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04-04-2017 10:41 AM  6 months agoPost 1
JoeB1

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04-07-2017 03:05 PM  6 months agoPost 2
TMoore

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If it's like all the rest of the FR Sky stuff the throttle stick travels too far and you can't adjust it so it's use for helis will be limited. On top of that the latency hasn't been tested so that's a factor. For a quad flying FPV the only other question is the range. The price is certainly right if you can handle the other concerns.

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04-07-2017 03:10 PM  6 months agoPost 3
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If it's like all the rest of the FR Sky stuff the throttle stick travels too far and you can't adjust it so it's use for helis will be limited.
Can you elaborate on this, please?

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04-07-2017 11:59 PM  6 months agoPost 4
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since he is a rep for another radio supplier he will find problems with any other radio manufacturers product.

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04-08-2017 01:56 AM  6 months agoPost 5
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since he is a rep for another radio supplier he will find problems with any other radio manufacturers product.
You haven't been keeping up with current events have you? Is news 12 months behind in NZ? Do you have cable down there? From time to time I speak with a few Ham's from NZ on 20 Meters and they sound like they get news fairly regularly. Your observations are simply incorrect and you have no basis for what you said.

I am sponsored by no one. I am simply observing two things:
1. The throttle stick travel is the same travel as the elevator on the FR Sky radios. If you look at TX design over the last few decades the throttle stick has always had shorter travel than the elevator stick. This is how it is. It makes easier to fly the model IMHO and many users have gotten used to this setup. FR Sky has no stick stops to accommodate shorter stick throw on throttle. The Jeti DS16 easily lets you adjust stick throw to your liking and recalibrate.

2. Latency. Many FR Sky users have noticed latency issues as JKos' tests have born out. IOW they're slow and unless you are using an S-Bus output do the channels sequence or are they simultaneous? On a modern FBL heli latency is an issue.

I know the FPV"ers like FR Sky radios and that is where they find a lot of users but a lot of folks that have prior heli experience detest the long stick throw on throttle.

I would get one of these radios to test If I could adjust the throttle stick throw to suit. Its a lot of radio for the money.

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04-08-2017 02:15 AM  6 months agoPost 6
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good to see you are still easy to bait.

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04-08-2017 02:31 AM  6 months agoPost 7
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good to see you are still easy to bait.
Right. Do you have anything constructive to add?

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04-08-2017 02:54 AM  6 months agoPost 8
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Thanks for the reply, TMoore. I didn't realize most newer radios had shorter throttle stick travel. I had been away from helis for 10 years or so, when I bought a Taranis X9D, last year. That replaced my aged Futaba 9C. As I'm no 3D flyer, I'll probably never notice the latency issue. So far, the Taranis is doing well on my old flybarred birds (Intrepid gas, X-Cell 46, Raptor 30 v1) and a couple T-Rex 450 FBL helis.

-Kevin

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04-08-2017 03:09 AM  6 months agoPost 9
TMoore

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Futaba over the years has produced a few radios that have longer throttle stick travels. If you look at JR, Airtronics, VBar, Spektrum and others typically the throttle stroke was shorter than the elevator stick. Once you get used to the shorter stick throws it messes with your collective timing when you change to a radio with long travels. FR Sky have no provisions for adjustable stick stops.

I have read many threads on other forums where this became an issue.

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04-08-2017 09:35 PM  6 months agoPost 10
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Wouldn't it be easy to set up a throttle curve that allows full throttle range for any stick movement you desire? True that there wouldn't be a physical stop at the end points you desire, but the stick movement would have the range you want.

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04-09-2017 03:16 AM  6 months agoPost 11
TMoore

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Several folks tried that and didn't like it. You really need the physical stops to match the true end points especially if you are setting throttle end points.

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04-09-2017 09:45 AM  6 months agoPost 12
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The range on the radio has already being tested and is the same as the Taranis which is well known to have good range and more than radios that cost $$ more. Which is one main reason why a lot have changed to the Taranis. That and the fact that is of course runs OpenTx which is great.

There is no latency issues that I have heard of and it can of course run Sbus and use sbus X4Rsb receiver which has very low latency. 9ms as far as I remember.
1 in 10000 will need the throttle stops that you are talking about. This is also for me the first to hear about it so it is obviously VERY rare but there is always one!
You can adjust the stick heights so one can give more lever than the other so the throttle can have less throw than the other stick and as mentioned there is of course throttle curves.

Speaking of sponsors/reps I do not see a section for the Taranis on RR so maybe FRsky is not sponsoring RR?

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04-09-2017 04:34 PM  6 months agoPost 13
TMoore

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Frame rate and latency have no correlation. Check out some of these links and you can see how FR Sky is doing it.

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread...le+stick+travel

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/sho...latency-testing

It all depends on what you are doing and how you use the radio. For example if you put dual elevators on Ch 1 and Ch 7 and the radio sends updates sequentially there is going to be a lag between the two elevator servos.

As far as the stick stops are concerned I'm not sure that 1 in 10,000 is a good number. That one might be pie in the sky. If the FR Sky is your first and only radio, you don't know any different but if you've been flying for a while and used other gear I guarantee you will realize something is up.

I'm not saying the radio isn't good value for money and I'm not sponsored by anyone but me. My money, my choice. All I'm saying is that if the TX had stick stops and they were sending data to all channels on every frame at the same time it would be a more solid radio that folks would chance on a heli.

Let's get JKos to test one and see how it works. That's the definitive test right there. If he's still doing it that would answer several questions. I don't think he's tested a native FR Sky system.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t172571p1/

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04-18-2017 08:56 PM  6 months agoPost 14
JoeB1

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All of those links are years old!

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