? Do you think that would really work with individuals that just HATE the West and have no real logically reason for their HATE apart from the fact that they just do? ISIS have clearly stated that they hate us because we are not muslim and that we will not submit to the will of their religion, what else does any idiot need to know? ISIS are just a bunch of petulant children who have not grown up and want the world in their own image never realising that the world doesn't owe them a thing. Same with the other monsters in history.

So how do you really deal with them? The proper way is DON'T give them what they want. That is what pi$$es them off the most, it's what fuels their anger and iron resolve to do all these atrocities. They hate themselves so much, and they hate us so much that they are willing to die for their retarded beliefs. Kill them, wipe them out, and make them fear us so they get the message because that's the ONLY message that these idiots understand. None of this leftist apologist appeasement crap. Doesn't work and has never worked if you look at history.

And as for the muslims in the western world we should give them a clear message: respect Western values or just f£$k off. Look at it like having a friendship or a relationship in your personal life. You allow certain people in your life and you remove certain people in your life over the years, for all sorts of reasons, but the underlying thing is that you are probably not getting enough out of it as you should, or some other disparity etc. . why should the West be any different? What stupid multiculturalist, liberal idiot think that all cultures are the same or that it's even beneficial to get to that level of having all cultures in the country? And why all this "multicultural" society thing spoken as something to be proud of because it makes you warm and fuzzy inside? I'm sick and tired of these retards of the left.

You know as outhouse will tell you muslims have been killing muslims for centuries. They do it because of their retarded ideology - there's no other reason. If they learned to leave islam behind then they might, just might, have a chance of civility as Junjun is asking for here. They might learn to understand how beautiful and wonderful the world is, and how wonderful all this technological progress that is happening is, and all the wonderful things that mankind has done and is going to do, instead of reading and memorising some ancient retarded texts founded by a monster.

And before anyone asks me, no this is not my field. I had to be interested in all this because of the problems we are facing with them, and I'm sick and tired of it. I rather live a quiet life, have a large house, do the stuff I want in my life, keep myself to myself for the most part, learn about the great Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist works as a cultural thing, and go and visit all sorts of countries round the world to see different cultures. I've visited the Maldives twice, but now I've vowed never to return until it reverts back to Buddhism. I have no real interest in visiting a muslim dominated country, they've hurt us too much and they've produced too many monsters for my liking.

And just one thing Junjun: civility is the EXCEPTION not the rule. Only the clued up can be civil because they have been through the experience that the other options are counterproductive or lead to complications that would bite them in the future. However in dealing with retarded idiots, well name calling, making fun of them etc. . why not? They can't think, so why should WE have to think for them? You can only correct the misguided if they are willing to think.

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05-27-2017 12:59 PM  6 months agoPost 12
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^^^ yep. I am so tired of hearing that things like Trumps travel ban etc. inflame the muslims. No it doesn't. They're BORN inflamed. It's who they are. It's WHAT they are.

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05-27-2017 04:16 PM  6 months agoPost 13
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Mark, you are so full of S H I T. the guys around here do not behave like 5 year olds. five year olds are incapable of the racism and hate that is spewed around here. it's obvious to me and a lot of other people that you agree with most of what is said, and that's why it is allowed, if not encouraged. Just read what the intellectual giant FHB says in his latest rant - that somehow terrorism is innate in certain people. sounds like some of the crap that came out of the south to justify their treatment of blacks. you and your trump buddies can pat each other on the back that you finally got one of your own in office, but I don't think the party is going to last long.

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05-27-2017 04:27 PM  6 months agoPost 14
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koppter

Mark, you are so full of S H I T.
Well, the experiment on civility didn't last long.

90% of life is "showing up"

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05-27-2017 05:23 PM  6 months agoPost 15
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"you and your trump buddies"

Are you afraid that you might have to pay for your own lifestyle for a change?

Who do you think will pay for your form of communism? Your fellow communists?

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05-27-2017 05:35 PM  6 months agoPost 16
Mark Ryder

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koppter

This is not about moderating the subject matter. It's about unfriendly behavior. Debate the subject matter. Chastising the sender is UNFRIENDLY.

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05-27-2017 06:15 PM  6 months agoPost 17
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05-27-2017 07:04 PM  6 months agoPost 18
dilberteinstein

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spaceman spiff

90% of life is "showing up"

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05-27-2017 07:30 PM  6 months agoPost 19
abyzzfan

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Mark, you are so full of S H I T. the guys around here do not behave like 5 year olds. five year olds are incapable of the racism and hate that is spewed around here. it's obvious to me and a lot of other people that you agree with most of what is said, and that's why it is allowed, if not encouraged.
I would seriously disagree with that. Last time I heard 5 year olds can be taught to hate - ask any psychologist.

I do not know what Mark's position on any of this is and that is his business and his alone. Trying to force or tell people what to think doesn't work as you should know, all you can do is to show the errors of their thinking and let them decide for themselves whether their views have any validity.

You are accusing him of bias, but when you think about it carefully we are all "biased" to a certain extent, even the historical records that we have are reported in a "biased" way, no matter how anyone likes to think otherwise. So what do you do? Claim everyone is talking nonsense and therefore liars? In that case what does it say about your views?
Just read what the intellectual giant FHB says in his latest rant - that somehow terrorism is innate in certain people. sounds like some of the crap that came out of the south to justify their treatment of blacks. you and your trump buddies can pat each other on the back that you finally got one of your own in office, but I don't think the party is going to last long.
I don't think he did actually. He said that they were inflamed, probably because from birth (in reference to the islamic text that have been literally forced feed down their throats) they get the smug feeling that they are special and anyone else not of their persuasion are inferior and of no worth in the eyes of their retarded god. And if you even bother to read the retarded quran you will see where ALL of this is coming from.

You have no credibility: you are crying racism. We aren't even discussing race here at all, so what's your problem? Why are you making it an issue about race?

If you want credibility read the quran and come back to me. And read it carefully and properly and see if you can join the dots like all the clued up people like outhouse have.

In FHB defence it's simple: we don't talk about the Buddhists, or the Hindus, or the Sikhs, or the Amish etc. . . Why ARE are talking about the muslims? Why? His is not an irrational reaction, it's a reaction to something, some concept that you build up after seeing things happen time and time again and he's getting sick and tired of it. Sometimes our immediately reactions or the reactions to what we see around us are "correct", even though we might not be able to properly articulate them or find the source.

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05-27-2017 07:50 PM  6 months agoPost 20
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Civility has no place in todays world...

This is an older mindset. It has no place in the land of "ME". Why should it???!!! I'm the only one that matters! Who cares what your opinion is???!!! If your not the opposite sex you have no real intrinsic worth to me, right???!!! Isn't it just survival of the fittest out there anyways? You are just in my way and taking up my space, water, food, air. Why should I protect you? Welcome to what teaching evolution has really done. If you only teach one side you will only get THAT side. Teach them together, let man make up his own mind about it and you will teach the world to be open minded. Teach only one side and it will never be. Sadly, with out both sides, there is no objectivity, no open mindedness. No way to extend this thought process and open mindedly discern truth. It will end up as somebodies spouted opinion. The real truth will only ever be discerned by seeing how it applies to ALL of man, not just the person stating. Man MUST BE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE EITHER WAY, to the good or bad of it. There is no middle road. Reality says" there is the truth and there is MAN'S perspective of the truth. You need open mindedness and objectivity to discern which is which.

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