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HelicopterFlybarless Rotor Head SystemsBrain iKon › Bluetooth app $$$???
04-09-2017 07:51 PM  43 days agoPost 1
heliraptor10

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kokomo, in-US

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Anyone else think it's crap that after you shell out the cash for the Bluetooth feature then they want you to buy the app?

And it's not even a normal app price. Six bucks isn't gonna break me, but damn I didn't even need the Bluetooth really. It's sat here for a month not even hooked up. I just figured I'd check it out because I'm playing with governer settings and I thought it would be nice to spool up untethered.

Ok...
I think I'm better now.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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04-10-2017 12:26 AM  43 days agoPost 2
co_rotorhead

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Anyone else think it's crap that after you shell out the cash for the Bluetooth feature then they want you to buy the app?
Just my opinion, but in this hobby, this is akin to buying a yacht and then complaining about the cost of a deck chair.

I own several iKONs and am happy that I have a way to tweak settings at the field without lugging a laptop with me. I couldn't drop that $6 fast enough.

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04-10-2017 01:59 AM  43 days agoPost 3
heliraptor10

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Well I didn't have to pay for the Windows app.
The programming functionality is part of the support for the ikon. Because you know,
You've already paid for it.

I would assume (and incorrectly so) that the app that makes the Bluetooth module actually do something, would be part of the price. Or at the very least, they could mention that to use the Bluetooth device you just bought, that you'll need to shell out more cash.

Yes this happens in our hobby,
You buy an upgrade, only to find out it's worthless without this cord, or this part. But it doesn't mean we have to like it.

I'm not boycotting ikon...lol.
But most of us want complete information about the products we buy. What the kit has what the kit needs.

This info should come from the manufacturer and the distributor, and I couldn't find anything that said, to use the Bluetooth you'll need to purchase and download this app.

Yes users could have told me this, but I don't go to other users to learn about prices and product contents. I go to users to learn about problems and quirks of a given product.

As I said 6 bucks isn't going to break me,
But it wouldn't have been a surprise if the manufacturer disclosed this to begin with.

Just venting
And also sharing the info.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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04-11-2017 01:22 PM  42 days agoPost 4
rik

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Italy

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To use the external Bluetooth or the built-in Bluetooth of Brain2-BT or Brain2-HD-BT, you use the Windows application that is provided without charge.
You can also use the free windows app on a MAC with one of the many Windows emulators.
This way you can make the setup or downloads of logs or firmware updates or whatever, without the need to physically have the model near the PC and connect the unit via a USB cable.
If it leads to the airfield a portable PC or a tablet with Windows, to download the log from your esc or monitor and log your charger, you can also connect via Bluetooth to the Brain with the same PC/Tablet.
The Android and iOS applications are not required to use the Brain units. The units are set by the Windows application provided free (and updated for free as are continuously released free firmware upgrades that continue to add new features for free). The iOS and Android apps are "optional" unnecessary and therefore provided for a fee.
For continuous free updates firmware and software that add new features constantly, 100,000 euros are spent each year. Over the last few five years were spent 500,000 Euros from MSH to provide free updates.

If you want to have Android applications and / or iOS for free, just buy the other units that offer almost all the Brain functions but which cost three times. For those units that cost so much, apps are provided free of charge.

For example, you can buy the New Bavarian Demon at ~475 Euros and you have the Android app for free (when they release it, but you don't have logs, events, timers and the promised Jeti integration that is not yet out).
Here you can find the new Axon at the special price to the end of December: http://demonrc.com.au/

Or you can buy a Vbar NEO with the specific transmitter, With the needed software upgrade (that you must pay separately) you spend more than 1.200 Euros but the Android app is free.
http://shop.mikadousa.com/04950-VBa...ess_p_1513.html acquiring separately the Pro+rescue firmware (you can see in the same page that cost 120USD) and with the Vbar control http://shop.mikadousa.com/VBar-Cont...dio-_c_527.html

Or you can buy a Skookum. With GPS, you spend 770 Euros but you have the Android app for free.
http://www.skookumrobotics.com/products/
But note also that Skookum with these prices has stopped the development and update because the heli-rc market is too small to gain sufficiently to survive for who produce and sell only flybarless units!!!!

Some of these unit don’t have yet all the function that Brain/iKon yet have, but all these flybarless unit give you the Android app for free.

Bye

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04-11-2017 06:57 PM  42 days agoPost 5
heliraptor10

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The Bluetooth adapter was optional.
The Android app to use the Bluetooth is therefore not optional.

It is the only way to use this Bluetooth adapter.

Are we clear that I can afford 6$?

That I am upset because this was not mentioned anywhere in the description of the Android Bluetooth module. It should have been made clear that you would need to purchase and download the app.

Keep on with that elitist concept that no one should be in this hobby without piles of cash to burn.

I take care of my birds and at the moment I don't push my limits, I just have fun. As a result I've been in the air the past 3 years at a cost of under 2k.

It isn't about the 6$

It's about 1 word missing from the product description regarding the app

Purchase.

I love the ikon. It was my first flybarless unit. And it made taking that step a lot less scary. It would take a lot to make me want to switch. Being upset over that missing word is not enough to send me elsewhere.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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04-11-2017 09:17 PM  41 days agoPost 6
rik

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Italy

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What is missing in the reasoning is that the Bluetooth module is not a specific Bluetooth module only for the Android application, but it is a Bluetooth module usable with any device equipped with Bluetooth. Like most of the PC running the free Windows application.

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04-11-2017 09:46 PM  41 days agoPost 7
heliraptor10

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Not according to the manufacturer

The crius module says
Android only.

But to be fair,
I have not tried to connect it via Bluetooth to my PC. So I'll give that a shot and post the result.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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04-12-2017 12:07 PM  41 days agoPost 8
Eury

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Dover NH

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The Crius module doesn't work with iOS, hence Android only. It works fine with the Windows software. The Crius module isn't the one sold by MSH, it's a 3rd party piece, the one from MSH works with anything, but costs more.

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

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04-12-2017 12:23 PM  41 days agoPost 9
rik

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Italy

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@Heliraptor10: If you use a Bluetooth module of the Crius company, this is one more reason why the Crius company cannot give you the MSH Android application for free. How can a different company give you for free an application developed by another company? How can MSH selling for free an app to another competitor (MSH producing its own Bluetooth module that is guaranteed to work in a range 4-10Voltage and that is also Apple iOS certified) if to MSH the development and update of this application cost more than 10.000 Euros each years?

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04-12-2017 06:13 PM  41 days agoPost 10
heliraptor10

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Fair enough

This one came with the unit I purchased. So I didn't pick it. I needed an fbl and it had a Bluetooth module.

But my information regarding it comes directly from the Ikon page.

They sell it.

It's not some company ripping them off.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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04-17-2017 05:36 PM  36 days agoPost 11
ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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You don't need to buy the Android app or the iPhone (iOS) app.

If your PC has Bluetooth, then you can discover the MSH BT module and use the Windows (free) MSH Setup app.

Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
Fake News will be the downfall of our Republic!

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