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05-07-2017 03:27 PM  3 months agoPost 1
icanfly

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title almost quoted in entirety from Mark out of some other post about the site closing to appease a certain spousal dispute, it is now my opportunity to disclose that my Hirobo Shuttle you see in my gallery had turned into an experimental heli when I modified the swash to a standard 120° type, and also changed all the hardware to TITANIUM. Every nook and cranny has the lightweight non rusto ti, and I added aluminum where non structural components were fastened.

This guy supplied me with many of m3 and m2.5 fasteners as well as other ti nuts and bolts for bicycles and custom motorbikes I'm building,,

http://www.torontocycles.com/

this aspect of titanium on a heli has been kept quiet for all this time and I would have liked to disclose the fact of my helis on HF primarily since the members seem to be of an advanced ability intellect. On that matter RR has been the better choice, quiet at that, still the better choice since there is only one moderator.

Speaking of a difference between RR and other sites it's really messy when you have superior minds entering a forum where certain moderators don't take a shine to aggressive challenging. I challenged some status quo on hf and was tossed for life after establishing some friendships and contacts. It's now depressing that when RR shuts down I won't have the references established here during the span of time spent involved in whatever was of interest at the time. When I say Superior minds I MEAN IT. I was designing things years before established professionals got a chance to explore possibilities and also at the level of even NASA, folks, my blades as a minute example. The one's you see in my gallery are not a final but part of an evolution to something you will not be demonstrated to for awhile still (money issues).

Before RR closes it's presence I'm telling you that on a certain 700 Align product I switched over to ALL TITANIUM fasteners I saved 3 oz of weight at a cost of about $2 to $3 a gram. I even was in the process of changing the main shaft and feathering shaft to titanium until hollow high carbon steel matched the weight at a far less expense, same goes for other industries like the one tocycles sells to, tell him icanfly sent you.

The all up reduction in weight by percent amounts to 5% +/-, not earth shattering, ti looks slick and anodized aluminum even better, and heckers he anodizes titanium as well, jeesh.

ALL my helis have some ti of one sort or another, and I giggle no one in years has stepped to the fore to tell the world what can and has been done, and I expect the nay sayers to take about two to ten years to finally be convinced, so to you who catch on right away, kudos.

To all who enjoyed my participation thanks, to those who put me on ignore, there are kooks everywhere, you have to be of an open mind to progress, some people are stuck in a rut for the rest of their live's.

What alternatives to RR are there going to be in future? well I certainly won't be re-posting all my photos and talking about the same topics in any other website, it's just been too much valuable time invested in rr to be enthusiastic to do it all over again.

FYI, learning to fly an rc heli has been a tool to help rebuild a brain from severe brain damage, one reason people thought my form of writing was INCOHERENT, it was, but I'm a jerk sometimes and wanted to throw you all off the trail at times, my best friend is the father in heaven, everyone else can smell their own dirty underwear so I could care not one iota what other men think, it's nice but not definite, grown men can be infantile and "toys" attract the type.

Good luck all, Mark, (pray for your wife to have wisdom as to what she does that is harmful and ask that she gains understanding) I don't know the intricacies of the matter behind your personal affairs leading to the demise of a web site you've worked hard on to establish and build, "llc" would have protected us from it's uncertain fate.

so go try some ti on your heli, even my os32 is bolted together almost entirely with TITANIUM, and I wish I could go all the way with the metal in ways only imagined, cost a zillion I ain't got however (not entirely worth it besides, you ready to pay me $10k to custom design and build you a very special rc "toy"? some might matter of fact). I've cross prototyped a revised version of a sab420 using a d380, people don't know. It would be considered a total "ORIGINAL" by everyone's standards, who'da known.

as far as rr shutting down is concerned, WHATTA WASTE.

see ya'll, and all I gotta do to get back on HF is go to my other comp and sign up, go to a proxy server, or all of the above, just won't do anything but buy off the classifieds, all else is at risk of TowPilot destroying good online conversations, since when have grown men always agree'd. Get educated folks, the world is not stagnant.

Welcome to the EVOLUTION. Since getting involved in rc helis I got rid of things that affected my mind in ways not thought possible, ATTITUDE. guns, coffee, alcohol, other things too that were ohh so sublime yet packed with a punch of nastiness to intellect in the head, factually, it's hard to esplain until you actually get rid of them completely for yourself. You'll be wiser for it, much, and spiritually stronger as well.

There it is, news of an all titanium heli shared NOT on HF but here on a soon closing RR, there ya go Mark, an essential service as alternative to hierarchical attitudes prevailing on other sites.

Glad you gave me the op to speak my mind, thanks.

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05-07-2017 05:52 PM  3 months agoPost 2
Richardmid1

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Be careful with Titanium, it comes in many grades and most isn't much stronger than aluminium and nowhere near as strong as high tensile steel. I would only use aerospace grade on a heli and that would cost way too much $$$ for the minute weight saving.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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05-07-2017 08:57 PM  3 months agoPost 3
icanfly

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grade 5

sumoffabich I didn't see the red and black anodized Takumi heli chassis on the tocycles site until just a second ago, Yuri K the builder of Takumi buys ti off him also.

