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04-21-2017 05:45 AM  5 months agoPost 181
heliraptor10

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I don't need no stinking
Resistor

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04-21-2017 05:53 AM  5 months agoPost 182
heliraptor10

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Well that's just dumb.
There's no risk of accidental success due to shoddy equipment. Any irregularities between wires and channels of charging can be sorted out by rotation of their pairings.

I'm not catering to someone who has no interest,
For that would be dumb.

Perhaps someone else would care to offer a prediction?

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04-21-2017 06:03 AM  5 months agoPost 183
heliraptor10

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I like how I keep repeating myself and staying with the same story the same logic.

And you are just all over the place

Ooh the source website has a disclaimer

How big is your coil

It isn't doing anything

You can't afford 5$ for your device that does nothing?

You can't answer a simple question?

I think I've answered lots of questions,
While you EE have ventured very little into the land of explanation.

And as the expert,
With it all on one screen you could surely make a prediction.

You wouldn't be scared to bet against a cardboard Lamborghini.

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04-21-2017 06:09 AM  5 months agoPost 184
heliraptor10

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I get it now.

You're trying to rack up another kill.

You've got as many ignores as requests,
You collect them...
The ignores I mean.

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04-21-2017 06:56 AM  5 months agoPost 185
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"Perhaps someone else would care to offer a prediction? "

Is that what you're so mad about?

That no one will make a prediction?

And that's my fault?

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04-21-2017 01:01 PM  5 months agoPost 186
icanfly

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heliraptor10, if your not going to post the required data you have failed science 1o1. You ABSOLUTELY have to post results of a normal charge without and WITH the coil. As eengineer suggested don't load the charger with the inductance coil to give hard results on the lipo state of charge only.

It isn't that we don't believe you it's that you have kicked back at any suggestion of holding an unadulterated test of your ideas with personal attacks and dysfunctional inability to be talked to like a well respected human being and scientist.

Figgin society these days won't last if all we get from doods is back talk.

In all likelyhood the lipo in the inductance coil is collecting electrons from the coil as similar to the cell phone cordless chargers. Supposed lower resistance results more obviously gained from a heated lipo.

There are clues here, but a backwards presentation and peer reply is truly immature and not helping your presentation whatsoever.

Get OFF THE ATTACK MODE,,,,,,,,,,,SIR.

it's your spin with all due respect.

here, read this, http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws...r/inductor.html

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04-21-2017 10:55 PM  5 months agoPost 187
heliraptor10

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I'm mad because I recognized a troll?

If I'm an "attacker"

Then why do I have no one blocking me?

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04-21-2017 11:01 PM  5 months agoPost 188
heliraptor10

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The closest thing that I said to being personal was when I said "that's dumb"

Not betting against a lame horse is stupid.

In this analogy my old,
And apparently poorly set up equipment.

So even if you did care to make a prediction,
If wrong then you can just blame it on my stuff.

Logic.

There is no logical reason to not make a prediction.

Unless you're a troll.

Because there's nothing a troll hates more than being proven wrong.

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04-21-2017 11:13 PM  5 months agoPost 189
heliraptor10

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Icanfly
I've answered every question that I've been given that I am capable of. And I will continue to answer reasonable questions that I am capable of.

I even drew a diagram.

I refused to measure the wire sheath.

And I resisted the resistor.

I'm done feeding the troll.

I'm not mad,
I'm frustrated.

I've never had to work so hard to give an idea away. You guys act like I'm trying to convince you to microwave your lipos. It's a weak magnetic field that shouldn't really do anything...

It is so freaking simple to test,
Put a battery on your charger and rub a big magnet on the battery. You will see one cell begin to drop in IR.

The one you're passing the magnet across.

I've answered questions.

No one has answered mine.

I'll charge my two 4 cell batteries at the same time. One in the coil and one out of the coil and as far away as wires allow.

A few cycles with temps and it should be pretty obvious.

Would this prove anything for you?

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04-21-2017 11:43 PM  5 months agoPost 190
heliraptor10

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I'd be willing to bet that somebody reading all of this has tried it.

They've seen some of what I'm saying, and are scratching their heads saying, huh...

But they aren't going to post lest they suffer the wrath of OZ the great and powerful.
That no one will make a prediction?
And that's my fault?
Well yeah

Didn't you notice that people started commenting once you stopped?

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04-21-2017 11:59 PM  5 months agoPost 191
JuanRodriguez

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I've been following this post while keeping my popcorn machine very active.....

