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02-10-2017 07:07 PM  4 months agoPost 41
darkfa8

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Sorta in response to Marty's comments: The consumer culture has changed. The ADD culture has been fueled by the mass consumers' desire for instant gratification. Unlike olden days, now with smartphones nearly everyone can participate in instantaneous gratification at any time, any where.

Culture will certainly change. To what, nobody really knows. Nonetheless, the hobby industry has never really been great at marketing itself in an effective way. While there are more marketing channels then ever, it's become increasingly complicated, competitive and in most cases costly to generate marketing ROI. Few RC industry entities have the talent and/or budget to make a go at it.

Like was said on recent episodes of PBS's Sherlock when trying to make sense of the state of things, "it is what it is".

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02-10-2017 08:55 PM  4 months agoPost 42
banshee rider

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Now, if you want to try something new when you're not flying pod and boom, assemble your own AR-15 rifle. Learn to process brass and reload. Learn to cast "boolits" as they are called in that hobby and stamp your own gas checks. There is a lot to learn and the rewards are great
I have to respectfully disagree
Reloading is about as interesting as watching paint dry for me
I did it for 5 years saved a lot of money no doubt about that
but I just hated doing it

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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02-10-2017 11:03 PM  4 months agoPost 43
Cra-Z-1

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Geez...before long we'll all be too lazy to even get out of bed in the morning. Guess I don't really get the need for insta-grat. A hobby is supposed to be something you enjoy doing/learning in your free time.

If it isn't worth more than that then there is no hope in the first place.

Ban the Ban.

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02-11-2017 12:32 AM  4 months agoPost 44
tommytt1

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I've noticed more familiar names coming back to the forums. I'll bet the site traffic has gone up by a lot.

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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02-11-2017 01:25 PM  4 months agoPost 45
rpat

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I've noticed more familiar names coming back to the forums. I'll bet the site traffic has gone up by a lot.

Not really,
I get on here every morning and the main discussion page the same threads have been on page 1 for about a month. years ago the first page would turn over in about three or four days. You don't even see the ads page on the side bar anymore. Times they are a changing.

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02-11-2017 03:22 PM  4 months agoPost 46
Four Stroker

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When I got into the RC hobby many years ago, there were maybe 1000 TX's sold in the USA each year. You could call the manufacturer and have a switch mounted in a different place. Mode I or Mode II. They were hand made. All hobby stuff was manufactured on the side by guys with a plastic molding, aluminum casting, machine shop, electronics (through hole parts and a bunch of women with soldering irons), business. Many of these were not for profit. The owner just wanted to do it.

In a town of 60,000 we could barely find 10 RC pilots.

Unfortunately, all RC stuff is manufactured now for a profit. When the profit goes away so does the company.

A $1000 transmitter in 1965 is not as good as a $300 transmitter today. If you factor in inflation you get $5000 to $300. This is why poor people like me flew single channel or galloping ghost. And $130 x 500% = $650 was a lot of money for a kid to come up with.

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02-11-2017 05:45 PM  4 months agoPost 47
FenderBean

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I think a lot has to do with the technology, I don't think it's so much wanting instant gratification. I started out building from boxes of balsa and I didn't enjoy building them as much as I do now. If I would have had the Arf stuff of today back then it would have made the hobby more enjoyable. Back in those days ARFs didn't mean quality. As for helis the only thing that has really changed from then to now is slight design,electronics and blade building/balancing. It's like tv now, I download all my tv shows and movies to store in my library and I can get a new episode the same day in HD with no commercials. The result of this has made it impossible to watch live tv due hating commercials. To say I would rather have tv with commercial like 30 years ago is a complete lie, if I could have the things I do now 30 years ago I would. Technology does make some lazy or easier but that's just because we didn't have it in our day. What I don't like about the hobby is the lack of interest in learning your craft. I saw this a lot in helis during the big boom of poplarity, folks would live on the computer simulator and learn mad skills but couldn't even tune their own engine or setup the heli. I guess that can be the instant gratification but eventually even those type of folks would have to learn because people just get sick of helping someone who doesn't care to learn for themselves. Okay I'm done lol sorry folks sitting here waiting on my son to finish

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02-13-2017 07:32 PM  4 months agoPost 48
Heli_Splatter

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Hobbico Having Trouble Paying Stockholders.

