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joshreynolds777

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I hope Im spelling that right.
Ive heard someone say there is an order you want to learn tricks... a progression of maneuvers.
Something about this way, your not impeding your progress.

What in your opinion is the trick progression ?

04-04-2017 05:09 AM
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Daved Gutierrez

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Master Hovering in all angles (facing towards you, away from you, side ways left/right, upside down and right side) also try all this while doing the "T" maneuver.

04-04-2017 05:13 AM
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heliraptor10

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Yup
Hovering and orientation is the key.

Nose in was so hard for me but once I got it my flight improved exponentially.

And you would do well to get a little crappy fly barred Heli. I learned on an Esky belt-cp with a rate gyro. It taught me everything about fighting drift. Because nothing on that Heli was really accurate. It made me a better pilot.

I think people learning now are spoiled by the stability of flybarless units.

Of course they were saying that about tail gyros decades ago so...

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

04-04-2017 05:23 AM
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joshreynolds777

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Well Ive got nose in down.
Got flips, rolls and loops covered. both moving and stationary.

Not real good with inverted hovering.

Is that what should be next ?

Also, at what orientation is inverted hover the easiest to start ? tail in? or away ?

04-04-2017 05:31 AM
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Pistol_Pete

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http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

04-04-2017 05:34 AM
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heliraptor10

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Inverted hovering should be next because if something odd happens in the middle of a roll flip or loop you need to be able to recover.

I find nose in inverted easiest.

I started by pulling loops and gradually spending more time in the inverted nose in position until I could pull a flip or loop and hold it.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

04-04-2017 05:36 AM
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joshreynolds777

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thanks guys

Inverted tail in it is!

Pilot proficiency .. that was it !

04-04-2017 05:45 AM
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heliraptor10

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You got a sim?

They are indispensable for learning orientation.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

04-04-2017 05:48 AM
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joshreynolds777

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Yep.

i use the NeXt

always master the move on the sim before tying it in the field

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n8rloves2fly

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Google Pilot Proficiency RCheli nation. They even have videos on what it should look like.

04-07-2017 02:07 PM
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joshreynolds777

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Roger that. Thanks loves2fly

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Richardmid1

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The first manoeuver to learn of course is the autorotation! I've seen people who can 3D but can't auto!

Personally I have found simply flying and having fun and NOT being afraid of crashing is far better than following set manoeuvers which gets boring very quickly!

60% of the time, it works every time!

04-07-2017 03:26 PM
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joshreynolds777

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Autos

I do hear that some. And I hear people talk about practicing autos all the time. And I actually do practice them in the sim because it's kinda fun. But I'm having a hard time, and I'm sure this is just my experience level, understanding the circumstances of needing to use it. Makes a little more since with a nitro bird running out of fuel, or burning up a glow plug, or a lean bog out or something like that and still have servo control. But loosing power in most electrics usually means loosing power to everything right ? None of my models have an external rx pack. Otherwise I'd get it a little more in that case too. Accidentally hitting LVC in the esc would notice a power loss and bring down immediately. I've never hit LVC in a heli, maybe that's when you need it? So I dunno, I'm not really seeing the big need for that manouver besides stretching flight time a tad and skill set. I'm probably wrong tho. So fill me in.

04-07-2017 03:55 PM
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Richardmid1

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If you run an external BEC and the ESC or motor fails/burns then you would need to auto.

Other times iv'e needed to auto are, pinion coming loose, tail servo failure, tail control rod end coming loose, torque tube end sheering, tail gears stripping and ANY strange noise from the heli. Saved me A LOT of money getting used to hitting throttle hold and floating the heli down.

It's not just about the autos but making hitting throttle hold as quickly as possible second nature.

60% of the time, it works every time!

04-07-2017 04:05 PM
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spaceman spiff

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I was severely stuck in the dreaded loop and roll rut untill i decided to work on orientation and transitions. T manuvers, just hover nose out, slowly slide to the right down the runway holding a straight line and altitude until you are looking at the left side. Hold there for a few seconds, then slide the heli all the way to the left end of the runway. now you are seeing the right side...

I pretty much did only that on the sim and at the field for a summer on an old beater 30raptor. Reliable, cheap and expendable, and not all that capable, but just right for that job. 4 orientations uprigt, 4 upside down, (facing left, facing right, nose in, nose out) . Sounds borring, but once i had all that down, the tricks were pretty easy.

You can't teach a crab to walk straight.

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EEngineer

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"the tricks were easy. "

lol....depending upon the price.....

Logo 600SXs, 700XX, 800XX

04-07-2017 05:19 PM
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spaceman spiff

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Hehehe. I am not saying I will ever do rotating tick tocks inches off the ground, only mutants can do that and get away with it. Still, I accomplished more in a few months of T maneuvers than the previous 3 or 4 years. I can't imagine a better foundation to start from.

Curt Youngblood did an instructional video a number of years ago. Initially I was disappointed that most of what he showed was the T manuvers, but later realized he hit the bullseye with that advice. I don't think the video is available anymore, but if you know what a T is....

You can't teach a crab to walk straight.

04-07-2017 05:36 PM
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EEngineer

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"tricks are easy" meant something else....

Don Rickles would have had a field day with that one....

Logo 600SXs, 700XX, 800XX

04-07-2017 06:52 PM
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joshreynolds777

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Gonna work the T's then !

04-07-2017 08:17 PM
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heliraptor10

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Piroflip is one I just fail to grasp.

That is one "trick" with too much "turning"

. .

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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