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HelicopterMain Discussion › Reducing the internal resistance of LiPos
04-15-2017 08:18 AM  8 months agoPost 61
Jamovich

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He seems to be measuring the IR on his cellpro charger

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04-15-2017 09:10 PM  8 months agoPost 62
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Too windy today.
Hoping to get a day for several flights in a row. And in doing so,
Demonstrate that the EMF boosted old battery will reach lower IR than the brand new battery charged normally.

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04-15-2017 09:15 PM  8 months agoPost 63
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I also should note:

I do not believe this to be a battery fountain of youth.

It does not fix anything.

I believe it is a temporary boost.

One of the most important indicators of a battery's age/health is self discharge
And the accelerated self discharge seen in older packs does not appear to change for better or worse. Though I will be monitoring that factor more closely on these two packs.

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04-16-2017 07:36 PM  7 months agoPost 64
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I suspect Internal Resistance will change more with temperature of the pack (and possibly age) than anything else.

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04-16-2017 08:55 PM  7 months agoPost 65
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2 packs being used the same way should show the same effects from the heat of charging and use.

The battery being EMF boosted you would then expect to have its numbers shifted due to magnetic induction heating. As I understand it, a mild heat effect would lower the ir numbers, and a strong heat would raise them.

However,
The following day the effect from excess heat should be gone. But it remains, until either many days have passed, or the battery is charged many times without the EMF boost.

This is what I've observed.

I hope to show you that through these two 4 cell batteries.

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04-16-2017 09:53 PM  7 months agoPost 66
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This is my brand new 4 cell first charge final reading no EMF boost.


Sorry it's upside down...

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04-16-2017 10:12 PM  7 months agoPost 67
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Old 4 Cell charged with EMF boost
1st charge of the day

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04-16-2017 11:01 PM  7 months agoPost 68
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Old 4 cell with emf boost final reading second charge of the day

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04-16-2017 11:12 PM  7 months agoPost 69
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Help me understand just exactly how you have that coil hooked up.
Connecting it directly up to a 12V power supply, no matter how strong it is, "does not compute".

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04-16-2017 11:25 PM  7 months agoPost 70
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4 cell brand new lipo
second charge of the day
final reading
no EMF boost

It's raining at the moment
It was also still pretty windy today,
But they Oxy 3 handled it fine.

I'm hoping to squeeze in one more cycle today

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04-16-2017 11:30 PM  7 months agoPost 71
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Your photos nor your text give adequate detail on how you have that coil powered. Can you give those details ?

Connecting such a coil directly across a 12V power supply, no matter how strong will simply not work.

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04-16-2017 11:48 PM  7 months agoPost 72
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Well this is what I said it was and pictured it as such
That's a 12v dc power supply for welding. It goes positive out> battery coil >positive in for battery charger.
I even clarified that it was in line for the power supply running the cellpro.
Before the nonsense started.

But here is a diagram

So the current going through the coil = the EMF boost= the current that the cellpro is drawing to charge the battery=positive correlation between the extra Electro Magnetic Field and electrical Flow to the battery

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04-16-2017 11:53 PM  7 months agoPost 73
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Ok, the coil is in series with the input of your battery charger.
I was not making the assumption that "cell pro" was your battery charger.

So - - what is the input current to your charger ?

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04-16-2017 11:55 PM  7 months agoPost 74
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The cellpro says it's pulling 4 amps
And the coil is eating some too.

My cheap multimeter won't read that easily.
But the power supply becomes unstable at about 5 amps and the cellpro stops.

So at this point I can guess that the coil is pulling less than an amp.

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04-16-2017 11:57 PM  7 months agoPost 75
AirWolfRC

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Your coil is in series with your charger - -
therefore - -
the coil is passing the SAME current as your charger.

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04-16-2017 11:57 PM  7 months agoPost 76
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Well this was the photo
That went along with all that.

You may not understand how that jumbled mess is hooked up.
But the constituents are clearly pictured

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04-17-2017 12:04 AM  7 months agoPost 77
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My thinking is that The coil is doing something outside of what the charger is doing.

A flashlight with x battery and z bulb deplete x battery at expected rate

So either A flashlight with x battery with a coil around a substance and then to z bulb will deplete the battery sooner

Or the light will be dimmer.

I don't believe the answer to this affects the fact that there is an emf field created by that coil, whether that emf is good for anything is my assumption.

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04-17-2017 12:12 AM  7 months agoPost 78
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So either A flashlight with x battery with a coil around a substance and then to z bulb will deplete the battery sooner
Or the light will be dimmer.
I don't believe the answer to this affects the fact that there is an emf field created by that coil, whether that emf is good for anything is my assumption.
No
Yes (very slightly)
Agreed

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04-17-2017 12:30 AM  7 months agoPost 79
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Finished a 3rd flight for both packs.
Charging new 4s no EMF boost now

I'm hoping to do 3 or more tomorrow.

Then Tuesday I'll try to do at least 3 with no EMF on either battery to show the effect is residual, and likely not heat.

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04-17-2017 12:40 AM  7 months agoPost 80
heliraptor10

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And look guys I know there's a lot more readings I could be taking to make this more legitimate. I have an IR thermometer, and I could be covering ambient temps, and flight times...

But I'm really not selling anything.

It's really the same thing as a patent from the Tesla era of batteries.

And it's just a damn coil of wire. So the only way to market it is with high quality components and tolerances. A lot of overhead in that. And then you gotta convince people it's safe.

I've been on this forum for years,
A dink the whole time...
A 38 year old kid

But this isn't an April fools joke.
I'm not a Troll

The only risk you take in trying this yourselves is perhaps an elevated risk in charging, but you all are grown men.

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