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01-23-2017 03:28 AM  10 months agoPost 1
EastCoastFlyer

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Watch at YouTube

I'm using a mini vbar and a vcontrol.
Esc is a castle edge lite 50. i have a feeling that there is something happening with the esc but im not 100% sure.

Watch at YouTube

This was from earlier in the year when i noticed the headspeed dropping dramatically when giving full negative pitch. You'll see that the headspeed isn't affected when i'm not at full negative

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01-23-2017 03:38 AM  10 months agoPost 2
Dan Minick

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You notice it both ways (cant take off) now I assume? I would first think battery, but it could very well be an ESC failure. Especially if no settings have been changed. Since you are using Vcontrol you should be able to monitor the throttle output on the screen to make sure its not something the radio/ gov system is outputting.

Your second video was from earlier in the year, did it fix itself? Or has this problem remained?

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01-23-2017 03:53 AM  10 months agoPost 3
EastCoastFlyer

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Yeah it doesn't take off now period. Second video was from earlier in the year and that was the last time i really got to fly it around good as it got too cold. I did have a chance to just hover around a couple months later (obviously it got off the ground) and the thing was rock solid. The first video was from earlier today when i just wanted to hover a bit.

I don't think it has anything to do with the battery as this will happen with all four packs i have.

NOTE: In the second video the head speed only dropped at full negative pitch. The heli responded normal when at just above full neagtive.

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01-23-2017 12:41 PM  10 months agoPost 4
Dan Minick

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I got ya. Other than checking out the throttle output from the radio while trying to fly it I would reload the Castle software in castle link. and possibly even try going back one version. Had you done any recent software updates before you started noticing this?

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01-23-2017 01:16 PM  10 months agoPost 5
EastCoastFlyer

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I have not done any updates to either the castle or the vcontrol. I also forgot to mention that i was flying the thing not even a week previous the second video at a jamboree and it was flying just fine besides a loose tail belt which was easily fixed.

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01-23-2017 02:07 PM  10 months agoPost 6
JuanRodriguez

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Low Voltage Cutoff issue ???

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01-23-2017 02:15 PM  10 months agoPost 7
Pistol Pete

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That ESC has data logging as well. Chances are it will shine some light on your issues.

Given no changes to software or hardware (other than loose belt), all else points to batts.

Do you use a lipo alarm?

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01-23-2017 09:59 PM  10 months agoPost 8
EastCoastFlyer

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I do not use a lipo alarm. I have two pulse 6s 1350 35c packs and two gens ace 6s 1600 40c packs. I use a timer on all my flights. I fly all my packs down to around 3.76ish volts per cell. I'm always watching the cell balance too.

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01-24-2017 12:08 AM  10 months agoPost 9
RAK402

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As Pistol_Pete recommended, I would look at the data logs from the Castle ESC. It does sound like an ESC issue.

It sounds like it is going into low voltage cutoff to me too.

I would also check the soldering connections on the three motor leads, just to make sure.

I have Castle Ice 50's (slightly different versions) on both of my Warps and they have been solid performers for years now.

The belts should be run pretty loose on the Warp-the tail belt should be just tight enough so that they don't skip a tooth when holding the tail rotor with one had and trying to turn the head on the other (the motor belt should be on the loose side too).

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01-25-2017 04:04 AM  10 months agoPost 10
dkshema

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Castle Edge Lite 50. Since you took this out of the package, what have you done with regard to programming or setting it up?

If you don't have the Phoenix link gizmo and the Castle Link software, you're not going to be able to set this thing up correctly for a heli.

If you're still using the factory default settings, the throttle is set up for "auto calibrate" mode. Each time you plug it in, you're required to go to full throttle for a couple of seconds, then back down again so the ESC can figure out where "full" is. This is an airplane-only throttle mode, not really usable for helis. If you try flying a heli in this mode, you'll never get the ESC to behave the same way twice, unless you do the full throttle thing each time you plug in the battery.

As a minimum, you need to select "fixed endpoint" throttle mode and then calibrate your throttle and the ESC to each other.

You will also want to set the current limit to either "insensitive" or "disabled." The default current limit setting is incompatible with heli applications.

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01-25-2017 04:46 AM  10 months agoPost 11
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Have you checked the pitch range to make sure you have positive pitch?

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01-25-2017 01:16 PM  10 months agoPost 12
dkshema

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Is this your first helicopter and do you know the basics of helicopter build and setup? We can't always diagnose problems correctly if we always assume we're dealing with a novice or experienced builder.

If it's acting weird, setup and/or programming problems are the usual suspects.

The Warp is a proven flyer, as are your system components.

Set the ESC up for a heli and calibrate your TX throttle with it.

Make sure your mechanical setup is correct.

Make sure your Vbar is set up properly.

It will fly.

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01-25-2017 03:31 PM  10 months agoPost 13
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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i had this same issue had to calibrate the esc

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02-23-2017 06:59 PM  9 months agoPost 14
EastCoastFlyer

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The entire thing was built and setup by Chris Reibert as i bought it from him. I do remember when we were doing the setup that we had to do a full esc calibration so it would fly.

The video with where it is on the ground is the last time i went to fly it. I had successfully flown it only a couple weeks earlier without any problems.

The other video was at the beginning of September of last year and that was the first time i noticed that the pitch was effecting something. The week before it was flying just fine.

This is not my first heli. i slowly came up through the ranks with all BLades before getting my first "real" heli which was the warp. I now have a golbin 700 and love the thing.

Setup wise i have done quite a bit of it after crashing and setting up helis. Mostly with the ar7200 but i do know how to setup others.

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02-24-2017 11:30 PM  9 months agoPost 15
n8rloves2fly

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Did you find out the problem ?

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02-26-2017 01:17 AM  9 months agoPost 16
EastCoastFlyer

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Met up with mr chris reibert today and we completely wiped, flashed and updated the esc. Also turns out that the esc is an old ice lite 50 and not an edge lite 50 so that might have had something to do with it.

It now flies just fine.

So funny story, when we initially set up the warp we just wanted to get it in the air and flying so we just "eyeballed" all the pitches etc. The plan was to come back and fully tune it later when i did a bunch of flying with it. After doing the esc today we went and did a quick pitch setup and found some VERY interesting things. Positive pitch is normally in the 12 degree range, mine was 15. Negative is normally the same as positive, bout 12 degrees, mine was a massive -18. Sooooooooo this might have had a great influence on the esc lol.

Lets hope that nothing else happens that will keep it grounded.
Thank you to everyone for the advice and trouble shooting.

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02-26-2017 04:15 PM  9 months agoPost 17
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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pitch has anything to do with the esc

18 degrees of pitch the tail might not have held very good

congrats and good luck pilot.

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02-27-2017 12:54 AM  9 months agoPost 18
JuanRodriguez

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glad you got things sorted....

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02-27-2017 08:37 PM  9 months agoPost 19
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so we just "eyeballed" all the pitches
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