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04-04-2017 07:48 PM  13 months agoPost 1
Scorpion

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Do I change the throttle,increase blade pitch or the pitch curve settings
Thank you

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04-04-2017 07:58 PM  13 months agoPost 2
JuanRodriguez

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Do you mean "to hover" at 1/2 stick ??

Either way you'll need to adjust the pitch to about 6 degrees at 1/2 stick and then adjust the throttle to suit ....

And last question, why do you want to do this ?

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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04-04-2017 08:12 PM  13 months agoPost 3
Scorpion

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Thank you.......I guess i'm trying to find out the best way to "hover" my Mongoose at 1/2 or 3/4 stick.

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04-04-2017 08:27 PM  13 months agoPost 4
BeltFedBrowning

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You could set the head up mechanically for -2 to +12 degrees of pitch.
You could set the curves in your radio to limit the neg pitch.
You will have to fly in idle-up because the heli will not come down without bringing the collective down far enough that it cuts the throttle.

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04-04-2017 10:38 PM  13 months agoPost 5
xcellgasman101

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First you need to know your gear ratio so you can set the head speed for your engine then when you have that set adjust your pitch to get it however you like it on the stick easy as 123 All of my gassers hover at three-quarter stick,,, that's -12, zero, +12 pitch. It helps if you're running a governor if not you'll have to adjust throttle and pitch curves. XGM/VGM

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04-04-2017 10:46 PM  13 months agoPost 6
RM3

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Do I change the throttle,increase blade pitch or the pitch curve settings
Thank you
well technically, yes, you do all three...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-04-2017 11:45 PM  13 months agoPost 7
Scorpion

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guys.......thanks for all your advice, greatly appreciate it.

scorpion"

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04-05-2017 12:48 AM  13 months agoPost 8
PaulBowen

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One could assume from this question this is not intended as a 3d setup.

I would have thought most non-3d flyers are hovering at ½ stick as it gives far nicer stick resolution.

Just set -2, +6, +12 and adjust throttle curves to suit. The best tacho is your ears, if it sounds right then it probably is. Not really sure why you would need to think about gear ratios except for initial governor setup. Not everyone picks a headspeed based on power curves.

Good luck.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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04-05-2017 01:29 AM  13 months agoPost 9
rbort

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Mongoose
Run the head speed at 1320, 1400, and 1480.

Gear ratio is 9.09.

You can hover it at 2/3rds stick and it will fly inverted and hover symmetrical stick to the downside.

Probably won't be sble to swing 12 degrees my guess would be less due to the larger disk. Put as much pitch in it as it can take to climb out holding 1480.

Enjoy!

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4196 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3272 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1540 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 380 flts

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04-09-2017 03:48 PM  13 months agoPost 10
chris6414

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1/2 throttle isn't
Predator Gasser here and I found out also that half stick is not half throttle with a gasser. I run about 1/3 throttle at half stick 6 degrees in a hover. I run mine very scale with a lower head speed than most. My blades are even wider chord like FBL blades with a fly barred head.

Century Hawk Sport, OS .32, Futaba 7C, GY-601 9251
Predator Gasser SE G-23, Fut 3010 servos, JR gyro/servo

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05-26-2017 09:50 AM  12 months agoPost 11
myjane

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Hi my goose is set up 3 down 4 mid 8/5 up and disk is set at 1350 ish 830 blades hovers well and just floats I never seem to need throttle much , it just stays aloft , against the others I have , nitros , electrics , but servos are important with these huge helis In wich I am going through now , the load on that disk at the hub is huge , love the old beast ,

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09-14-2017 08:54 PM  8 months agoPost 12
solo

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Gasser motor
Looking to get a gasser Heli. I want to get motor first; what would be a good motor to get. Willing to spend about $500 on motor. The Heli I will get is a Trex 700. Thanks.

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09-15-2017 12:22 AM  8 months ago •• Post 13 ••
fastflyer20

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N. Tonawanda, NY

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Toxic Racing Motors and BH Hanson are the two specializing in Zenoah engines modified for RC helis. Carey Shurley from Gas Powered Thoughts carrys TRM engines.

Pick your conversion kit carefully. Make sure it uses a Zenoah clutch and research the kit for known issues.

I am not a big fan of most of the Trex conversions, the ones I have owned or flown for other pilots did not fly as well as other donor brands.

Tom
CAUTION - my posts are based on my experiences, yours may be different.

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09-15-2017 10:36 PM  8 months agoPost 14
jharkin

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+1 to Toms comments... many Trex conversions have serious design flaws and even the best of them are at the mercy of Align parts quality which is hit and miss. The old Helix was a good one ( I still fly one and love it) but it's no longer made. It is proabably the lightest airframe out there.

The new Blackout mods offering looks good but it's expensive.

But in all honestly if I was starting from scratch I would get the MA Whiplash or one of the JC designs conversions (KDS/Goblin/Synergy) sold on Carey's site.

-Jeremy
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09-16-2017 05:44 PM  8 months agoPost 15
RM3

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But in all honestly if I was starting from scratch I would get the MA Whiplash
same here, never had an MA (almost pulled the trigger on one two months before MA folded), but some folks I flew with had them. there is alot to be said about consistent parts quality and continued support.

You may be able to get a conversion cheaper OR buy a dirt cheap Radical online, but of all the gassers I have seen and experienced, MA is at the top of the heap.

One thing to keep in mind, Trexs' were never designed to handle the vibrations produced by a bigger displacement 2 stroke gasoline engine, therefore durability will suffer despite the initial perceived performance. If your a big time tinkerer, then by all means pick what you like, but if your more interested in flying over wrenching... go MA.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-27-2018 03:31 PM  29 days agoPost 16
Richardmid1

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I always (and recommend) setting +/- 10-13 degrees of pitch and simply lift the zero PITCH curve point up to where you have the desired negative pitch if you never plan on doing any 3D or sustained inverted.

You always want mid stick to be zero blade pitch, it makes life so much easier for setup, auto's and generally knowing where you are pitch wise when flying.

This will mean you will be hovering around 1/2-3/4 stick depending on head speed, blade size, heli weight, wind gusts etc.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-27-2018 11:20 PM  29 days agoPost 17
PaulBowen

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I’ve always flown with hover at half stick, for 21 years now. It gives far more accurate control for my scale flying style. If set to hover at ¾ stick them you will be spending most of your flight doing tiny movements in the top half of stick travel.

I’m not sure why anyone needs to know their pitch during flight, it’s kinda irrelevant.

The initial and mechanical setup can be -10 - 0 - +10 or more, then set pitch curves to suit power/flying style/hovering stick position.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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04-28-2018 12:57 AM  29 days agoPost 18
banshee rider

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Phoenix AZ.

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My setup is o pitch at half stick mechanically
I hover upright at 5/8 stick and inverted at 3/8 stick in all modes
Idle up 1 is 1750 to 1800 head speed idle up 2 is about 1950 head speed
normal mode is 1700
normal mode is only used for takeoff/landing/shut down/start up
I adjust everything in the TX. in order to do this

Pitch is set too 11-0-11 on everything including throttle hold
this way it doesnt matter what Im doing the left stick feels the same and I know how far to move it to get what I need

So for the OPs question yes you adjust throttle/gov and pitch to hover where you want in reference to stick position

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