Me and TI, I have it EVERYWHERE on my Shuttle, and in as many places as will allow on all my other helis. Did take it off my Align700dfc because I got a dfc'd 700e to take its place (a step backward but who cares when I need lipos for them). I've made up all ti bicycles almost twenty years ago and know instinctively what works and what does not.

Above it all, you no likey, go back.

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05-08-2017 12:17 AM  3 months agoPost 4
ant_mb

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a tool to help rebuild a brain from severe brain damage
Really??? You probably have everyone here fooled!

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05-08-2017 12:41 AM  3 months agoPost 5
icanfly

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and they all fall for it, kids stuff.

Right this instant I am chowing down on a peanut butter sandwich, not just any plain peanut butter sandwich but one dedicated to all things in the name of space exploration, a taste zinger peanut butter sandwich (minus those exploding in your mouth candies, I don't eat candy much anyway).

My recipe for a crazy peanut butter sandwich is to begin with a 12 grain bread. Spread one slice on one side with honey, the opposing slice with butter. Then slather on a smearing of peanut butter with crunchy bits of peanuts on both sides on top of the honey and the butter, add chopped walnuts, pecans, almonds, etc if desired. Now, you smear regular strawberry, raspberry, blueberry, whateverberry jam on one slice only. Then, and only then with a tub of whipped cake topping, do you smear a layer of that stuff on the opposing slice, not done yet. Go get a BANANA, yeah we're going bananas here for the fun of it, now slice them into half inch or so slices and put them covering one slice smeared with the other suggested ingredients and fold the other slice onto it,

season to taste and chow in, enjoy, lol, toss a slice of icecream on top or between the slices, wow, goodbye.

Really I should have been busy writing a story for someone real but online patronage and rc helis are more important, da?

I'll call it the "Fat, Rich, and Fugly Peanutbutter Samich",,,,,yeah. I don't remember eating it already, think another one is on the brew as we speak, gaaaaaaaaaaad.

lol.

Vengeance is Mine sayeth the Lord.

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05-08-2017 11:22 AM  3 months agoPost 6
Richardmid1

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Titanium, forum moderators, Mark Ryder, RR vs HF, NASA, prototype SAB heli! Then this out of the blue:
and they all fall for it, kids stuff.
Right this instant I am chowing down on a peanut butter sandwich, not just any plain peanut butter sandwich but one dedicated to all things in the name of space exploration, a taste zinger peanut butter sandwich (minus those exploding in your mouth candies, I don't eat candy much anyway).
My recipe for a crazy peanut butter sandwich is to begin with a 12 grain bread. Spread one slice on one side with honey, the opposing slice with butter. Then slather on a smearing of peanut butter with crunchy bits of peanuts on both sides on top of the honey and the butter, add chopped walnuts, pecans, almonds, etc if desired. Now, you smear regular strawberry, raspberry, blueberry, whateverberry jam on one slice only. Then, and only then with a tub of whipped cake topping, do you smear a layer of that stuff on the opposing slice, not done yet. Go get a BANANA, yeah we're going bananas here for the fun of it, now slice them into half inch or so slices and put them covering one slice smeared with the other suggested ingredients and fold the other slice onto it,
season to taste and chow in, enjoy, lol, toss a slice of icecream on top or between the slices, wow, goodbye.
Really I should have been busy writing a story for someone real but online patronage and rc helis are more important, da?
I'll call it the "Fat, Rich, and Fugly Peanutbutter Samich",,,,,yeah. I don't remember eating it already, think another one is on the brew as we speak, gaaaaaaaaaaad.
lol.
Vengeance is Mine sayeth the Lord.
You don't have to share everything that comes into your head! It confuses people and people won't reply.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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05-08-2017 12:00 PM  3 months agoPost 7
icanfly

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Sure it should have been titled "Let me get a few things of my chest before rr shuts down", "Life's a Bitch" was better.

__________________________________________________________

Fantastic a buddy from skateboarding back in the late 70's linked a video of skateboarding at a park 1979 which included a pool type bowl and half pipe. Opening frames included a board I did the artwork on of a Pterodactyl, talk about "original". I just saw the vid at the end of the day, totally stunned my art was in the vid and how rad the piece was, utterly forgotten, what a moral booster.

__________________________________________________________

So yes the topic could have been kalled lots of other things, "KILLER" being one of them, short for Killarny aka mayhem, bs, trouble, war, like that.

when things and some people are beating you down hard you need to reach for something that makes you rise ABOVE IT ALL, "Above it All" being another title for this topic, so many other fitting titles it hurts.

Title so named and content written as to tell all in sum such way, those who doubt go eat crow.

rr closing is depressing news so might as well get it all in while the chance still exists.

I visit the tocycles shop in person, regularly. how nuts is that, very.

Regarding the title, in my case the reverse of the title is more true, First you ti, then you tell everyone.