Hobbico has laid off over 200 employees since 2011. Hard to get any real statistics on this subject. The US hobby industry is certainly not healthy. A lot of product is bought directly from China.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/lo...ex-workers.html

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02-13-2017 08:32 PM  4 months agoPost 49
tommytt1

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A lot of product is bought directly from China.
You hit the nail on the head.

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02-21-2017 04:19 AM  4 months agoPost 50
chicken

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Trying not to be long winded but there's a lot of blame to be had. 1) the individual person: reaching out to teach someone to build/ people not interested in building 2) most clubs around me are pro airplane & not interested in teaching others to fly/ have no interest in heli's
3) Support of the hobby stores that did carry heli products
4) Though the technology is great if you can't pair up with someone who knows about it, it's frustrating, time consuming, makes you feel like a fool & becomes very costly
5) And I'll finish with this: Even the A.M.A doesn't showcase the rc helicopters Never a build series on any models Never any details or how to's on heli specific products such as Flybarless controllers such as Beast x, V-bars icons & others.
Esc setups nothing, even the writer for that column who's name escapes me barely mentions anything that seems like he's even excited about.
And to the writer I'm not doubting your commitment but as a A.M.A member since 2006 it's been far & few and the heli column seems to drift farther to the back of the magazine.

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02-21-2017 03:17 PM  4 months agoPost 51
fastrc1

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Chicken Agreed on 1-4. In AMA's defense however; they also understand that there are Helicopter specific publications/videos that address those topics directly. Also the majority of AMA members are the Airplane guys and gals. Like everything else there's a matter of we'll print what the majority is interested in. Now with that being said, you need only, and meaning collectively; all of us contact AMA as you would your Senators and Congressmen n Women and demand that you would like to see more content regarding our specific end of things. This is how a few words turn into a few well read pages. Also, how many persons on these very pages are willing to get there arses in gear and host local helicopter events and invite the world to attend or attend and support ones that you can reasonably get to? If we want more exposure then we need to expose ourselves. My club in Planet Brooklyn NY hosts 3-5 events every year. I have also offered other clubs my services to help them get something going in there neck of the woods. There response has been "yeah we'll see", and that's pretty much been the end of it. Now how can you get to the top or be recognized if you won't even get out of bed. JMHO. If anyone is in the NY,NJ,CT,PA area or anywhere else for that matter and is attending AMA expo East this weekend please stop by the IRCHA Booth and make your concerns known and introduce yourself to me. I'll be there Friday n Saturday n maybe Sunday too.

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02-21-2017 03:43 PM  4 months agoPost 52
Ace Dude

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Trying not to be long winded but there's a lot of blame to be had. 1) the individual person: reaching out to teach someone to build/ people not interested in building 2) most clubs around me are pro airplane & not interested in teaching others to fly/ have no interest in heli's
3) Support of the hobby stores that did carry heli products
4) Though the technology is great if you can't pair up with someone who knows about it, it's frustrating, time consuming, makes you feel like a fool & becomes very costly
5) And I'll finish with this: Even the A.M.A doesn't showcase the rc helicopters Never a build series on any models Never any details or how to's on heli specific products such as Flybarless controllers such as Beast x, V-bars icons & others.
Esc setups nothing, even the writer for that column who's name escapes me barely mentions anything that seems like he's even excited about.
And to the writer I'm not doubting your commitment but as a A.M.A member since 2006 it's been far & few and the heli column seems to drift farther to the back of the magazine.
So you're saying the problem is always with someone or something else?

