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03-31-2017 01:26 AM  7 months agoPost 21
RM3

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with the loss of two motors... on a quad, with a human payload?.... gently spinning to the ground is a relative term.... a plane that looses a wing does the same thing "technically speaking"

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03-31-2017 01:40 AM  7 months agoPost 22
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Just google it. It may be possible, argue with them. Work is being done on this technology. Fly it till it hits the ground.

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03-31-2017 03:18 AM  7 months agoPost 23
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I've seen the videos your talking about. Dude clips the rotors off of one motor and it still flies by spinning the whole craft.

So yeah I guess you're right,
With the proper autopilot it could get you down in one piece.

I'm not certain a human pilot could land it like that. Which I suppose is redundant since it will have to have an automated system available.

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03-31-2017 03:22 AM  7 months agoPost 24
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Yeah I know failure should be predicable.

I proposed that as a flybarless system feature. By comparing past and current performance levels and factoring in basic weather report info.

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03-31-2017 02:08 PM  7 months agoPost 25
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Dude clips the rotors off of one motor and it still flies by spinning the whole craft.
well looked it up... spinning quite nicely.... as long as it lands on soft, flat ground... now put a big ol redneck in there and see how well it handles the load

now lets add trees, buildings, street lighting, ground vehicles, other flying craft beneath it, oh and i dunno... people on the ground... lets see how well they deal with the remaining salad shooters spinning around in circles once they come into contact with the mentioned items prior to "landing".

my problem with the whole thing is rather simple... take away the automation and it does not have a fail safe, take away a single rotor, and you now have not only taken away alot of lift capability but a also a significant amount of control. keep in mind that in a spinning craft, not everyone inside is going to stay in the middle either, the payload will likely shift to one side, further exacerbating the stability issue.

the tiny mosquito heli is still better... and requires no automation to function.
look at this ridiculous thing... and a tiny helicopter is less complicated electronicly than this AND takes up less "rotor" space. AND yet they act like they creted a new form of flight

Watch at YouTube

the only other form of transportation that I have ever seen to prove itself under fully automated conditions that has a proven fail-safe is... an elevator

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03-31-2017 03:06 PM  7 months agoPost 26
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We can't do it, because it has never been done before.

Can't get over your negativity. It is going to happen whether you like it or not.

Every time a plane hits the ground in a crash, everything you describe in the MR crash will happen. So what is the difference?

The technology is electric motors and integrated circuits. Not exactly new stuff there. Redundancy should suppress all of your issues, except fear of fear.

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03-31-2017 04:33 PM  7 months agoPost 27
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what Im saying is that IT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.... the drone is just a new fad... nothing more, its a new mode of flight (four or more fixed pitch rotors vs one collective pitch rotor and tail.) the tiny mosquito personal helicopter can do the same thing... just add servos to the controls and your done... hell the military already has a reconnaissance heli "drone"

yes it will be re-done differently... but the same problems rear their head... safety.

that issue alone will keep this project in test mode for a very long time. we're likely to see self driving cars released to the public before self flying passenger drones... even then the self driving car testing in Austin Texas http://kxan.com/2016/12/13/video-au...iving-car-ride/ is still "in" testing since 2015... googles self driving car has already resulted in crashes due to other drivers... so the system itself is good... its the "other" humans outside that are the problem. and until we con overcome those issues, adding autonomus flight to the long list of issues is going to take at least 2 decades to come to the masses.

we basically have to remove 100% human interaction for the system to work. and putting your life in the hands of a computer is alot to ask for anyone.

Im not negative... more like realistic.

just look at drone delivery... where is it now... still testing...

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03-31-2017 04:45 PM  7 months agoPost 28
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Sorry, don't buy your premise. The system failed because a human caused the problem. Pull the plug.

That is no reason to change course, you cannot prevent every single fatality. As more and more computer driven cars take to the road, it might just get safer and safer. Get Grandpa out of the drivers seat.

We have never had a point to point autonomous (computer controlled) transportation system. We might have one breaking the egg now. two more decades of your "testing" is two decades of waste. I am not saying it is ready for prime time, but I can assure you this; forward thinking countries will have it first.

We have dreamed of it since George Jetson, It could happen if battery technology keeps leaping ahead.