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05-08-2017 11:20 PM  3 months agoPost 8
cdrking

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Sometimes I think his "cheez done slid off his cracker"

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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05-09-2017 01:25 AM  3 months agoPost 9
conbones

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panama city beach FL

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yet still manages to be entertaining. It is his thread and im not sure if he has gone off topic yet. what do you think icanfly?

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

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05-09-2017 01:57 AM  3 months agoPost 10
RyanW

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I giggle no one in years has stepped to the fore to tell the world what can and has been done
We used titanium MANY years ago. I used titanium over fifteen years ago and many other people used it well before I did. You might be unique, but you are not original.

For most applications, "off the shelf" titanium is horrible on an r/c helicopter. I have gone through thousands of dollars of machines testing titanium components. On a nitro heli it is 100% a no-no. IF you have access to special alloys and customize it specifically for a function, then okay, you may have something. However most of those components can be replaced with aluminum, carbon or polymer- all of which are lighter than titanium.

Not to rain on your parade, but there is a reason why most of us use what we use. We have been there, done that.

-Ryan
Mikado USA, Kontronik, Opti-Power, MKS Servos

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05-09-2017 03:03 AM  3 months agoPost 11
Gearhead

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Really??? You probably have everyone here fooled!
Sometimes I think his "cheez done slid off his cracker
I think I have figured him out, he's FOO, all growd up

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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05-09-2017 03:04 AM  3 months agoPost 12
RM3

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I used grade 5 to make a mainshaft and engine parts...

the lesson learned: not worth the expense for 1 or 2 oz saved.

money and hassle can be better spent on high strength aluminum, CF and design though out over Ti with much better gains.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-09-2017 04:13 AM  3 months agoPost 13
icanfly

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well put and what I was alluding to earlier however ti nuts and bolts are still superior over the other options and are used together often.

The heaviest items on a heli are the motor, lipo, and aluminum components and servos, those are what they are and are left unchanged. The quad racer world thrives on aluminum anodized screws to hold their machines together, I know ti is good for a heli. Case in point my grip bolts are all ti all the time.

Something about hardware of 15 years ago, my experience goes back another 5 years and I've heard quite a few stories.

One thing about the 380/420 alz main shaft upgrade to collar type, it's thinner and lighter than a ti one that's a solid rod and because the owb drives the main shaft on it's shank ti wouldn't work too good there.

I've watched a few persons ask about ti over the years and no one stepped in to say HOORAY go for it, I use ti in all my helis. I do with great success, a ti item has to be engineered when it is used structurally. Nuts and bolts are all we can concern ourselves with here and now.

I've even discovered a proper way to cut through ti without a machining bit getting buggered up quickly.

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05-09-2017 04:01 PM  3 months agoPost 14
raholek

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Titanium bits

Ralph with FBL rotors has Ti links and parts for helis. I have them on my Synergy N7.

www.redstickrc.net ama#: 968515

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05-09-2017 06:48 PM  3 months agoPost 15
EEngineer

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I also use Ti turnbuckles...both FBL Rotors and Lunsford Racing...

Makes rotor head setup much easier and more precise....

I spoke with a tech rep at Lunsford and he explained that the steel links at 2mm and below are stronger than Ti...

Which is the reason why Lunsford doesn't make TB's below 3mm in diameter.

Logo 600SXs, 700XX, 800XX

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05-09-2017 08:16 PM  3 months agoPost 16
Brian Bennett

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Tell me more about the sandwich! Is there a fried variant?

Team MRC-Hirobo and Model Avionics Rep

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05-09-2017 08:20 PM  3 months agoPost 17
icanfly

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problem with turbuckles for a 450 are the threads being of a m1.5 variety or less making them breakable in a crash rather than bending like steel. The ti tb's I use on my 450 pro are between the servo arms and swash only (helioption ones). If I could get a true m2 thread (like those on bicycle spokes) on a 450 swash to grip arm tb that would be better than what is offered right now. again engineered for a little more strength than outright weight reduction.

It's important to make sure the allen driver won't strip a ti bolt head on tiny bolts, making sure the driver is as snug in the hex hole as can be. I slot my os head bolts with a hack saw just to the bottom of the hex hole so I can still get them in and out without freaking stripping one and going through much trouble to drill it out. Some people use a torx bit to gain maximum hold. I've talked to the tocycles owner about bolts with too little depth to the allen head, on the small 2.5mm bolts for instance.

Anybody like German made Torx at 5 times allen head prices? lol,

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05-09-2017 08:23 PM  3 months agoPost 18
bunnywithdrum

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It IS FOO !!!! Got To Be !

:D:D

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05-09-2017 08:34 PM  3 months agoPost 19
EEngineer

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"Anybody like German made Torx at 5 times allen head prices?"

I do.....at least they now how to design a proper driver.

All allen head bolts are not the same...

And if you fubar the bolt by mistakenly using the wrong driver, how much is the proper driver worth then?....

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05-09-2017 08:38 PM  3 months agoPost 20
ssmith512

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I used vibranium on my old Synergy N9 a few years ago. Really helped the tail gyro. I could hard mount it without any foam tape.

Steve

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