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05-05-2017 12:01 PM  7 months agoPost 1
Heli_Splatter

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I certainly did not support bummer, but allowing people with pre-existing conditions get health insurance is a huge gain for everyone in the United States. The problem was getting the twenty and thirty somethings to participate. The penalty simply was not stiff enough.

At some point in your life a hospital bill is going to put your financial security at risk. You should not have to loose everything to be treated. This country needs to take on the hospital and phamecutical industries. At the same time the huge lawsuit awards need to end. 20 million dollars for the death of a youth is beyond pale.

We need to stop speeding so much on some and so little on others. Is a million dollar heart transplant really cost effective?

Then of course, the one thing we can all agree on, our congressmen don't need to be clucking and singing because they "won" some battle taking away the rights of citizens to health care. It is disgusting.

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05-05-2017 04:04 PM  7 months agoPost 2
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The house of representatives did not even wait for a cost analysis to be completed. Full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes.

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05-05-2017 05:16 PM  7 months agoPost 3
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Did anybody say "we have to pass this repeal to find out what's in it?".

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05-05-2017 06:14 PM  7 months agoPost 4
RM3

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but allowing people with pre-existing conditions get health insurance is a huge gain for everyone in the United States.
the problem with this is that it is ripe for abuse...

diabetics, addicts, obesity and other "problems" are very often self inflicted.

why Should I pay for an Adrenalin junkies motorcycle misadventure?

is it fair that I pay for some fat slobs gastric bypass surgery cause they couldnt hook up the hitch to pull that F$%ker away from the buffet table?

is it fair that I pay for that new liver on a known drinker. how bout the 70 year old with cancer that has no hope of ever paying so much as a tenth of the expense back into the system. yeah it sucks... but thats life, we cant afford to pay everyone else's medical bills.

And everybody wants to rape your wallet upon entering a hospital... ever been to the emergency room?... wait for the bills 2 months later... you get bills from people all over the region, one from the hospital, one from the x-ray analyst, one from the pathogen analyst out of town, another from a "review" agency, another from the ambulance service, another from the dispatching office, then the $10 each aspirins from the bookie down stairs, another from the PA that walked by your room to say whats up...on and on.

..only to tell you "well we dont know whats wrong with you"

to make matters worse, Pharmaceutical companies love making pills that take care of symptoms ( and they make pills to take care of those of side effect of other pills too BTW)... they dont care for cures...cures dont make money. but "happy pills" do (dont mind the diarrhea). and lawyers love medical malpractice suits, they get rich and the resulting effect is the doctor charges more to cover such risks.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-05-2017 06:45 PM  7 months agoPost 5
utahbob

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Well said RM

That thing had to go..it might take some time but a better system is possible.

I do a great decending funnel!

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05-05-2017 09:36 PM  7 months agoPost 6
Heli_Splatter

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You seem to have missed specifying cigarettes. Anyone that ever smoked should pay for their own lung cancer cure. They knew smoking could be dangerous.

Anyone that ever got hurt during a sporting event should pay their own medical expenses. They did not have to play a dangerous sport.

Eating beef can cause heart disease, if you eat animal fat you should have to pay your own medical expenses.

If your mother had ovarian or breast cancer, we should not have to pay for your wife's cancer expenses.

I think you get my point.
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Read This: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/opini...ello/index.html

Find some compassion in your heart.
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05-05-2017 11:52 PM  7 months agoPost 7
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Partial List of Uninsurable Pre-existing Conditions

This is only a partial list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/healt...trnd/index.html

Should be something on that list for everyone to worry about.

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05-06-2017 01:32 AM  7 months agoPost 8
baby uh1

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Quit using the left's BS names for things. Pre-existing conditions are not insurable because you buy insurance for things that haven't happened yet. If they want to provide health care to people that wouldn't buy insurance before they got sick, that is called welfare.
If the government wants to provide that then find the money in the budget don't try to make private companies pay for other's poor planning or try to sneak tax the rest of us by making our health insurance not affordable.

