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PaulBowen

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East coast Australia.

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Hello all. Just a curious question from an Aussie.

I have repeatedly noticed on this forum and others people having meltdowns about having to order parts from overseas. This I find rather odd as it is mostly normal for a large segment of the world population. Is there a tax or bureacratic reason for this or is it just people with unrealistic expectations in a very small hobby?

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MattJen

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since flying in the late 90's there has always been a distributor in the UK, so speaking from my point of view I have always been able to get something from a distributor.
But over the past couple of years those have dwindled to the point of non existence, most of my parts now all come from Abroad.

I try to get from Europe where I can as I once a M/A shaft for my xcell which cost 15$ but I got clobbered import tax which doubled the price.. so I try and avoid buying from states.

I have just had some parts from Taiwan and China, ordered last Monday I had them by Friday same week, very quick and no import duty.

There is now only a handful of retailers here in UK so I have to look abroad.

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EEngineer

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TX

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"Is there a tax or bureaucratic reason "

There is added tax called VAT in the EU....

Extra shipping costs....

Customs delays....

We're used to what we can get domestically....and we need it yesterday....

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04-05-2017 06:58 AM
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In the US you don't pay EU VAT on anything, it will get taken off if it is on the price list when you order.

Here in Hong Kong we are used to buying from overseas and basically we shop around. Obviously China is on the doorstep so we can get a lot from there but it is very much 'buyer beware' and I ask my Chinese friends to order for me if I buy from there as they know their way around.

I try not to buy from US as the freight/postage rates are horrendous, it is far cheaper to get stuff shipped from UK or Europe, and pricing is very competitive.

I know when you say 'overseas or domestic' you are talking of the US market, but this is getting to be a global hobby, and producers are having to go international quite quickly to generate the volumes they need to stay in business. Whether they do this by direct sales or local distributors is up to them, and of course the buyers.

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balsabasher

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Central Ohio, USA

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I am assuming you are directing this at the USA. To quote a famous American saying, "If I have to explain, you would not understand."
If you knew our 240 years old history, you would understand and no it is not "normal" for us and not "unrealistic expectations".
But that said it may become our future and we will need to learn to adapt.

Blades; what goes around, comes around!

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datidun

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N Ireland

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Anything over 15 pound sterling ,then they charge import duty if living in UK.

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PaulBowen

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Balsabasher I guess your last line sums up exactly the point I may have been attempting to make.

The world has changed a lot in the last 10-20 years and unfortunately it isn't going to stop for us.

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don s

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If you're in the US flying foreign made stuff, you were already buying from overseas, even if the transaction took place at the lhs.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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EEngineer

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TX

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"In the US you don't pay EU VAT on anything, it will get taken off if it is on the price list when you order."

The VAT tax is always passed on to the US consumer in the US....period.

Because the US distributor has to pay it.

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EEngineer

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"The world has changed a lot in the last 10-20 years and unfortunately it isn't going to stop for us. "

Very true....

FWIW, here's some "historical" perspective....

You've heard of Mikado/VStabi, right?

Their headquarters is located in Potsdam, Germany near Berlin.

During WW2, the US 8th Air Force(among others) bombed the heck
out of those areas.

Then, the Russians blockaded Berlin in the 60's, during which the "Wall" was constructed in East Germany....and Potsdam found itself behind the wall....in East Germany.

When the wall came down in late 1989, Potsdam was finally freed from communist rule.

And after 15 years or so.....voila....VStabi/Mikado was born.

So...if one is flying a Logo, there's a lot of history behind these helis....

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Ace Dude

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USA

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I have repeatedly noticed on this forum and others people having meltdowns about having to order parts from overseas. This I find rather odd as it is mostly normal for a large segment of the world population. Is there a tax or bureacratic reason for this or is it just people with unrealistic expectations in a very small hobby?
If you're in the USA and need to order from overseas the main disadvantages are:

1) Increased delivery time.
2) Increased shipping costs.
3) Currency conversion fees.

  

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Heliman

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For Engineer,

The Value Added Tax, or VAT, in the European Union is a general, broadly based consumption tax assessed on the value added to goods and services. It applies more or less to all goods and services that are bought and sold for use or consumption in the European Union.

This is the official EU definition, the last line is the important one. If someone is charging you VAT in the US, I suggest you ask questions.

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PaulBowen

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East coast Australia.

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I miss my original Logo 500-3d. It ran on a Hacker A40-10L Electric Turbine motor and 5s5000MAh for very quiet 12 minute flights. Worse thing I ever did to it was a flybarless conversion.

Early flybarless (BeastX/Savox) = Tears and sadness (for me anyway!).

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EEngineer

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TX

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"If someone is charging you VAT in the US, I suggest you ask questions."

I have....and will again...and I suspect I will get the same answer.

If the US distributor has paid the VAT, they will pass that cost on to the US consumer.

Perhaps the US distributors should be asking such questions.

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Mikerobe

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Green Turtle Cay,Abaco, Bahamas.

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Here in the Bahamas, I have to pay 45% customs import duty and VAT on the final product. It looks like this:
US cost of item +
US cost of shipment to my courier +
Credit Card/PayPal +
Courier to Bahamas +
Customs Import Duty +
Brokerage fee +
VAT
=80%.

But I love my helis!!

The lot I got is not a lot, but I thank God a lot for the lot I got!

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EEngineer

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TX

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Brokerage fee?

Well, that's a new one from the politicians.

Don't ya just 'em?

Jeez

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