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03-31-2017 05:03 PM  7 months agoPost 29
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I dont really see it being a energy density issue... I see a human nature issue. Automation is after all a human creation... humans are flawed... thereby making automation/technology flawed.

humans also strive for superiority in todays age thats mostly financial ... a crash in one of these at the fault of the automation can nearly guarantee financial superiority for the victim in a court run by flawed humans. that fear alone by the humans hoping to turn a profit from this technology will keep it in testing probably over that of the evolution of better power density technologies

im not a hopeful optimistic romantic when it comes to stuff like this I'll admit... Im more of a realist, and for the most part it has kept me from being disappointed in any progress as far as transportation technology is concerned... case in point: we still burn rocket fuel to get into space... the same technology the Chinese developed 100s of years ago...just scaled up. We still use airfoils to generate lift (wings, rotors, propellers) that mother nature perfected millions of years ago to attain flight or move through the ocean.

wheres the anti-gravity stuff? wheres the Mr fusion from back to the future? why the F$%k have they STILL not found a cure for male baldness in Star trek?

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03-31-2017 08:08 PM  7 months agoPost 30
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Wrong Archie Bunker breath.

Technology is correctable, humans are not. We can wring the bugs out of an automated system, we will never fixed flawed individuals.

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03-31-2017 08:32 PM  7 months agoPost 31
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We can wring the bugs out of an automated system
...at the expense of whom?

and BTW... the name calling is not warranted.

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03-31-2017 08:44 PM  7 months agoPost 32
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I don't know where you get your idea that no one will be harmed in any way. From the beginning of flight, people have died and suffered life changing injuries. So, do I expect tragic incidents? Yes, I do. That does not change the benefits we will all receive by getting vehicles off the roadways. Some lawyer will be chasing the ambulance to squeeze a payment out of the builder.

It would be nice to have these MR personal craft in Atlanta for the next 6 months.
at the expense of whom?
Do I blame Uber for their car getting hit. No, it was not their fault. Even if it is their fault is no reason to shelve the technology. The horse and buggy is not an option.

I would love to have a mini-copter. But that is not an all-weather solution.

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03-31-2017 08:53 PM  7 months agoPost 33
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The horse and buggy is not an option.
buts its environmentally friendly... And I dont recall any Amish getting hurt in a buggy T-bone accident... plus a really smart horse can "autonomously" get you A to B and dont need to be recharged for 6 hours

reminds me of when the Iraqis once stole a pet donkey from a neighboring village they didnt like... strapped a few artillery shells to it and a windup timer set ot trigger 2 hours later at 3am... then let it go... bingo! Iraqs first DBIED (donkey born IED) a fully autonomous self guided bomb that went back to its point of origin with pinpoint accuracy and 100% dependability.
I would love to have a mini-copter. But that is not an all-weather solution.
why not... they have them made with canopys... a little more work and weather proofing the components... my motorcycle works in the rain... me, not so much.

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04-01-2017 04:01 PM  7 months agoPost 34
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Watch at YouTube

This guy is nuts but bad A**!
Be patient and continue watching after the first 60 seconds of him talking. And I do believe this relates to you guys topic about engine failure however all I wanted to know is if any of you have ever flown a Misquito or rotorway??? Haha I could careless about drones or flying cars etc...

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04-01-2017 06:53 PM  7 months agoPost 35
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Well that's the human animal,
We like to talk.

So if someone asks, "have you ever tried rattlesnake meat?"

People are sure to answer,
"I've had ostrich."

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04-01-2017 07:56 PM  7 months agoPost 36
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RM3,you mentioned elevators but left out the escalator,its the only thing that when broke down you can still use. Just becomes stairs.

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04-01-2017 08:00 PM  7 months agoPost 37
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Mitch Hedberg was a comedy King.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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04-01-2017 09:31 PM  7 months agoPost 38
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you mentioned elevators but left out the escalator,its the only thing that when broke down you can still use. Just becomes stairs.
love it,,,even better! its transformational! it breaks and it still functional

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04-01-2017 11:58 PM  7 months agoPost 39
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04-02-2017 02:02 AM  7 months agoPost 40
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"So if someone asks, "have you ever tried rattlesnake meat?""

I answer that I prefer California condors to rattlesnakes, in addition to spotted owls.

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