Would you sell insurance on a boat that has already sank?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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05-06-2017 04:05 AM  7 months agoPost 9
RM3

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Pre-existing conditions are not insurable because you buy insurance for things that haven't happened yet
hence the whole point of insurance... to pay for the things that are unexpected.

if you already have a problem, then you pay for the problem you have... not the responsibility of everyone else that doesnt share your problem.

this is why our medical visits are so freaking expensive... we are paying for everyone else's problems who happen to not pay their own way..
If they want to provide health care to people that wouldn't buy insurance before they got sick, that is called welfare.
bingo! and therefore its just another form of control (read rules for radicals)

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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05-06-2017 11:11 AM  7 months agoPost 10
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Loose Your Job Loose Your Health Insurance

Loose your job loose your health insurance. People loose their health insurance for a variety of reasons. Not all of them are self inflicted or cheating the system. Then there are things like life time max.

People... bad things do happen to good people. A simple slip and fall can be a tipping point and start the slide to medically induced poverty. Everyone gets sick as they get older. Wait until they want to cancel your insurance.

What about all those Milenials cheating the system. Every time they show up at the emergency room, they are cheating all of us. They have money to party, but not to be responsible.

I lost my health insurance of many years when ACA was enacted. United Healthcare just up and left Maryland. I had to buy from the Maryland exchange. Now I am concerned about what happens this time around. I have paid all these years without claim. It could be a wait for years for Medicare.

This is not a democrat vs. republican issue.

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05-06-2017 01:03 PM  7 months agoPost 11
baby uh1

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I lost my health insurance of many years when ACA was enacted.
And there you have it, When the government gets involved things only get worse. That is why healthcare is so expensive now. The government has proven that it can not manage anything efficiently and it's programs are always full of fraud.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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05-06-2017 02:58 PM  7 months agoPost 12
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As disagreeable as you two have been discussing this topic, I really hope that you never have to deal with cancer or your wives cancer, nor a disabled child. I hope you never come down with ALS, MS, Alzheimers or dementia. There are so many chronic diseases that you have no control over. It is the luck of the draw.

The goal should be to find a solution for American healthcare, not win a vote on the floor of the house. We have to do this together, everyone paying their fair share.

I hope that the senate will be far more deliberative than the house. I don't want to pay higher premiums for healthcare. I have seen my doctor one time in the last year, I write the check every month.

"Webb said Maryland is the only state whose insurers have set their rates for 2018 and they'll be raising premiums by 15 percent to 22 percent. "That may give you a first early indication of what we'll see. Rates will rise even more because of the annual increase in medical costs," Webb told NBC News." The rest of the insurers will wait until July after the legislation is sorted.

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05-07-2017 12:43 AM  7 months agoPost 13
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^^^

I am with Heli on this one. However, I understand RM3 and baby's point. Not an easy solution at all. This is a tricky thing.

PS.I see patients on the regular basis and there are some sad, real sad stories out there. Bad things happen to good people too.


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05-07-2017 03:34 AM  7 months agoPost 14
baby uh1

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I'd like to see a solution to this problem but I don't want to see what amounts to taxation without representation because they hide the costs in a commodity and then force us to buy it.

If you want a new welfare program, introduce it and then face the voters with the truth.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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05-07-2017 04:09 AM  7 months agoPost 15
RM3

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And thats the rub... there is no 1 stop fix to this solution. those that are healthy can afford an insurance based on the fact that they dont have a pre-existing condition... therefore they are truely buying "insurance"....

on the other hand you have those with pre-existing conditions, Hense they are already sick, therefore some can afford the expense, and vast majority of others cannot.

So the trick here is to understand that an insurance company is a for profit company... they are not there to help, the first rule of business is to make money, whatever is left over goes to the people they service (or rather steal from). So with that understanding anyone that is already sick, a company can determine an estimate of what that individual will cost them vs what they will recover from that same individual. And as far as any business is concerned, its a loss in many cases, SO they have to make it up somewhere else... thats where the other saps pay for the difference.

The only way any of this can work is if you have a giant pile of healthy people that hardly ever use the insurance and a tiny fraction that do...

If you want to change things, you gotta have not for profit hospitals and clinics, and those places do not or rather cannot afford the best doctors, equipment and drugs... but thats what you get when you cannot afford the good stuff.

its sad, but the fact is you cannot save everyone with the way the system is structured now, which its first priority is to make money.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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