  

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02-21-2017 04:46 PM  4 months agoPost 53
Dee Flies 3D

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Will just throw this onto the pile.... Depends on what you definition of 'HOBBY' is.
Lots of the 'Old School' types still see the 'Hobby' as none of the Pre-boxed, Pre-fab ready to go, 'Just add Water (OR Batteries)' plug & play items. If you can Design/Build/Test yourself & still tinker/tweak, then you will see the Hobby as Dead.
When I took my 1st RC Electric plane into a LHS for motor assistance 20 years ago, the guy was blown away that i scratch-built the airframe, stick & tissue. He said back then that "This was a LOST ART".
If you make parts/modify an RC Heli, it's a "Franken-Machine, but when we were flying/trying Revolutions, Crickets, Heli-Babys, it was the NORM... We shared what we did to make machines fly Better, not depending on the Manuf got 'upgrades'. HECH - most Manuf back then were using the local pilots AS R&D for improvements.
If you go the Pre-boxed, Pre-fab ready to go, 'Just add Water (OR Batteries)' way, then the 'Hobby' don't seem dead, just ChAnGiNg, to whatever is popular @ the time.
I will keep going with the 'Old School' methods, till I can't get supplies anymore, and Enjoy it..

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02-21-2017 05:01 PM  4 months agoPost 54
Richardmid1

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RC hobby is alive and well, RC helis on the other hand are fading away and quads/fpv racing is the new fix! There's lots of things to tweak with them and you can build your own, there's also lots of new manoeuvres to learn and flying through and round obstacles requires lots of precision. Flying line of sight like you do a heli is kind of boring although the roll and flip rates are insane as are the punch outs, much faster than a heli!

By the way I still love helis but things went down hill for helis as soon as FBL took hold, then you just had an electronic toy that anyone could build and fly!

If FPV didn't exist the hobby really would be dead!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-21-2017 11:29 PM  4 months agoPost 55
classic

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There were people on the Titanic who insisted it couldn't sink, even after it had already hit the iceburg??

Sorry fellas, the hobby is sinking, just a sad fact of life.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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02-22-2017 12:51 AM  4 months agoPost 56
fastrc1

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Richard I can agree with your first paragraph. The second one absolutely not. I don't think anyone can simply build and slap a FBL controller in a copter n go Blazing. It ain't gonna happen.

Eaton

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02-22-2017 02:07 AM  4 months agoPost 57
revmix

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r/c sUAS ain't disappearing into thin air
hobby 101.41 user's registration 616,000
business 107 Remote Pilot license 325,000
end of last year & counting

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02-22-2017 06:21 AM  4 months agoPost 58
PaulBowen

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I now don't really see the worry. I love helicopters and will continue to do what I've always done. I fly them nearly every day.

UAS, Multicopters, FPV are all part of a completely different hobby and can stay that way as far as I'm concerned. They are not helicopters. Those who move on were mostly not real helicopter enthusiasts anyway. If you think flying circuits is boring then maybe this isn't a suitable pass time for you? Many others to choose from.

We have quite a good and interesting choice of models to choose from and the market was previously well and truly saturated. Less brands will help the existing makers remain strong and viable.

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02-22-2017 02:50 PM  4 months agoPost 59
Heli_Splatter

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I am probably one of the few to own and enjoy all aspects of flight. Gliders, Aerobatic Planes, Scale War Birds, Helicopters, and multi-rotors.

The hobby consists of more than flying. I build, create and repair my aircraft. I have lathes, milling machines and many other power tools. I love the electronics and programming the radios. I have a ham license. I am really into video photography and gimbals. There you can see I am a tech all the way.

I love flying because I can paint the canvas with my aircraft. I really wish the new guys had the patience to slow down and learn the hobby. There is certainly a lot more than unboxing and flying.

Sadly, this hobby is not ever going to be huge again. Restrictions on places to fly and people worried about safety and personal surveillance rights will never allow this hobby to be what it could be before we stopped trusting each other to do the right thing.

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02-22-2017 08:26 PM  4 months agoPost 60
EEngineer

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"This is why poor people like me flew single channel or galloping ghost."

I thought you used to fly control-line....

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