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05-19-2017 05:16 PM  4 months agoPost 1
TMoore

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngo...t/#17fdc7cc4238

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05-19-2017 05:42 PM  4 months agoPost 2
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Awesome!

Thanks for sharing.

  

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05-19-2017 05:54 PM  4 months agoPost 3
chopper37

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Nice find,thanks for posting

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05-19-2017 06:13 PM  4 months agoPost 4
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AMA never got behind this lawsuit for fear of alienating the FAA or so it would seem. I never understood that approach but at this point it doesn't matter. Registration is over.

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05-19-2017 06:16 PM  4 months agoPost 5
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Awesome. Thanks for the Article Terry.

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05-19-2017 06:22 PM  4 months agoPost 6
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This also means as far as I can tell that the FAA regs concerning proximity to airports, that stupid Ipad App and the other arcane rules they laid down are null and void since that was all part of the FAA Registration. Essentially we go back to using good practices and fly under the AMA Safety Code as always.

Now what FAA has to do is to get off their collective asses and start controlling importation of the GPS enabled Multirotor appliances as they should have done in the beginning. Stabilized multirotors that were expressly designed to be flown with FPV and beyond VLOS were the core problem that was never addressed by Registration.

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05-19-2017 06:45 PM  4 months agoPost 7
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Awesome.....thanks for the post....

To quote the 1st paragraph.....

"In a stunning David versus Goliath case, John A. Taylor, a model aircraft enthusiast and insurance lawyer, beat the Federal Aviation Administration and Department of Justice in a case challenging the legality of a December 2015 FAA rule requiring model aircraft to register like manned aircraft. The Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that the FAA's registration rule, as it applies to model aircraft, "directly violates [a] clear statutory prohibition.".

All hail John A. Taylor.....

And I agree that the AMA didn't want to "fight" too hard....if much at all....

I wonder how the AMA will "spin" this news?

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05-19-2017 06:51 PM  4 months agoPost 8
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Not to be too cynical, but....

Since this decision was made by the DC "court of appeals", will the FAA appeal this decision?

To the Supreme Court of the USA? Will this be one of the issues that the new Justice Gorsuch will rule on along with the other 8?

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05-19-2017 06:59 PM  4 months agoPost 9
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I want my 5 dollars.

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05-19-2017 07:22 PM  4 months agoPost 10
ssmith512

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Sweet! My hold out on not registering has "paid" off.

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05-19-2017 07:27 PM  4 months agoPost 11
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This also means as far as I can tell that the FAA regs concerning proximity to airports, that stupid Ipad App and the other arcane rules they laid down are null and void since that was all part of the FAA Registration.
Public Law sec.336(5)/part 101.41(e) notify airport & ATC within 5 mile radius still in effect & AC 91-57 is current too

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary...r/AC_91-57A.pdf

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05-19-2017 07:32 PM  4 months agoPost 12
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Your words have no meaning anymore....

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05-19-2017 07:40 PM  4 months agoPost 13
TMoore

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I knew Revmix would have to chime in here. Advisories aren't laws. Let's see what happens now that the registration requirements are nullified.

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05-19-2017 07:41 PM  4 months agoPost 14
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r/c activity law ain't canceled
sec.336 still in force

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05-19-2017 07:41 PM  4 months agoPost 15
TMoore

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Who says, you?

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05-19-2017 07:43 PM  4 months agoPost 16
revmix

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Who says,
Public Law sec336(a)(1)(2)(3)(4)(5), (b), (c)(1)(2)(3)
also 14 CFR 101.41
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...e=14:2.0.1.3.15

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05-19-2017 07:44 PM  4 months agoPost 17
ssmith512

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Dont hate me, but I am pretty sure Sec 336 remains in full effect. Only the registration requirement portion, that falls under Sec 336, was voided.

BUT, I did NOT stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I could be very wrong.

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05-19-2017 07:49 PM  4 months agoPost 18
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I'm convinced more and more that Rev is an FAA shill. This is the thing about interpretation, it's just that; interpretation. The FAA's interpretation of 336 wasn't valid as per the ruling just handed down so what makes anyone think that their interpretations regarding anything else is valid either? Their Ipad app determined that airports existed when there were none so they in effect tried to lock down just about as much airspace as they could which was wrong.
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).
The FAA convinced airport operators of their omnipotence and it will now revert back to notification only and not constant asking for permission.

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05-19-2017 07:50 PM  4 months agoPost 19
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What I do know is that now.......

Watch at YouTube

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05-19-2017 07:54 PM  4 months agoPost 20
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There is also an AMA petition right behind that that might be able to make further inroads into this poor attempt at controlling Multirotor use in the US but as always we'll have to listen to Rev until such time as I put him on my ignore list once again.

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