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03-30-2017 01:18 AM  7 months agoPost 1
knightofcarnage

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Is the Futaba 18sz based of a Open source project. Is the source available for 3rd parties to write new modules for review?

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03-30-2017 01:51 AM  7 months agoPost 2
jbjones

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Pretty sure it's Windows. Which is bizzare to see "open source license". Is that your radio?

I'll try to find the proof, but I'm over 90% sure.

Edit: My 18SZ is running 1.6. There is an update to v2.1. I don't know what 2.1E is.

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03-30-2017 02:06 AM  7 months agoPost 3
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Yes its my radio. I noticed it starting 2.0. I don't think its running windows CE like 18MZ. 2.1E E stands for English

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03-30-2017 02:12 AM  7 months agoPost 4
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Yes its my radio. I noticed it starting 2.0. I don't think its running windows CE like 18MZ. 2.1E E stands for English
Interesting. I swear that I read somewhere that it was running Windows. I remember that specifically, because I was kind of bummed...I don't own a single Windows machine and haven't for nearly 20 years (All Linux and BSD machines at home).

I can't find anything about it now. Maybe I was confused with my 4PX, which again, I'm sure is running Windows!

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03-30-2017 03:25 PM  7 months agoPost 5
bbaxter

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It's the 18MZ that uses Windows CE V6.0 for the visual interface.

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03-30-2017 08:47 PM  7 months agoPost 6
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yes and its has 2 diffrent cpu's

Honestly 18MZ would be a greatest radio every if it had the following features.

1) Modeler designed so you can upgrade major subsystems. EG: new radio system comes out you replace an TX modules not the entire unit.
Just like when the 18SZ came out had more hardeware features the 18MZ until the release "Special Edition" . Honestly the older models 14MZ was more future proof the 18MZ. At least to me I don't see 18MZ advange for 18SZ accept for bragging.

2)open source tool kit for development

3) you have a very nice screen used for you can easly use it a FPV monitor.

4) I wish it was a full opensource software radio or at least have a plugin system for user to upload custom scrips. EG: lua scrips very nice and has some great customization for embbeding a lua scripting into your C code. It has a great protection/sanbox between C and script. . I been posting and posting about this for years. Similer to when futaba released SBUS2 system, I posted few times about using AUX channels to configure any features on cgy 750 for tunning/setup not just gains. Now look at MSH just did for Brain and iKon. Why can't you do this for cgy 750, this would be a great freature until release a SBUS2 gyro, at this point I hope the entire setup can be done thru a radio.

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03-31-2017 12:31 AM  7 months agoPost 7
Ace Dude

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From an application architecture perspective I'm not sure full TX integration for FBL configuration is best option. I think a wireless interface to a FBL unit from a smartphone app is a better solution.

I don't have any interest in owning an open source radio.
Now look at MSH just did for Brain and iKon.
Can you be more specific about what they did that you're referring to?

  

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03-31-2017 01:41 AM  7 months agoPost 8
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From an application architecture perspective I'm not sure full TX integration for FBL configuration is best option
Well look at vControl radio, entrie setup can be done accept registration and firmware upgrade. Now I will agree BT app to setup a gyro are very nice. Align had it for few years working with IOS, starting with GPRO. But you still need to land change values. Now for example you want pre-comp. Its much easier to do it flight.
Personal I had issues using BT on the field. I had few occasions where either the settings did not get saved (Align,mr690,mr25,150x) or for example on iKon2 i had a hot startup and the 470 almost hit me.

I know not all variables can be dynamical configure but the ones you can they should be an radio interface.

Opensource

Look at what Align has been doing.
For example both mr25x and 150x both at run BLheli for controlling ESC. I think the best and easy case look at is 150 tail vs 150X tail.

Opensource does not mean the manufacture has no control on firmware. Its way of leveraging 100's of developers for enhance your product and have the internal team bring into main line. (good example is 3d printing community)

Here is what i would like Futaba to consider:
1) Use OS like Android
2) Have a API interface for Android Apps to utilize radio events and sending / receiving messages between app and its endpoints

For example I been kicking back and forth a product for controlling cameras on gimbals. So internal app on the radio utilizing 2 way communication to a device which would then control functionality on DLSR/MIRRORLESS cameras like my Sony a7rii .

Here is another example:
Lets say your align,kontroics,hobbywing,msh, there is no reason why they could not write an app to reside on the radio like 18MZ/18SZ to fully configure there device thru SBUS2 or what every there next protocol will be.

Leverage the Futaba Raido like 18MZ as radio communication platform for 3rd party application.

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03-31-2017 04:01 AM  7 months agoPost 9
Ace Dude

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Well look at vControl radio, entrie setup can be done accept registration and firmware upgrade.
But it only supports one FBL unit.
Now I will agree BT app to setup a gyro are very nice. Align had it for few years working with IOS, starting with GPRO. But you still need to land change values. Now for example you want pre-comp. Its much easier to do it flight.
Personal I had issues using BT on the field. I had few occasions where either the settings did not get saved (Align,mr690,mr25,150x) or for example on iKon2 i had a hot startup and the 470 almost hit me.
Sounds like a poor implementation. When designing such a system you need to engineer in safety.
I know not all variables can be dynamical configure but the ones you can they should be an radio interface.
Yes, that would be nice.
Opensource

Look at what Align has been doing.
For example both mr25x and 150x both at run BLheli for controlling ESC. I think the best and easy case look at is 150 tail vs 150X tail.
Will have to take a look.
Opensource does not mean the manufacture has no control on firmware. Its way of leveraging 100's of developers for enhance your product and have the internal team bring into main line. (good example is 3d printing community)
If the manufacturer maintains control it's not true open source. The reason they have 100s of developers is because there are millions of devices out there. No so in the RC industry. Like many things in life you get what you pay for. There's already an open source radio out there. IMHO interest in it has been minimal at best.
Here is what i would like Futaba to consider:
1) Use OS like Android
2) Have a API interface for Android Apps to utilize radio events and sending / receiving messages between app and its endpoints
The current platform could probably support an API. The current platform could probably support those features if they were developed.
For example I been kicking back and forth a product for controlling cameras on gimbals. So internal app on the radio utilizing 2 way communication to a device which would then control functionality on DLSR/MIRRORLESS cameras like my Sony a7rii .
Sounds like something you could develop yourself using currently available technology.
Here is another example:
Lets say your align,kontroics,hobbywing,msh, there is no reason why they could not write an app to reside on the radio like 18MZ/18SZ to fully configure there device thru SBUS2 or what every there next protocol will be.
Doable, but you need to ask yourself what's the benefit to radio manufacturer. Supporting third party devices with no governing standards body can become a support nightmare. Some ESCs are quite easy to setup so what's the real benefit?
Leverage the Futaba Raido like 18MZ as radio communication platform for 3rd party application.
Why? That seems like a pretty expensive platform to move some data. Why not look at XBee or something similar to move data for a specialized application.

  

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