Frankly, I could give a *at's ass about the topic....nevertheless, I do find it "entertaining".......

But it seems like to me that you are trying to convince yourself of something and getting upset because everyone is not agreeing with you 100%

That's not trolling, BTW, just my observation......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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04-22-2017 12:06 AM  5 months agoPost 192
heliraptor10

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Well Juan
your social metrics back up your statement

I didn't expect anyone to agree with me.

I expected curiosity.

Only one person here is not curious.

He knows exactly what's happening and has made that clear,
Yet while saying this isn't happening,
He wants to know the wire sheath thickness
And wants me to buy something to increase the nothing.

This makes no sense and is therefore the epitome of condescending.

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04-22-2017 12:14 AM  5 months agoPost 193
heliraptor10

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I used to be a good salesman.

I don't know if the market has changed or what. But damn.

If I can't convince someone they can improve a product they already own, with household items, for free....

Well maybe that's the problem...
Everybody's "too good to be true" alarms are going off...

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04-22-2017 12:25 AM  5 months agoPost 194
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I would suggest,

1)Take 2 equal packs and cycle them to get them both to the same discharged point. Not in the coil and on a discharger so they are both cut off at the same voltage. Document pack temps and IR's. Now presumably you have 2 identical packs (as far as practical)

2)Cycle one pack in the coil and one without the coil documenting pack temps and IR's

3)Repeat to make sure things are consistent.

4)Present your numbers

- - - video not necessary

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04-22-2017 12:39 AM  5 months agoPost 195
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I do not have 2 equal packs

The 2 four cell packs are vastly different in age, and the new one is a higher c rating.

That's why I boosted the old one, to show that I could get it lower than the new one.

But I get it.
Too many variables,
And none tracked well.

I have 2 identical presumably unused five cell batteries on the way.

Unfortunately my charger will not do a discharge cycle.

Would I be able to drain, then check the battery to reach matching voltages?
Or would I have to measure the voltage under load to reach equivalent levels of depletion?

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04-22-2017 12:55 AM  5 months agoPost 196
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You could even just use one pack. But you still need to be able to charge and discharge to a known state, without the coil and with, documenting all the way.

Cycle the one pack a few times without the coil then a few times with the coil and back again without the coil to check that the numbers revert.

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04-22-2017 01:03 AM  5 months agoPost 197
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"But it seems like to me that you are trying to convince yourself of something and getting upset because everyone is not agreeing with you 100%"

Exactly...and if they don't, they are labeled as a troll...using extensive use of all caps......

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04-22-2017 01:24 AM  5 months agoPost 198
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And I'd like to know what this means......
your social metrics back up your statement
You have no clue as to what my background or upbringing is.......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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04-22-2017 01:40 AM  5 months agoPost 199
Heli_Splatter

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Charging two batteries at the same time one in the coil and one out proves nothing. The batteries would have to be identical and that is impossible to create.

My idea for a controlled experiment.

Start with three used worn batteries.

1.) Record IRs & voltages for all cells and temperature.
2.) charge (w/coil) battery to full condition, record mahrs used, record IRs and voltages for all cells, record temperature.
3.) Allow battery to rest until reaching room temperature. Record battery condition (IR & Voltage for all cells)
4.) Discharge the battery to the 3.7 volts for all cells
5.) Record battery condition and start over at step 1.

I would run this test for 15-20 cycles on all three batteries.

Now that would be a lot of work...

At the same time, run the same charge/discharge (w/o coil) on a second set of batteries used as the standard.

Finally, you would run the second set of batteries through the trial of the first and try to duplicated the results of using the coil. Any individual set of numbers is just not meaningful. Only when aggregated would any trends be shown or any potential cause/effect be noticeable.

A controlled experiment is difficult and timely.

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04-22-2017 02:13 AM  5 months agoPost 200
icanfly

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A lot of people, lurkers, etc are really interested in your findings be they proven correct or otherwise. Remember some may stick around to ride you if the fact of the matter proves differently than you first assessed.

Stay clam, keep a cool thought process, look at everything from all sides no one is here to troll and or boot you around 'cause they think your claim is bent, snake oil, fork tongue speak, a pig in a poke, be CALM and do the test.

What' are you going to do if your claim was a mistake?

I read the pm, we all have our hard times, let's not be a hard time all the time, even on our selves maybe? Trust me on this 100%, I understand.

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